How old is too young?

JH6056

tbergs said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

Yeah, you just have to refrain from responding sometimes because it's just not worth it to argue with some random person on a Pearl Jam forum. The self righteousness here is only a fraction of the glorified assholeness that you get on the train. 

Whoa, tbergs, harsh!  Come on man, you've never had strong words on the train?  Jesus man, lighten up.  Everybody has opinions or even  sometimes get emotional or vociferous about those opinions, but it's cool.  I think most people on these boards seem like pretty good people, even the ones I strongly disagree with. And the super obnoxious big-time assholes eventually go away or get banned anyway.  Give your fellow PJ fan a bit more credit, maybe?

I shouldn't have contributed to the negativity. I was taking a poke at what dreams for something she said to me awhile back. My point is, if you're going to blanket label a bunch of people as self-righteous assholes you should be a little more aware of how you've interacted with others in the past. I understand it was a heated response to someone else and I probably shouldn't have piled on. My bad.

My bad as well. I meant that there are definitely people who purposely demean and belittle others for either opposing their view or saying something they believe to be inaccurate and that's not ok.

Honestly, when I first took a ride on the train, I made some snark comments at others who purposely seemed to be trolling or poking the bear per say, but I don't get into anymore because it's just not worth it. We all have our tipping point, as you know. There is a lot of divisive nay saying that occurs and I just don't understand why people think it's ok to be an a-hole because they're being challenged. Expect to be called out on it and if it's a misunderstanding it's easy enough to correct because it's not always easy to figure out tone, intent and context on here. People can be heated and passionate about their stance or opinion without being rude and disrespectful.

I think JH has been a prime example of how questioning or disagreeing with someone can be done respectfully. You, Brian, are also another good example of someone who maintains respect and I for one appreciate that.

Anyway, back on track with kids and concerts.

Thank you, I actually really appreciate you saying that.  I learned a long time ago that lashing out emotionally because you disagree with someone - even when they're being a jerk or literally attacking you - is still always going to be a losing battle.  Stick with what is said, why you agree/disagree, and try hard to talk to others the way you want to be spoken to.  Thanks for noticing.  I find most people here to operate in the same way, just some exceptions. (I've never been on Train, and now maybe never will LOL!)

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Speaking of rock shows in general:

I said I was done here BUT (haha) I do have one other thought and that is for all age venues, what about a family only section?  I know, some of you will scream at me for even suggesting this but really, why not?  In fact, I would go with three sections:  mosh pit, family pit, adult non-mosh pit.  That way the adults in the crowd who don't want to be with the kiddies and just want to be with other adults doing their adult things like getting high, slam dancing, screaming obscenities, puking, bleeding and causing general mayhem, can do so.  Too much trouble?  Then leave the little ones with the babysitter.

I love the kids in my life and I do lots of great and cool things with them but I just don't get why some of you want to take your kid to a rock show.  Why can't there be activities simply geared for adults anymore?  I don't get that.  Jeez, let the adults do their thing and let the kids be kids for a while already. 

I'll ask again: who says all rock shows are geared to adults? who made that rule? and for most of us, this isn't "I'm forcing my kid to go see my favourite band". She figured out what it is I do, and she wanted to check it out and be a part of it. I waited two years and for the right band to come around to let it happen. Now finally the begging has stopped! Why would I deny my daughter the experience of live music?

If we all took into account all the people that didn't want kids around at various venues or events, we'd never leave the house. 

there are plenty of activities geared for just adults. adults are more than welcome to go to those if they having kids around ruins their time. 

there's a great bit by Louis CK about this sort of thing. He's on a plane with his baby. his baby is fussy and crying. There's someone a few seats ahead of him that keeps looking back at him disgusted with a "well, could ya do something?" look on his face. So Louis mock-strangles the kid, and presents it to the annoyed person. it was priceless. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Speaking of rock shows in general:

I said I was done here BUT (haha) I do have one other thought and that is for all age venues, what about a family only section?  I know, some of you will scream at me for even suggesting this but really, why not?  In fact, I would go with three sections:  mosh pit, family pit, adult non-mosh pit.  That way the adults in the crowd who don't want to be with the kiddies and just want to be with other adults doing their adult things like getting high, slam dancing, screaming obscenities, puking, bleeding and causing general mayhem, can do so.  Too much trouble?  Then leave the little ones with the babysitter.

I love the kids in my life and I do lots of great and cool things with them but I just don't get why some of you want to take your kid to a rock show.  Why can't there be activities simply geared for adults anymore?  I don't get that.  Jeez, let the adults do their thing and let the kids be kids for a while already. 

I'll ask again: who says all rock shows are geared to adults? who made that rule? and for most of us, this isn't "I'm forcing my kid to go see my favourite band". She figured out what it is I do, and she wanted to check it out and be a part of it. I waited two years and for the right band to come around to let it happen. Now finally the begging has stopped! Why would I deny my daughter the experience of live music?

If we all took into account all the people that didn't want kids around at various venues or events, we'd never leave the house. 

there are plenty of activities geared for just adults. adults are more than welcome to go to those if they having kids around ruins their time. 

there's a great bit by Louis CK about this sort of thing. He's on a plane with his baby. his baby is fussy and crying. There's someone a few seats ahead of him that keeps looking back at him disgusted with a "well, could ya do something?" look on his face. So Louis mock-strangles the kid, and presents it to the annoyed person. it was priceless. 

HughFreakingDillon

JH6056 said:

brianlux said:

Speaking of rock shows in general:

I said I was done here BUT (haha) I do have one other thought and that is for all age venues, what about a family only section?  I know, some of you will scream at me for even suggesting this but really, why not?  In fact, I would go with three sections:  mosh pit, family pit, adult non-mosh pit.  That way the adults in the crowd who don't want to be with the kiddies and just want to be with other adults doing their adult things like getting high, slam dancing, screaming obscenities, puking, bleeding and causing general mayhem, can do so.  Too much trouble?  Then leave the little ones with the babysitter.

I love the kids in my life and I do lots of great and cool things with them but I just don't get why some of you want to take your kid to a rock show.  Why can't there be activities simply geared for adults anymore?  I don't get that.  Jeez, let the adults do their thing and let the kids be kids for a while already. 

Aaaah Brian... one day you'll understand that with kids, there's no such thing as not letting them be kids!  Unless you make them babysit their younger siblings instead of playing on their own, they are really kids no matter where you take them.  And good luck with the family-only section.  I can imagine several challenges with making that happen, but hey, if the seats are great, sign me up since I'm too old for the mosh pit anyway!

I really liked being in the "family zone" (no alcohol) at football games. it really makes a difference in the atmosphere. 

cp3iverson

Its kind of heartwarming.   4 yr olds and 44 yr olds both asking for the same sticker

HughFreakingDillon

cp3iverson said:

Its kind of heartwarming.   4 yr olds and 44 yr olds both asking for the same sticker

"here, sweetie, buy this one, ten of them, and when we get home, I'll teach you how to flip them on ebay!"

MayDay10

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

F Me In The Brain

jeffbr

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

True, but Ed enables it, unfortunately. At some point the mosh pit will become the nursery, and the adults can sit up in the seats with their adult beverages. Ed will eventually switch from his wine bottles to Pedialyte bottles, and pass them down to the pit. 

MayDay10

there will be a Kiss Cam during the encore break 1, and they will show a blooper reel to Yakity Sax early on instead of ed "talking".

PJ_Soul

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

Is that real?!? If so, those parents should be ashamed of themselves, lol. I feel bad for the kids. They probably didn't realize how embarrassing that is.

WhatYouTaughtMe

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

Is that real?!? If so, those parents should be ashamed of themselves, lol. I feel bad for the kids. They probably didn't realize how embarrassing that is.

I'm sure the kids would realize how embarrassing it is to have a photo of their family posted on the internet and made fun of. Bad form by the parents, but also bad form shaming a family online that might even be here.

Amongst the Ani

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

Is that real?!? If so, those parents should be ashamed of themselves, lol. I feel bad for the kids. They probably didn't realize how embarrassing that is.

Wob was cuter and probably got that sweet tambo.
@Wobbie
@Empty Glass

PJ_Soul

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

Is that real?!? If so, those parents should be ashamed of themselves, lol. I feel bad for the kids. They probably didn't realize how embarrassing that is.

I'm sure the kids would realize how embarrassing it is to have a photo of their family posted on the internet and made fun of. Bad form by the parents, but also bad form shaming a family online that might even be here.

Well they were first filmed on the giant screen and shown to an arena full of people, lol. And they look pretty pleased about it too! The parents are to blame, no one else.

JH6056

jeffbr said:

True, but Ed enables it, unfortunately. At some point the mosh pit will become the nursery, and the adults can sit up in the seats with their adult beverages. Ed will eventually switch from his wine bottles to Pedialyte bottles, and pass them down to the pit. 

No on the pedialyte - he already passes the wine bottle to underage folks.  He'll pass out jello shots made with moonshine at the "bring your baby" show.

WhatYouTaughtMe

PJ_Soul said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

Is that real?!? If so, those parents should be ashamed of themselves, lol. I feel bad for the kids. They probably didn't realize how embarrassing that is.

I'm sure the kids would realize how embarrassing it is to have a photo of their family posted on the internet and made fun of. Bad form by the parents, but also bad form shaming a family online that might even be here.

Well they were first filmed on the giant screen and shown to an arena full of people, lol. And they look pretty pleased about it too! The parents are to blame, no one else.

Yeah I get that. I understand there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public and there is always a chance of being filmed somewhere. I'm just curious how many people here would be weirded out if they were out in public and someone snapped a photo of you and your children because you looked funny and then posted it online. Is that what the norm is these days?  I find it odd and I certainly wouldn't do it. Even if the parents are overzealous, the kids likely didn't have much to do with it. They obviously had decent seats and could be ten clubbers. They could even be on here. Would you be happy if someone snapped a photo of you and your family maybe not in your finest moment, then posted it on here for everyone to mock? I sure wouldn't. Maybe I'm strange.

For the record - I do think it's silly that parents would do that, but it's not the kids fault. 

F Me In The Brain

Amongst the Ani said:

PJ_Soul said:

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

Is that real?!? If so, those parents should be ashamed of themselves, lol. I feel bad for the kids. They probably didn't realize how embarrassing that is.

Wob was cuter and probably got that sweet tambo.
@Wobbie
@Empty Glass

Wobbie as both of the kids is surely a candidate for Top 10 "Ten Club Photoshop Efforts"
The city of Toronto lived through Mayor Ford -- it can live through Wobbie begging for a Tambo @ his 'first show'

helplessdancer

MayDay10 said:

shecky said:

Low point for our fan base

this thread is about tambourines. i knew it.

HesCalledDyer

Is that Skyler White?

tbergs

HesCalledDyer said:

Is that Skyler White?

Haha! Looks like Holly grew up fast and that Skyler picked up a man with an older son.