Donald Trump

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josevolution said:

lol we still have more than three yrs left of this I can't wait to see what this country looks like after we get done winning so much ...

We'll all be sleeping, so, so, so very tired from all the winning we'll be.

Hey, but Mike Pence has an Instagram account now. Who all follows him?

Vice President Mike Pence is now on Instagram. For up-to-date photos, follow VP here.

I'm not allowed to look at it if my wife isn't in the room with me.

Right?! So Trump selects a VP who either can't control his urges or out of some made up religious sense can't sin against his spouse by dining with other women without her? What's next? A Christian version of the Burqua? Anyway, help me understand this, is he afraid of sinning or is it some self imposed religious obligation? Or is it a dog whistle to his far right second coming Christian conservatives?

It's the world progressives have created. When Rolling Stone magazine can turn any man into a rapist only a fool would put themselves in a compromising position. Personally I will not meet with a female student behind closed doors and I never drive a female baby sitter home. All it takes is one accusation to ruin a life and/or career.

pence isn't making this decision out of fear of an accusation.

First you don't know that and second it is not "fear". Any intelligent person needs to recognize the media landscape we are in and the quick rush to judgement that is occuring across politics, businesses and campuses every single day. We live in a world where privileged white men are promoters and/or enablers of rape culture and guilt will be decided before any trial. This doesn't downplay or dismiss real sexual assault when it occurs but any intelligent person would make sure that they are not in the position to be accused. One must act defensively. Lastly it is the height of all ridiculousness that the AMT can declare that the Clinton marriage is nobody's business but that the Pence marriage with it's pretty innocent ground rules is open to ridicule. Classic AMT insanity.

How dare thee question thee conservative family values! How dareth ye protesteth too much! Boooooooooo! Maybe Pence foot taps at the airport? NTTIAWWT.

Sure, blame it on evil liberal university culture.

I blame you as well. You believe Trump pissed on somebody. If Pence was accused of something you would be the first to hammer him on it. Evidence is irrelevant to you...just the narrative. The world we live in contains vicious individuals who seek destroy those that disagree with them. One should never give the vicious the opportunity.

Destroy the individual? Just the opposite happened. trump admitted to sexual assault and got to be president. You're saying I don't know pence, then you go on to tell us his reasons for his behavior. pence is a conservative, Christian fundamentalist. That is why he won't be alone with a woman at dinner. He adheres to outdated bs about lust as sin, and thinks that not being at dinner is some way to avoid this possibility of sinning.

Well I am no conservative christian but the idea of him having ground rules in his marriage is not ridiculous at all. You are assuming that his christianity is the only reason for his behaviour and I am suggesting that there are others to consider. Many politicians have succumbed to extra marital affairs that have damaged and/or ended their careers. Clinton, Edwards, Spitzer, Weiner, and a few republicans as well. Temptation among the rich and powerful is very real...it isn't about "lust", "sin", and/or religion and there is nothing wrong with one politician setting up ground rules to help protect a marriage. It is also ridiculous for anyone to judge their marriage. This used to be a forum where people believed we should stay out of people's bedrooms.

This is not about Pence's marriage. No one here really cares about Pence's marriage. This is about how Pence is in the world, and more specifically, how and whether he can do his job if he puts significant restrictions on how he interacts with women. It may come as a surprise to Pence but there will be a number of female professionals that he will need to meet with during his tenure as VP, and his wife can't be present at all of those meetings. Regardless of his reasons, religious or otherwise, he is practicing discrimination based on gender, plain and simple.

Sorry but no. We just finished an election where the democratic candidate stated that "all women accusers must be believed"...except for Bill's accusers of course. The left and many on this forum have already dubbed the president a rapist. Under this scenerio only a fool would place themselves in a compromising position. You can't on the one hand say all accusers must be believed and on the other hand fault a man who wants to avoid being accused. This is your new progressive world where men avoid incidental contact in order to avoid being on the cover of the Rolling Stone.

Performing your job with female colleagues as well as male is not "incidental contact". Has Pence ever said that he won't meeting individually with male colleagues, staffers, or offficials in other governments? If he provides access to his time in the course of his job to men that he won't provide to women, he's practicing discrimination.

He has never declared that he won't provide women colleagues access to his time and there is no evidence of this.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/the-pences-prophylactic-approach-to-infidelity

Your argument of discrimination is silly

Pence has not previously been in the position of VP. There will be many more demands on his time and many late nights working. If, during the course of those working hours, he ends up having working lunches, dinners, or hey, even breakfasts, with male colleagues that he won't have with women, then he is being discriminatory. Sorry if you find that silly, but I'm not surprised.

And as I suggested above, the links you provided demonstrate the he hasn't put these self-imposed rules into place for fear of unjust accusations of sexual assault; that was your fear and your interpretation. Someone just isn't at peace with his lust, I guess.

He was a governor...I'm pretty sure these working demands aren't that new to him. If it didn't affect him in the Governor's mansion then it will not affect him in the white house. It is just silly and more phony outrage.

Interesting that the article you linked to considers the point I raised to be "serious" and worth considering, though the author ultimately doesn't think it applies to Pence. Seems you may be alone in considering it "silly".

