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And yet you posit Obama violated the law, an impeachable offense yet can't fathom that Trump and his ilk could be capable of the same. Why is that, professor. Despite the overwhelming evidence on both my points. Why one but not the other, professor? Why are you comfortable with Trump's ridiculous tweet that tarnishes Obama's reputation but yet give Trump and his history of malfeasance a pass? Why is that, professor?BS44325 said:
When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.BS44325 said:
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemupmrussel1 said:
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?BS44325 said:
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.dignin said:
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.BS44325 said:
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.dignin said:
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.mrussel1 said:
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.dignin said:I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
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It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
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Your preferred candidate promoted that line of thinking repeatedly for years, professor. And you're defending him to this day. So yea, I call it as I see it. I guess the truth hurts.BS44325 said:
When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.BS44325 said:
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemupmrussel1 said:
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?BS44325 said:
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.dignin said:
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.BS44325 said:
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.dignin said:
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.mrussel1 said:
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.dignin said:I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
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What Nunes did might not be illegal (although leaking might be). Probably unethical. Certainly highly irregular. He doesn't work for the Trump administration. He heads an important committee in a separate and independent branch of the government. You may not consider yourself a Trump supporter but you spend an inordinate amount of time defending his (and his supporters') bad behavior.BS44325 said:
This isn't subverting the process. If the President and/or his people are being illegally unmasked by the Obama admin and/or Obama admin holdovers to create public chaos then there are national security implications and the President needs to know immediately. There is no rule that info has to go to Schiff first. The other shoe is dropping.jeffbr said:Sounds like Nunes has shared info with the White House before it was shared in committee. That has caused Schiff to talk about an independent investigation. Nunes has really fucked this up, because people aren't buying his bullshit anymore. First he was more concerned about the leaks than the Trump/Russia collusion. Now he's actively subverting the process. And now Schiff is saying that the evidence they've seen for the collusion goes beyond circumstantial: "I don’t want to go into specifics, but I will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial and is very much worthy of investigation." Fuck Trump.
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Oh please don't make me go into Scooter Libby again. Please. Please. Libby was charged with perjury. He was not the leaker. Richard Armitage was the leaker. He was not charged because he committed no crime. Revealing her name did not turn out to be a crime. Shhh. I know. We're not supposed to talk about Armitage.mrussel1 said:
You are missing an important point.. the only 'crime' that could have been committed here is the revealing of the Flynn issue to a reporter. This presumably happened AFTER Jan 20th. The fact that members of the intelligence community knew that Flynn was picked up in surveillance would not have been illegal to have that information for those with top secret intelligence access. Unmasking within the intelligence community IS NOT ILLEGAL. There should be a clear purpose, but it is not a crime.BS44325 said:
Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.mrussel1 said:
Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.BS44325 said:
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemupmrussel1 said:
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?BS44325 said:
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.dignin said:
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.BS44325 said:
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.dignin said:
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.mrussel1 said:
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.dignin said:I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
So if the revealing to the reporter happened after inauguration, it was likely by a career official. It's possible it was a political appointee, but I guess we will find out. Either way, Scooter Libby did something similar during teh Bush administration, as you well know, and that was not Watergate 2.0 was it? Was Bush impeached? So I'm trying to figure out how Obama gets impeached out of this scenario. Oh wait.. he can't. Therefore by definition.. not Watergate 2.0.
Now I shall never discuss that again.
As for the rest of your post you are missing what now "might" be a second crime. Again Nunes was vague but he suggested that additional incidental surveillance was included in intelligence reports with subjects names unmasked. These names should not have been in these reports and these reports should not have been widely disseminated. There is also the massive question as to what made this surveillance legal if it had nothing to do with Russia? What were these warrants about? Were there even warrants at all? Was the Obama administration intentionally casting a wide net to trap Trump in anything they could find? If this is what occurred then it puts the previous administration in a terrible light. There will of course be no impeachement...that is not the goal...but those who abused the surveillance process will have to be prosecuted. It is government abuse of surveillance that makes it Watergate 2.0...impeachment will not be necessary.
Addendum - based on the "wire tapped Trump Tower" tweet and based on the vague Nunes comments I wonder how the type of phone system that runs lines all through Trump Tower apply under the law. According to Nunes the new material has nothing to do with Russia but maybe FISA granted a warrant to listen to someone who worked within Trump Tower and via that warrant can actually gather info on any individual who lives/works within the tower. This is where technology and the law intersect and there is theoretically a way where intelligence can "legally" look at more then they really should. Just a thought.0 -
I guarantee, 100 percent, you've put far more thought into all this than Trump, Nunes or anybody else. Maybe they should hire you.BS44325 said:
Oh please don't make me go into Scooter Libby again. Please. Please. Libby was charged with perjury. He was not the leaker. Richard Armitage was the leaker. He was not charged because he committed no crime. Revealing her name did not turn out to be a crime. Shhh. I know. We're not supposed to talk about Armitage.mrussel1 said:
You are missing an important point.. the only 'crime' that could have been committed here is the revealing of the Flynn issue to a reporter. This presumably happened AFTER Jan 20th. The fact that members of the intelligence community knew that Flynn was picked up in surveillance would not have been illegal to have that information for those with top secret intelligence access. Unmasking within the intelligence community IS NOT ILLEGAL. There should be a clear purpose, but it is not a crime.BS44325 said:
Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.mrussel1 said:
Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.BS44325 said:
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemupmrussel1 said:
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?BS44325 said:
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.dignin said:
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.BS44325 said:
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.dignin said:
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.mrussel1 said:
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.dignin said:I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
So if the revealing to the reporter happened after inauguration, it was likely by a career official. It's possible it was a political appointee, but I guess we will find out. Either way, Scooter Libby did something similar during teh Bush administration, as you well know, and that was not Watergate 2.0 was it? Was Bush impeached? So I'm trying to figure out how Obama gets impeached out of this scenario. Oh wait.. he can't. Therefore by definition.. not Watergate 2.0.
Now I shall never discuss that again.
As for the rest of your post you are missing what now "might" be a second crime. Again Nunes was vague but he suggested that additional incidental surveillance was included in intelligence reports with subjects names unmasked. These names should not have been in these reports and these reports should not have been widely disseminated. There is also the massive question as to what made this surveillance legal if it had nothing to do with Russia? What were these warrants about? Were there even warrants at all? Was the Obama administration intentionally casting a wide net to trap Trump in anything they could find? If this is what occurred then it puts the previous administration in a terrible light. There will of course be no impeachement...that is not the goal...but those who abused the surveillance process will have to be prosecuted. It is government abuse of surveillance that makes it Watergate 2.0...impeachment will not be necessary.
Addendum - based on the "wire tapped Trump Tower" tweet and based on the vague Nunes comments I wonder how the type of phone system that runs lines all through Trump Tower apply under the law. According to Nunes the new material has nothing to do with Russia but maybe FISA granted a warrant to listen to someone who worked within Trump Tower and via that warrant can actually gather info on any individual who lives/works within the tower. This is where technology and the law intersect and there is theoretically a way where intelligence can "legally" look at more then they really should. Just a thought.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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Sorry but I think your analysis of Nunes is an emotional response. What makes showing evidence to Trump illegal, unethical, and/or irregular? Trump has the highest classification and is entitled to see it. It would actually be unethical to withhold it from him. Sharing evidence with Trump that Nunes will also share with his committee doesn't make him any less able to do his job. It as if you are all mad that there might be information to back up Trump's claim. I mean god forbid Trump is right! We can't have that! And if at a minimum he is right he shouldn't know! And definitely the public shouldn't know either!jeffbr said:
What Nunes did might not be illegal (although leaking might be). Probably unethical. Certainly highly irregular. He doesn't work for the Trump administration. He heads an important committee in a separate and independent branch of the government. You may not consider yourself a Trump supporter but you spend an inordinate amount of time defending his (and his supporters') bad behavior.BS44325 said:
This isn't subverting the process. If the President and/or his people are being illegally unmasked by the Obama admin and/or Obama admin holdovers to create public chaos then there are national security implications and the President needs to know immediately. There is no rule that info has to go to Schiff first. The other shoe is dropping.jeffbr said:Sounds like Nunes has shared info with the White House before it was shared in committee. That has caused Schiff to talk about an independent investigation. Nunes has really fucked this up, because people aren't buying his bullshit anymore. First he was more concerned about the leaks than the Trump/Russia collusion. Now he's actively subverting the process. And now Schiff is saying that the evidence they've seen for the collusion goes beyond circumstantial: "I don’t want to go into specifics, but I will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial and is very much worthy of investigation." Fuck Trump.
