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tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

there's no such thing as a terrorist sympathizer. that's just right wing nutty buzzwords. and no one is denying that radical islam exists. 

And to be clear, it may not have been a truck, but a crazy man just ran over a bunch of people in NYC. Maybe he was influenced by what he had seen in Germany though.

I think many naturally gravitate to blaming ISIS for these incidents as soon as they happen, but that's more common in this current state of the world. It isn't always true and should never be the automatic ruling before all the facts are obtained.

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

there's no such thing as a terrorist sympathizer. that's just right wing nutty buzzwords. and no one is denying that radical islam exists. 

And to be clear, it may not have been a truck, but a crazy man just ran over a bunch of people in NYC. Maybe he was influenced by what he had seen in Germany though.

I think many naturally gravitate to blaming ISIS for these incidents as soon as they happen, but that's more common in this current state of the world. It isn't always true and should never be the automatic ruling before all the facts are obtained.

yes, none of us are surprised when it happens to be ISIS or an ISIS supporter, but kneejerk is never the best reaction. people have stopped waiting for actual facts, because news agencies just want to be first with a correct guess rather than real vetted factual info. 

brianlux

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

I'm half Amish.  I strongly advise you to keep an eye out for me because, yes, I'm half out of control.  But just one eye.  Like I said, I'm only half.

Go Beavers

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

Who's sympathizing and denying?

PJ_Soul

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think all the other terrible things that happen to people and animals is part of an argument against God. The things that aren't atrocities determined by free will. Drought, famine, horrible disease, devastating natural disasters, human nature ... Seriously, I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in God doesn't hate his guts.

I'll go back to this argument again. For the most part parents have children that they want to be decent human beings, but it doesn't always happen because they only have the ability to create life. Why can't the same be true of a god? They create life, but can't dictate how that life is lived or how it acts because we are born with our own thoughts and minds.

As I've said, I don't specifically believe in god, but a higher being, and I don't blame it for the shitty actions of humans. That's on us to figure out.

True. Also, God or any random higher being one might imagine can blow jelly beans out of volcanoes and make it rain trumpets, but can't thread a golden needle with the hair of all mankind. In other words, literally anything can be said about God/a higher being - I don't see how any statement is more valid than another when it is all completely made up out of thin air.

OMGkatwoman

RYME said:

No magical person  in the sky, correct.
Spirit can be defined as the intellect of one's soul.
You sure can see the difference between good and evil.  People who slaughter & people like these few homeless people who will give someone one of the only shirts they have, and try to maybe save a life with it.(tourniquet).  Try to stabilize & keep calm victims till help can get to them.

It's stories like this that come out that helps me feel that's there still some hope for humanity...

my2hands

Go Beavers said:

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

Who's sympathizing and denying?

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think all the other terrible things that happen to people and animals is part of an argument against God. The things that aren't atrocities determined by free will. Drought, famine, horrible disease, devastating natural disasters, human nature ... Seriously, I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in God doesn't hate his guts.

I'll go back to this argument again. For the most part parents have children that they want to be decent human beings, but it doesn't always happen because they only have the ability to create life. Why can't the same be true of a god? They create life, but can't dictate how that life is lived or how it acts because we are born with our own thoughts and minds.

As I've said, I don't specifically believe in god, but a higher being, and I don't blame it for the shitty actions of humans. That's on us to figure out.

True. Also, God or any random higher being one might imagine can blow jelly beans out of volcanoes and make it rain trumpets, but can't thread a golden needle with the hair of all mankind. In other words, literally anything can be said about God/a higher being - I don't see how any statement is more valid than another when it is all completely made up out of thin air.

watching the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode "The Genesis Tub" put alot of this in perspective.

RYME

I was just referring to the coment about this being the current trend, or a fad.
The environmentalist of the 70s comparison.  Also trending nowadays is the distressed jeans look pre ripped jeans. Denying terrorism for what it is right here and right now is ridiculous.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

Who's sympathizing and denying?

Are you saying religion is at the root of these crimes?

RYME

OMGkatwoman said:

RYME said:

No magical person  in the sky, correct.
Spirit can be defined as the intellect of one's soul.
You sure can see the difference between good and evil.  People who slaughter & people like these few homeless people who will give someone one of the only shirts they have, and try to maybe save a life with it.(tourniquet).  Try to stabilize & keep calm victims till help can get to them.

It's stories like this that come out that helps me feel that's there still some hope for humanity...

Yea, that was one silver lining out of this deal.

brianlux

Not even knowing the difference between Amish and Arab leaves me little hope for humanity.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

brianlux said:

Not even knowing the difference between Amish and Arab leaves me little hope for humanity.

I'm pretty sure he knew the difference.

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think all the other terrible things that happen to people and animals is part of an argument against God. The things that aren't atrocities determined by free will. Drought, famine, horrible disease, devastating natural disasters, human nature ... Seriously, I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in God doesn't hate his guts.

I'll go back to this argument again. For the most part parents have children that they want to be decent human beings, but it doesn't always happen because they only have the ability to create life. Why can't the same be true of a god? They create life, but can't dictate how that life is lived or how it acts because we are born with our own thoughts and minds.

As I've said, I don't specifically believe in god, but a higher being, and I don't blame it for the shitty actions of humans. That's on us to figure out.

True. Also, God or any random higher being one might imagine can blow jelly beans out of volcanoes and make it rain trumpets, but can't thread a golden needle with the hair of all mankind. In other words, literally anything can be said about God/a higher being - I don't see how any statement is more valid than another when it is all completely made up out of thin air.

watching the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode "The Genesis Tub" put alot of this in perspective.

Whatever works for you. Doesn't matter to me whether someone believes or thinks it's all bullshit. I was Lutheran, then I was atheist and now I'm more of a higher being type believer. Imagine if all digital media was destroyed and lost regarding some of the major events that have happened in the last 100 years and then fast forward 2000 years from now and all you have are some written accounts that vary from a Fox News to a CNN perspective. Where's the middle ground? Hard to believe anything you can't touch, taste, hear, smell or see.

Anyway, I'm going to go eat some Jelly Bean and wait for the next volcano explosion  

mcgruff10

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

there's no such thing as a terrorist sympathizer. that's just right wing nutty buzzwords. and no one is denying that radical islam exists. 

And to be clear, it may not have been a truck, but a crazy man just ran over a bunch of people in NYC. Maybe he was influenced by what he had seen in Germany though.

I think many naturally gravitate to blaming ISIS for these incidents as soon as they happen, but that's more common in this current state of the world. It isn't always true and should never be the automatic ruling before all the facts are obtained.

yes, none of us are surprised when it happens to be ISIS or an ISIS supporter, but kneejerk is never the best reaction. people have stopped waiting for actual facts, because news agencies just want to be first with a correct guess rather than real vetted factual info. 

I"m sorry but if I hear sucide bomber I automatically think muslim terrorist.  

HesCalledDyer

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think all the other terrible things that happen to people and animals is part of an argument against God. The things that aren't atrocities determined by free will. Drought, famine, horrible disease, devastating natural disasters, human nature ... Seriously, I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in God doesn't hate his guts.

I'll go back to this argument again. For the most part parents have children that they want to be decent human beings, but it doesn't always happen because they only have the ability to create life. Why can't the same be true of a god? They create life, but can't dictate how that life is lived or how it acts because we are born with our own thoughts and minds.

As I've said, I don't specifically believe in god, but a higher being, and I don't blame it for the shitty actions of humans. That's on us to figure out.

True. Also, God or any random higher being one might imagine can blow jelly beans out of volcanoes and make it rain trumpets, but can't thread a golden needle with the hair of all mankind. In other words, literally anything can be said about God/a higher being - I don't see how any statement is more valid than another when it is all completely made up out of thin air.