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Tiki said:

"Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."

Completely nonsensical. I'm surprised his mental fitness is even under debate. Can you imagine running into someone who spoke like this in your normal life? You'd start talking to his friends and family about having him committed.

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oftenreading said:

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josevolution said:

lol we still have more than three yrs left of this I can't wait to see what this country looks like after we get done winning so much ...

We'll all be sleeping, so, so, so very tired from all the winning we'll be.

Hey, but Mike Pence has an Instagram account now. Who all follows him?

Vice President Mike Pence is now on Instagram. For up-to-date photos, follow VP here.

I'm not allowed to look at it if my wife isn't in the room with me.

Right?! So Trump selects a VP who either can't control his urges or out of some made up religious sense can't sin against his spouse by dining with other women without her? What's next? A Christian version of the Burqua? Anyway, help me understand this, is he afraid of sinning or is it some self imposed religious obligation? Or is it a dog whistle to his far right second coming Christian conservatives?

It's the world progressives have created. When Rolling Stone magazine can turn any man into a rapist only a fool would put themselves in a compromising position. Personally I will not meet with a female student behind closed doors and I never drive a female baby sitter home. All it takes is one accusation to ruin a life and/or career.

pence isn't making this decision out of fear of an accusation.

First you don't know that and second it is not "fear". Any intelligent person needs to recognize the media landscape we are in and the quick rush to judgement that is occuring across politics, businesses and campuses every single day. We live in a world where privileged white men are promoters and/or enablers of rape culture and guilt will be decided before any trial. This doesn't downplay or dismiss real sexual assault when it occurs but any intelligent person would make sure that they are not in the position to be accused. One must act defensively. Lastly it is the height of all ridiculousness that the AMT can declare that the Clinton marriage is nobody's business but that the Pence marriage with it's pretty innocent ground rules is open to ridicule. Classic AMT insanity.

How dare thee question thee conservative family values! How dareth ye protesteth too much! Boooooooooo! Maybe Pence foot taps at the airport? NTTIAWWT.

Sure, blame it on evil liberal university culture.

I blame you as well. You believe Trump pissed on somebody. If Pence was accused of something you would be the first to hammer him on it. Evidence is irrelevant to you...just the narrative. The world we live in contains vicious individuals who seek destroy those that disagree with them. One should never give the vicious the opportunity.

Destroy the individual? Just the opposite happened. trump admitted to sexual assault and got to be president. You're saying I don't know pence, then you go on to tell us his reasons for his behavior. pence is a conservative, Christian fundamentalist. That is why he won't be alone with a woman at dinner. He adheres to outdated bs about lust as sin, and thinks that not being at dinner is some way to avoid this possibility of sinning.

Well I am no conservative christian but the idea of him having ground rules in his marriage is not ridiculous at all. You are assuming that his christianity is the only reason for his behaviour and I am suggesting that there are others to consider. Many politicians have succumbed to extra marital affairs that have damaged and/or ended their careers. Clinton, Edwards, Spitzer, Weiner, and a few republicans as well. Temptation among the rich and powerful is very real...it isn't about "lust", "sin", and/or religion and there is nothing wrong with one politician setting up ground rules to help protect a marriage. It is also ridiculous for anyone to judge their marriage. This used to be a forum where people believed we should stay out of people's bedrooms.

This is not about Pence's marriage. No one here really cares about Pence's marriage. This is about how Pence is in the world, and more specifically, how and whether he can do his job if he puts significant restrictions on how he interacts with women. It may come as a surprise to Pence but there will be a number of female professionals that he will need to meet with during his tenure as VP, and his wife can't be present at all of those meetings. Regardless of his reasons, religious or otherwise, he is practicing discrimination based on gender, plain and simple.

Sorry but no. We just finished an election where the democratic candidate stated that "all women accusers must be believed"...except for Bill's accusers of course. The left and many on this forum have already dubbed the president a rapist. Under this scenerio only a fool would place themselves in a compromising position. You can't on the one hand say all accusers must be believed and on the other hand fault a man who wants to avoid being accused. This is your new progressive world where men avoid incidental contact in order to avoid being on the cover of the Rolling Stone.

This is lunacy.

It is. I completely agree. It is the unfortunate state of what our world has become.

Must be the War On Men bringing you down.
You are stretching here, denying the obvious religious extremism to try and weakly shift the blame to liberalism.

Nah. Not concerned about the so called "war on men" but I do recognize the ground rules of the day. If you are accused a vast number of people will convict you before you ever get your day in court. That is our present media environment and you cannot win under that scenerio. You on the other hand see religious extremism in everything. It's "obvious"! I mean most people on here have no problem with how Islam subjugates women...that's just celebrating diversity...but Pence's ground rules...well that's an outrage!

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cincybearcat said:

So - the Pence thing...

On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

I wonder which one it really is?

I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.

Halifax2TheMax said:

The question that needs to be asked is why are Trump campaign officials and associates being picked up on surveillance of foreign targets? The "unmasking" and "leaking" are distractions, deflections and denials of what the real issue is and what needs to be investigated. Bad behavior by the Obama Administration? What is this? 3rd grade?

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees