America's Gun Violence

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited April 2017
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    dudeman said:

    Hopefully, one day, people will realize that "Gun Free Zones" encourage attacks rather than prevent them.

    Fish in a barrel.
    Is there data to support the claim that gun free zones encourage attacks?
    :weary:
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  • unsung
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    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    The last time I knew, 92% of mass shootings occurred in gun free zones. I'm pretty sure there is a source linked earlier in this thread.

    Well that's helpful, lol.
    So what about nightclubs, which now seem to be a target? We want everyone packing heat in nightclubs now?
    LOL @ "packing heat".
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Go Beavers said:

    unsung said:

    dudeman said:

    Hopefully, one day, people will realize that "Gun Free Zones" encourage attacks rather than prevent them.

    Fish in a barrel.
    Is there data to support the claim that gun free zones encourage attacks?
    No. The fact that the majority of the spree killings occur in those zones is reflective of who/what the shooters want to target. School shooters from Columbine up chose the school as the setting because of the people there and what the school represented, not because it happened to be a gun-free zone
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  • unsung
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    Wow, someone in the heads of a bunch of killers.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,569
    unsung said:

    Wow, someone in the heads of a bunch of killers.

    Which someone? The ones saying they target gun free zones specifically, or the ones saying places where people congregate in large groups also happen to be gun free zones?
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    PJ_Soul said:

    dudeman said:

    The last time I knew, 92% of mass shootings occurred in gun free zones. I'm pretty sure there is a source linked earlier in this thread.

    Well that's helpful, lol.
    So what about nightclubs, which now seem to be a target? We want everyone packing heat in nightclubs now?
    No. Not everyone. Those who have gone through the steps to obtain a permit to carry concealed should be able to, IMO.

    These people are statistically more law abiding than the average civilian, have at least some degree of firearms training and have passed a criminal background check.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,666
    Gun violence will always be part of our country it's just the way this country works guns are part of the fabric ...
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    josevolution said:

    Gun violence will always be part of our country it's just the way this country works guns are part of the fabric ...

    I'm afraid you're right.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,666
    dudeman said:

    josevolution said:

    Gun violence will always be part of our country it's just the way this country works guns are part of the fabric ...

    I'm afraid you're right.
    As long as gun rights don't trample any of my rights I say go at it own as many weapons as you feel the need too ...
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    josevolution said:

    dudeman said:

    josevolution said:

    Gun violence will always be part of our country it's just the way this country works guns are part of the fabric ...

    I'm afraid you're right.
    As long as gun rights don't trample any of my rights I say go at it own as many weapons as you feel the need too ...
    And that is exactly the idea.
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    My whole country is a gun free zone, funny how that seems to work for us...
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Why people should be concerned about those "databases" and regulations surrounding mental health/firearm ownership.
    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/04/04/state-forced-return-500-guns-incompetent-doj-raid/?stv=a
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited April 2017
    PJPOWER said:

    Why people should be concerned about those "databases" and regulations surrounding mental health/firearm ownership.
    https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/04/04/state-forced-return-500-guns-incompetent-doj-raid/?stv=a

    Even that very biased article doesn't demonstrate a reason to be concerned about regulations surrounding mental health/firearm ownership per se, just that they have to be properly followed and enforced.

    And the fact that the individual in question has not had a criminal conviction for a violent act does not in any way mean he isn't or hasn't been violent. It's a spurious argument to make, particularly when we are talking about people with mental health issues, where violent acts may well lead to admission to hospital for assessment and treatment rather than a criminal conviction. At least, that's the way it generally should go, though admittedly that often isn't the way it goes, particularly in the US but often in Canada, too.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Follow up on the OK home defense with an AR-15 story:
    http://tribunist.com/news/police-announce-fate-of-homeowners-son-who-killed-3-home-invaders-with-ar-15/?utm_source=GSL
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,666
    unsung said:

    josevolution said:

    dudeman said:

    josevolution said:

    Gun violence will always be part of our country it's just the way this country works guns are part of the fabric ...

    I'm afraid you're right.
    As long as gun rights don't trample any of my rights I say go at it own as many weapons as you feel the need too ...
    And that is exactly the idea.
    Whoa I can't believe I actually posted something that you agree on ..
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,569
    PJPOWER said:

    Follow up on the OK home defense with an AR-15 story:
    http://tribunist.com/news/police-announce-fate-of-homeowners-son-who-killed-3-home-invaders-with-ar-15/?utm_source=GSL

    Did I read it right that they're charging the driver with murder? Seems odd.
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    Felony murder rule. If you and I rob Uncle Irving's liquor store and unc Irving pulls out a magnum and shoots and kills me or any bystander in thestore, YOU GET THE BODY not Irving
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited April 2017
    rssesq said:

    Felony murder rule. If you and I rob Uncle Irving's liquor store and unc Irving pulls out a magnum and shoots and kills me or any bystander in thestore, YOU GET THE BODY not Irving

    Right, if the crime that someone is committing directly results in the deaths of accomplices or anyone else, the responsibility for those deaths is of the person/people committing the crime.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,569
    PJPOWER said:

    rssesq said:

    Felony murder rule. If you and I rob Uncle Irving's liquor store and unc Irving pulls out a magnum and shoots and kills me or any bystander in thestore, YOU GET THE BODY not Irving

    Right, if the crime that someone is committing directly results in the deaths of accomplices or anyone else, the responsibility for those deaths is of the person/people committing the crime.
    It seems like it wouldn't fit the definition of 1st degree murder, though. Maybe more amt lawyers can chime in.
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