Vaccinate your kids?

Here's the thing. It boils down to choice. For the guy whose kids got everything under the sun naturally.. that's really scary that you laugh that off as if it was nothing. The reason those other kids didn't get that? Vaccines. If THEY hadn't been vaccinated, at least a majority of them would likely have come down with the Mumps. It is cause and effect plain and simple. I agree, there is mass hysteria that comes from both sides. But the truth is, we live in far too close proximity of one another to be fucking around with the general well being of all involved. These are serious diseases that cause life long affects. They destroy brain, nerve, and muscle tissues, leaving permanent attributes to the sufferer, if not death. Somewhere along the line, we have gotten comfortable with healthy being the norm, and we have forgotten how quickly these infections spread. So much so, that we tend to forget just enough to go on rants about how dangerous these vacs are vs how helpful they are. Can they cause Autism, absofuckinglutely not! Autism is a disruption in the genetic strand. PERIOD. It is not a virus, or an infection.. it is miscoded genomes. You can't catch that. It can develop over time.. as the code in your genes develop minus some key components, which is what causes Autism ; this is to the best of our knowledge so far.
Vaccines are in the general sense better for society as a whole, as it maintains populous health. Homeopathy is a less guided, more intellectual form of treatment that requires MUCH study, and regularly updated info. It is not something you 'just do'. As for the generalized ideal that vaccines are for the best, or for the weak of mind, is a decision you have to make on your own. There is no proof that they are dangerous, but there is a huge mass of proof of how effective they are. Do your homework, figure it out.

rgambs said:

MayDay10 said:

isnt homeopathic medicine the act of treating an illness, by giving the 'patient' something that causes the same symptoms, the thought that worsening the symptoms ratchets up the 'healing' process?

The basis for homeopathy is that "like cures like", but it has more to do with "vital force" and "miasmas" than having an effect on the natural healing process as it actually functions.

Many many homeopathic remedies don't operate on this principle though, or the likeness is only obvious to those in the homeopathic echo chamber.
For instance, Oscillococcinum, a homeopathic flu remedy available in every drug store, is made from duck liver. Duck liver dissolved in solution and then diluted to 200C.
"As there are only about 10 to the 80th power atoms in the entire observable universe, a dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10 to the 320th power more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance."

This isn't totally correct. There are several instances in which many elements are not diluted at all. Like Hawthorne. I use Hawthorne every day on Frosty's joints. The thistle is mashed up, and spread across her hocks every morning. It reduces swelling, muscular inflammation, and aids in pain relief, via osmosis. I also
Use it in combination with the smoking of pot to help with serious pain in my hands. So not always diluted. Like I said above, there is so much more to homeopathy than most people realize. There is a LOT of education required to fully understand the full principles of it. Like I said before.. it works great for minor ailments.

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

MayDay10 said:

isnt homeopathic medicine the act of treating an illness, by giving the 'patient' something that causes the same symptoms, the thought that worsening the symptoms ratchets up the 'healing' process?

The basis for homeopathy is that "like cures like", but it has more to do with "vital force" and "miasmas" than having an effect on the natural healing process as it actually functions.

Many many homeopathic remedies don't operate on this principle though, or the likeness is only obvious to those in the homeopathic echo chamber.
For instance, Oscillococcinum, a homeopathic flu remedy available in every drug store, is made from duck liver. Duck liver dissolved in solution and then diluted to 200C.
"As there are only about 10 to the 80th power atoms in the entire observable universe, a dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10 to the 320th power more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance."

This isn't totally correct. There are several instances in which many elements are not diluted at all. Like Hawthorne. I use Hawthorne every day on Frosty's joints. The thistle is mashed up, and spread across her hocks every morning. It reduces swelling, muscular inflammation, and aids in pain relief, via osmosis. I also
Use it in combination with the smoking of pot to help with serious pain in my hands. So not always diluted.

Not homeopathic. Just herbal, and if used properly and with proper expectations, a perfectly viable part of a healthcare strategy.

Ok. True. But I also know that not all homeopathy requires dilution. I know this because I work with a homeopath that INSISTS that what she does stands above all chemical compounds. I find that very hard to believe. However, I see where some of her strategies are far healthier than say aspirin or god forbid acetaminophen.. ( this was originally created by a vet to reduce fever in cattle!!) . But she does not always dilute.

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

MayDay10 said:

isnt homeopathic medicine the act of treating an illness, by giving the 'patient' something that causes the same symptoms, the thought that worsening the symptoms ratchets up the 'healing' process?

The basis for homeopathy is that "like cures like", but it has more to do with "vital force" and "miasmas" than having an effect on the natural healing process as it actually functions.

Many many homeopathic remedies don't operate on this principle though, or the likeness is only obvious to those in the homeopathic echo chamber.
For instance, Oscillococcinum, a homeopathic flu remedy available in every drug store, is made from duck liver. Duck liver dissolved in solution and then diluted to 200C.
"As there are only about 10 to the 80th power atoms in the entire observable universe, a dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10 to the 320th power more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance."

This isn't totally correct. There are several instances in which many elements are not diluted at all. Like Hawthorne. I use Hawthorne every day on Frosty's joints. The thistle is mashed up, and spread across her hocks every morning. It reduces swelling, muscular inflammation, and aids in pain relief, via osmosis. I also
Use it in combination with the smoking of pot to help with serious pain in my hands. So not always diluted.

Not homeopathic. Just herbal, and if used properly and with proper expectations, a perfectly viable part of a healthcare strategy.

Ok. True. But I also know that not all homeopathy requires dilution. I know this because I work with a homeopath that INSISTS that what she does stands above all chemical compounds. I find that very hard to believe. However, I see where some of her strategies are far healthier than say aspirin or god forbid acetaminophen.. ( this was originally created by a vet to reduce fever in cattle!!) . But she does not always dilute.

There are nowadays homeopaths that don't dilute, and they do produce some efficacious substances, but then the question is really if that's even homeopathy.
Aspirin is a concentrated and standardised pharmaceutical version of the old willow bark tea. There are some reasons why willow bark tea might be preferable for your health, but the whole idea behind pharmaceuticals is to take something curative that has potential danger from it's highly variable dosing and preparation, and turn it into something that is standardised, thereby eliminating some of the danger while increasing the efficacy.

I was under the impression that aspirin came from Aspen bark?

oftenreading said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

whispering hands said:

rgambs said:

MayDay10 said:

isnt homeopathic medicine the act of treating an illness, by giving the 'patient' something that causes the same symptoms, the thought that worsening the symptoms ratchets up the 'healing' process?

The basis for homeopathy is that "like cures like", but it has more to do with "vital force" and "miasmas" than having an effect on the natural healing process as it actually functions.

Many many homeopathic remedies don't operate on this principle though, or the likeness is only obvious to those in the homeopathic echo chamber.
For instance, Oscillococcinum, a homeopathic flu remedy available in every drug store, is made from duck liver. Duck liver dissolved in solution and then diluted to 200C.
"As there are only about 10 to the 80th power atoms in the entire observable universe, a dilution of one molecule in the observable universe would be about 40C. Oscillococcinum would thus require 10 to the 320th power more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance."

This isn't totally correct. There are several instances in which many elements are not diluted at all. Like Hawthorne. I use Hawthorne every day on Frosty's joints. The thistle is mashed up, and spread across her hocks every morning. It reduces swelling, muscular inflammation, and aids in pain relief, via osmosis. I also
Use it in combination with the smoking of pot to help with serious pain in my hands. So not always diluted.

Not homeopathic. Just herbal, and if used properly and with proper expectations, a perfectly viable part of a healthcare strategy.

Ok. True. But I also know that not all homeopathy requires dilution. I know this because I work with a homeopath that INSISTS that what she does stands above all chemical compounds. I find that very hard to believe. However, I see where some of her strategies are far healthier than say aspirin or god forbid acetaminophen.. ( this was originally created by a vet to reduce fever in cattle!!) . But she does not always dilute.

There are nowadays homeopaths that don't dilute, and they do produce some efficacious substances, but then the question is really if that's even homeopathy.
Aspirin is a concentrated and standardised pharmaceutical version of the old willow bark tea. There are some reasons why willow bark tea might be preferable for your health, but the whole idea behind pharmaceuticals is to take something curative that has potential danger from it's highly variable dosing and preparation, and turn it into something that is standardised, thereby eliminating some of the danger while increasing the efficacy.

I was under the impression that aspirin came from Aspen bark?

No, original source for derivation of salicylic acid was willow bark

Ok. I just know the communes up in Manitou harvest Aspen bark every year for analgesic citation. They are limited as to what they may harvest from the surrounding forest.