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My point on Libbie or Armitage is that there was anactualactual leak and public unmasking by Novak and yet it wasn't Watergate for the sitting president. So this is hardly watergate for Obama.
And yes, great question you raised. Why were the Trump people talking to people who were under legal surveillance unaffiliated with Russians? That can't be good for Trump. Hard to believe they want that in the public view.
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The irony of a trump supporter crying "Obama Obama Obama" as the noose gets tighter around Herr Trump's fat neck is so rich, and not at all unexpected or surprising.
I have a feeling it's going to be a wild few weeks here in the US.
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I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
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What was that about no more headlines? What was that about brilliance? Damn right, follow the money. But, but, but Obama, Obama, Obama. Or was it Hillary?Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
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Once the sworn testimonies begin, it's all over.Halifax2TheMax said:
What was that about no more headlines? What was that about brilliance? Damn right, follow the money. But, but, but Obama, Obama, Obama. Or was it Hillary?Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
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Which administration is more likely to have conducted illegal activities?
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees
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The time is approaching where republican leaders and their fan boys will be faced with thr choice. They can follow their original instinct and reject the clown show reality star and his operatives... or they can keep digging in and muttering "obama" to themselves (nobody buys that theory outside the gullible, wishful thinking Trumpettes). This will erode and eventually destroy any credibility the republican party has as a whole, as well as an individual basis.0
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Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
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Ducking questions regarding off shore accounts and Treasury investigators having evidence of offshore account activity are completely different things.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
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Distort, distract, deflect. Brilliantly.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Yes! Reject or be destroyed!MayDay10 said:The time is approaching where republican leaders and their fan boys will be faced with thr choice. They can follow their original instinct and reject the clown show reality star and his operatives... or they can keep digging in and muttering "obama" to themselves (nobody buys that theory outside the gullible, wishful thinking Trumpettes). This will erode and eventually destroy any credibility the republican party has as a whole, as well as an individual basis.
We've been hearing the same thing since Trump went down the escalator.
What you don't understand yet people with a conservative bent do is that this onslaught against Trump would have been used against any potential GOP president. It is what the left and democratic party does. Every conservative is Hitler. Every conservative must be destroyed. The republican base has no love affair with Trump the man but they recognize that nobody else has the ability to withstand the onslaught.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/22/how-many-trump-voters-really-regret-their-votes/?utm_term=.8fa65ff69b58
The rejection won't come as long as he keeps pushing forward on his agenda. The democrats have no agenda. They have become the thing they hated the most...Joe McCarthy Incorporated...they will not change a vote that way.0 -
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
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As the Koch brothers offer bribes to vote no on Ryannoncare and Trump's signature campaign promise goes down in flames. And the indictments start getting drawn up, Herr comrade.BS44325 said:
Yes! Reject or be destroyed!MayDay10 said:The time is approaching where republican leaders and their fan boys will be faced with thr choice. They can follow their original instinct and reject the clown show reality star and his operatives... or they can keep digging in and muttering "obama" to themselves (nobody buys that theory outside the gullible, wishful thinking Trumpettes). This will erode and eventually destroy any credibility the republican party has as a whole, as well as an individual basis.
We've been hearing the same thing since Trump went down the escalator.
What you don't understand yet people with a conservative bent do is that this onslaught against Trump would have been used against any potential GOP president. It is what the left and democratic party does. Every conservative is Hitler. Every conservative must be destroyed. The republican base has no love affair with Trump the man but they recognize that nobody else has the ability to withstand the onslaught.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/22/how-many-trump-voters-really-regret-their-votes/?utm_term=.8fa65ff69b58
The rejection won't come as long as he keeps pushing forward on his agenda. The democrats have no agenda. They have become the thing they hated the most...Joe McCarthy Incorporated...they will not change a vote that way.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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