Multiple Fatalities- Ariana Grande Concert
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Don't claim omnipotence if you can't back it up!tbergs said:
Why should it be god's or any other higher beings responsibility to play puppet master? I think it's ridiculous for human beings to look at the atrocities that occur in our world and then use that as a reason to proclaim there is no god. That's sidestepping responsibility on our part. I don't see a god so it doesn't exist. Well, anyone here see an atom around them?rgambs said:
Sounds like a weak attempt to sidestep God's responsibility.tbergs said:
There's more options than that. Free will; the best and worst gift humans were given. If we wish to destroy ourselves, so be it. That's not proof or disproof of god.rgambs said:
It shouldn't be necessary. At all.riley540 said:It's impossible to prove, ot disprove god.
Any God worth his salt would say, "Dudes, what the fuck is up with the war and the rape and the murder, the starving children, the terrorism, and the poverty?? Get your shit together!"
The fact that God hasn't done so is proof. Proof that God doesn't exist, or proof that if God exists, God is shitty.
"It's all part of my infinite plan.
Except if it sucks, then it's human free will.
Oh yeah, concerning that, I'm giving you free will as an option to torture each other in every conceivable way, and I know you will use it to do just that. Not my fault, your the one with the free will."
Think of it this way, you raise your children to be good responsible and kind individuals, but they still won't always make the right choice or do the right thing, even if you helicopter parent and then even less so. Is that god's fault because they are allowed free thought?
Imagine a god that didn't allow free will, everything you did or said was controlled and measured to an extent to achieve a certain result. Sounds a lot like a dictator, which no one here likes. I guess if we were mindless zombies then there would never be any issues, but you wouldn't know the difference because you wouldn't be allowed to think. Happiness would ensue worldwide.
Didn't mean to take this to a god conversation, but I think it's important to recognize that without happy we wouldn't know sad. Atrocity is a necessary evil that I wish upon no one, but it serves a purpose.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
My favourite question.
If god is omnipotent can he create a stone that he cannot lift?0 -
Well, if you believe the bible, that happened about 2000 years ago, but my past lives' memories escape me and I don't know how accurate the written accounts are. Can't dispute it either way, but that's part of the challenge. You either have the faith or you don't. I have faith of a higher power, but question its historical identity and origin.rgambs said:
Don't claim omnipotence if you can't back it up!tbergs said:
Why should it be god's or any other higher beings responsibility to play puppet master? I think it's ridiculous for human beings to look at the atrocities that occur in our world and then use that as a reason to proclaim there is no god. That's sidestepping responsibility on our part. I don't see a god so it doesn't exist. Well, anyone here see an atom around them?rgambs said:
Sounds like a weak attempt to sidestep God's responsibility.tbergs said:
There's more options than that. Free will; the best and worst gift humans were given. If we wish to destroy ourselves, so be it. That's not proof or disproof of god.rgambs said:
It shouldn't be necessary. At all.riley540 said:It's impossible to prove, ot disprove god.
Any God worth his salt would say, "Dudes, what the fuck is up with the war and the rape and the murder, the starving children, the terrorism, and the poverty?? Get your shit together!"
The fact that God hasn't done so is proof. Proof that God doesn't exist, or proof that if God exists, God is shitty.
"It's all part of my infinite plan.
Except if it sucks, then it's human free will.
Oh yeah, concerning that, I'm giving you free will as an option to torture each other in every conceivable way, and I know you will use it to do just that. Not my fault, your the one with the free will."
Think of it this way, you raise your children to be good responsible and kind individuals, but they still won't always make the right choice or do the right thing, even if you helicopter parent and then even less so. Is that god's fault because they are allowed free thought?
Imagine a god that didn't allow free will, everything you did or said was controlled and measured to an extent to achieve a certain result. Sounds a lot like a dictator, which no one here likes. I guess if we were mindless zombies then there would never be any issues, but you wouldn't know the difference because you wouldn't be allowed to think. Happiness would ensue worldwide.
Didn't mean to take this to a god conversation, but I think it's important to recognize that without happy we wouldn't know sad. Atrocity is a necessary evil that I wish upon no one, but it serves a purpose.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Schrodinger would like to have a word with youPJfanwillneverleave1 said:My favourite question.
If god is omnipotent can he create a stone that he cannot lift?0 -
I'll go back to this argument again. For the most part parents have children that they want to be decent human beings, but it doesn't always happen because they only have the ability to create life. Why can't the same be true of a god? They create life, but can't dictate how that life is lived or how it acts because we are born with our own thoughts and minds.PJ_Soul said:I think all the other terrible things that happen to people and animals is part of an argument against God. The things that aren't atrocities determined by free will. Drought, famine, horrible disease, devastating natural disasters, human nature ... Seriously, I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in God doesn't hate his guts.
As I've said, I don't specifically believe in god, but a higher being, and I don't blame it for the shitty actions of humans. That's on us to figure out.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
well, then why did he kill everyone except noah and all the animals that one time? i thought he was a live and let live type of deity.tbergs said:
Why should it be god's or any other higher beings responsibility to play puppet master? I think it's ridiculous for human beings to look at the atrocities that occur in our world and then use that as a reason to proclaim there is no god. That's sidestepping responsibility on our part. I don't see a god so it doesn't exist. Well, anyone here see an atom around them?rgambs said:
Sounds like a weak attempt to sidestep God's responsibility.tbergs said:
There's more options than that. Free will; the best and worst gift humans were given. If we wish to destroy ourselves, so be it. That's not proof or disproof of god.rgambs said:
It shouldn't be necessary. At all.riley540 said:It's impossible to prove, ot disprove god.
Any God worth his salt would say, "Dudes, what the fuck is up with the war and the rape and the murder, the starving children, the terrorism, and the poverty?? Get your shit together!"
The fact that God hasn't done so is proof. Proof that God doesn't exist, or proof that if God exists, God is shitty.
"It's all part of my infinite plan.
Except if it sucks, then it's human free will.
Oh yeah, concerning that, I'm giving you free will as an option to torture each other in every conceivable way, and I know you will use it to do just that. Not my fault, your the one with the free will."
Think of it this way, you raise your children to be good responsible and kind individuals, but they still won't always make the right choice or do the right thing, even if you helicopter parent and then even less so. Is that god's fault because they are allowed free thought?
Imagine a god that didn't allow free will, everything you did or said was controlled and measured to an extent to achieve a certain result. Sounds a lot like a dictator, which no one here likes. I guess if we were mindless zombies then there would never be any issues, but you wouldn't know the difference because you wouldn't be allowed to think. Happiness would ensue worldwide.
Didn't mean to take this to a god conversation, but I think it's important to recognize that without happy we wouldn't know sad. Atrocity is a necessary evil that I wish upon no one, but it serves a purpose.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
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Didn't mean to take this to a god conversation? What did you think would happen?
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I'm not a purveyor of the biblical story because I don't believe in any religion's god narrative; just that there is a higher being.HughFreakingDillon said:
well, then why did he kill everyone except noah and all the animals that one time? i thought he was a live and let live type of deity.tbergs said:
Why should it be god's or any other higher beings responsibility to play puppet master? I think it's ridiculous for human beings to look at the atrocities that occur in our world and then use that as a reason to proclaim there is no god. That's sidestepping responsibility on our part. I don't see a god so it doesn't exist. Well, anyone here see an atom around them?rgambs said:
Sounds like a weak attempt to sidestep God's responsibility.tbergs said:
There's more options than that. Free will; the best and worst gift humans were given. If we wish to destroy ourselves, so be it. That's not proof or disproof of god.rgambs said:
It shouldn't be necessary. At all.riley540 said:It's impossible to prove, ot disprove god.
Any God worth his salt would say, "Dudes, what the fuck is up with the war and the rape and the murder, the starving children, the terrorism, and the poverty?? Get your shit together!"
The fact that God hasn't done so is proof. Proof that God doesn't exist, or proof that if God exists, God is shitty.
"It's all part of my infinite plan.
Except if it sucks, then it's human free will.
Oh yeah, concerning that, I'm giving you free will as an option to torture each other in every conceivable way, and I know you will use it to do just that. Not my fault, your the one with the free will."
Think of it this way, you raise your children to be good responsible and kind individuals, but they still won't always make the right choice or do the right thing, even if you helicopter parent and then even less so. Is that god's fault because they are allowed free thought?
Imagine a god that didn't allow free will, everything you did or said was controlled and measured to an extent to achieve a certain result. Sounds a lot like a dictator, which no one here likes. I guess if we were mindless zombies then there would never be any issues, but you wouldn't know the difference because you wouldn't be allowed to think. Happiness would ensue worldwide.
Didn't mean to take this to a god conversation, but I think it's important to recognize that without happy we wouldn't know sad. Atrocity is a necessary evil that I wish upon no one, but it serves a purpose.
If we're taking about the Noah story, well we'd already been around for thousands of years, much longer than it has been since the proclaimed event in historical terms, so whose to say it can't happen again if that's a true story. Or we all go the way of the dinosaur. Either way I won't be there in my current incarnation so none of this will matter in the end. Life is infinite in some form or another and nothing we do will change that.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
These terrible terrist attacks bring out the best & worst in people.
There were homeless people near the venue that came out of the woodwork to help some of the victims. Wiping off blood, and pulling nails out of people, making tourniquets out of a piece of cloth or whatever piece of clothing they were wearing. There is a good spirit in some people that cannot be conquered.
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RYME said:These terrible terrist attacks bring out the best & worst in people.
There were homeless people near the venue that came out of the woodwork to help some of the victims. Wiping off blood, and pulling nails out of people, making tourniquets out of a piece of cloth or whatever piece of clothing they were wearing. There is a good spirit in some people that cannot be conquered.
There is no magical man/woman (to be politically correct) in the sky that made them do these kind acts.0 -
Maybe this is what that guy who brought up the pussy hats was going on about?
http://www.salon.com/2017/05/24/nra-tv-says-the-manchester-bombing-happened-because-of-gender-bending-and-gun-control/
Courtesy of NRA TV - "The Manchester Bombing Happened Because of Gender Bending and Gun Control".
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense to me either.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
We were watching an 1974 episode of Kojak last night, a great cop show from back in the day. The episode was about a serial bomber who was killing people in NYC. Those kinds of things really did happen 40 years ago. It got me to thinking how this sort of thing has been going on for a long time. They are horrible incidents but I have to ask, is giving them so much attention going to make them go away? In the Kojak show, one of the theories the cops discussed was the possibility of a copy cat killings. Those happened also and they often happened because of all the sensationalism surrounding them. Copy cat killers see these things and think about how infamous they TOO could be. What if these terrible acts were not given so much over-blown attention? Maybe there wouldn't be so many.
I've got a life to live. You have a life to live. We all do. Don't give it the haters what they want. Live.
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I wasn't saying it was the BBC that arrested them, that would be ridiculous.CM189191 said:
Not true, his father and one of his brothers have been detained by militia in Libya. Thus far all reports in UK and Ireland refer to the father as being a vocal opponent of ISISjnimhaoileoin said:
BBC just said they arrested the whole lot of 'emCM189191 said:
detained/arrested/potato
Father and brother of Manchester bomber arrested in Libya
i hate the new quoting system so much
Do you really believe I thought that's what you were suggesting? My point is that rather than being arrested by law-enforcement or security services in Britain as part of their investigation, he has been detained by militia forces in Libya. There is still nothing to suggest that the people investigating the attack believe he had anything to do with it0 -
@brianlux good point. Remember the IRA bombings that were happening in Ireland all the time? Do you know why they stopped?brianlux said:We were watching an 1974 episode of Kojak last night, a great cop show from back in the day. The episode was about a serial bomber who was killing people in NYC. Those kinds of things really did happen 40 years ago. It got me to thinking how this sort of thing has been going on for a long time. They are horrible incidents but I have to ask, is giving them so much attention going to make them go away? In the Kojak show, one of the theories the cops discussed was the possibility of a copy cat killings. Those happened also and they often happened because of all the sensationalism surrounding them. Copy cat killers see these things and think about how infamous they TOO could be. What if these terrible acts were not given so much over-blown attention? Maybe there wouldn't be so many.
I've got a life to live. You have a life to live. We all do. Don't give it the haters what they want. Live.
The IRA didn't want to be seen in the same light as middle eastern terrorists.
Even the Mafia stopped bombing judges in Italy around the same time.
Maybe we can have change.0 -
Hells Angels were using bombs in the 80s in Quebec as well.
From what I can recall, they stopped because of the heat they drew."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
History is littered with violent scum bags
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No magical person in the sky, correct.
Spirit can be defined as the intellect of one's soul.
You sure can see the difference between good and evil. People who slaughter & people like these few homeless people who will give someone one of the only shirts they have, and try to maybe save a life with it.(tourniquet). Try to stabilize & keep calm victims till help can get to them.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
@brianlux good point. Remember the IRA bombings that were happening in Ireland all the time? Do you know why they stopped?brianlux said:We were watching an 1974 episode of Kojak last night, a great cop show from back in the day. The episode was about a serial bomber who was killing people in NYC. Those kinds of things really did happen 40 years ago. It got me to thinking how this sort of thing has been going on for a long time. They are horrible incidents but I have to ask, is giving them so much attention going to make them go away? In the Kojak show, one of the theories the cops discussed was the possibility of a copy cat killings. Those happened also and they often happened because of all the sensationalism surrounding them. Copy cat killers see these things and think about how infamous they TOO could be. What if these terrible acts were not given so much over-blown attention? Maybe there wouldn't be so many.
I've got a life to live. You have a life to live. We all do. Don't give it the haters what they want. Live.
The IRA didn't want to be seen in the same light as middle eastern terrorists.
Even the Mafia stopped bombing judges in Italy around the same time.
Maybe we can have change.
There have always been and, I'm sure, will always be, people who perform acts of terrorism to try to advance their political or social goals. Hell, we even had the hard core environmentalists in the '70s. Though I don't want to seem like I'm trivializing it, they're almost like fads - one group/cause is active for a while, then it dies down, and another group is active. That's part of the reason I never assume that bombings these days are due to Muslim terrorists - because some day it won't be, it'll be someone else.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more? What were his motives? Where did he just get back from? Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them. There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.0 -
there's no such thing as a terrorist sympathizer. that's just right wing nutty buzzwords. and no one is denying that radical islam exists.RYME said:Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more? What were his motives? Where did he just get back from? Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them. There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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