I'm reminded of the scene in Devil's Advocate where John (Al Pacino) is going off about God to Kevin (Keanu Reeves)...

Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!

tbergs

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

Who was this guy who blew himself up while killing 22 children, & injuring dozens more?  What were his motives?  Where did he just get back from?  Who is his dad & brother affiliated with?
Never assume that it is Radical terrists?
They do it in the name of Allah Akbar for crying out loud. What group of people gets into​ trucks and runs over parades of people? Who shoots up gay night-clubs?
Those damn Amish, you just got to keep a sharp eye on them.  There out of control.
Terrorist sympathizers, and radical Islam deniers just amazes me.

there's no such thing as a terrorist sympathizer. that's just right wing nutty buzzwords. and no one is denying that radical islam exists. 

And to be clear, it may not have been a truck, but a crazy man just ran over a bunch of people in NYC. Maybe he was influenced by what he had seen in Germany though.

I think many naturally gravitate to blaming ISIS for these incidents as soon as they happen, but that's more common in this current state of the world. It isn't always true and should never be the automatic ruling before all the facts are obtained.

yes, none of us are surprised when it happens to be ISIS or an ISIS supporter, but kneejerk is never the best reaction. people have stopped waiting for actual facts, because news agencies just want to be first with a correct guess rather than real vetted factual info. 

I"m sorry but if I hear sucide bomber I automatically think muslim terrorist.  

I don't think anyone is disputing that. It's that it starts being reported that way before the facts come out. They simply need to start the story with "Suicide Bomber", not "Possibly Radical Muslim/Islam Bomber". We can think what we want, but the media should be reporting based on what they know, not what they think. It's very misleading because unfortunately, people run with whatever they hear first.

Jason P

Britain has kicked the US out of the circle of trust for leaking info like a sieve to the press.

brianlux

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

brianlux said:

Not even knowing the difference between Amish and Arab leaves me little hope for humanity.

I'm pretty sure he knew the difference.

OK, but why Amish?  It's hard to take  this place seriously which I why I mostly don't.

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think all the other terrible things that happen to people and animals is part of an argument against God. The things that aren't atrocities determined by free will. Drought, famine, horrible disease, devastating natural disasters, human nature ... Seriously, I don't understand how anyone who actually believes in God doesn't hate his guts.

I'll go back to this argument again. For the most part parents have children that they want to be decent human beings, but it doesn't always happen because they only have the ability to create life. Why can't the same be true of a god? They create life, but can't dictate how that life is lived or how it acts because we are born with our own thoughts and minds.

As I've said, I don't specifically believe in god, but a higher being, and I don't blame it for the shitty actions of humans. That's on us to figure out.

True. Also, God or any random higher being one might imagine can blow jelly beans out of volcanoes and make it rain trumpets, but can't thread a golden needle with the hair of all mankind. In other words, literally anything can be said about God/a higher being - I don't see how any statement is more valid than another when it is all completely made up out of thin air.

watching the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode "The Genesis Tub" put alot of this in perspective.

Whatever works for you. Doesn't matter to me whether someone believes or thinks it's all bullshit. I was Lutheran, then I was atheist and now I'm more of a higher being type believer. Imagine if all digital media was destroyed and lost regarding some of the major events that have happened in the last 100 years and then fast forward 2000 years from now and all you have are some written accounts that vary from a Fox News to a CNN perspective. Where's the middle ground? Hard to believe anything you can't touch, taste, hear, smell or see.

Anyway, I'm going to go eat some Jelly Bean and wait for the next volcano explosion  

I'm somewhere in the middle between atheist and agnostic. it depends on the day, really. usually lean atheist, but then if I have time to sit and think too much about how fucking big the universe is and how it got created and how and why and all that, I can't help but think there was some sort of manufacturer to all of this. 

but the christian god I was taught about as a kid? NOPE.