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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.

    "The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
    Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
    We are talking about post-election surveillance during the transition period to harm an incoming administration that wasn't expected to win. That is when the intelligence sharing rules were changed to allow for greater dissemination. Try to keep up. Please. It is like you are barely informed of what is being discussed. It is becoming excruciatingly painful.
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  • my2hands
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.

    "The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
    Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
    Gotta say I think this is spot on
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.

    "The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
    Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
    We are talking about post-election surveillance during the transition period to harm an incoming administration that wasn't expected to win. That is when the intelligence sharing rules were changed to allow for greater dissemination. Try to keep up. Please. It is like you are barely informed of what is being discussed. It is becoming excruciatingly painful.
    Oh please. Both campaigns were being investigated in July yet only one was exposed. You act like I'm not keeping up. Please, your theories are not brilliant, comrade.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Nunes = another republican setting his career on fire for the bafoon

    I love it
  • BS44325
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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.

    BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
    Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
    You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.

    You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
    We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
    This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?

    I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
    There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.

    "The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
    Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
    We are talking about post-election surveillance during the transition period to harm an incoming administration that wasn't expected to win. That is when the intelligence sharing rules were changed to allow for greater dissemination. Try to keep up. Please. It is like you are barely informed of what is being discussed. It is becoming excruciatingly painful.
    Now you assume to know "motivation?" Wow. Do you have a direct line to Spicer?
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  • BS44325
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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
    It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
    Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
  • my2hands
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    if, if, if...

    If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle
  • mrussel1
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    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.

    BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
    Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
    You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.

    You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
    We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
    This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?

    I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
    There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
    Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
  • BS44325
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    my2hands said:

    if, if, if...

    If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

    These days that is not actually true.
  • slightofjeff
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    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
    It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
    Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
    I'm not even trying to be incendiary here at all. I mean that. Seriously. I come in peace.

    But what on God's green earth would lead you to believe the Trump camp has evidence to back up more or less anything they say? I don't understand the blind willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lied, constantly, on all manner of topics large and small.

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  • mfc2006
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    my2hands said:

    if, if, if...

    If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

    LOL!!!
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  • BS44325
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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.

    BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
    Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
    You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.

    You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
    We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
    This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?

    I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
    There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
    Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
    Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.
  • slightofjeff
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    He's right about one thing. This is definitely starting to smell like Watergate 2.0.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    my2hands said:

    if, if, if...

    If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    slightofjeff said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
    It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
    Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
    I'm not even trying to be incendiary here at all. I mean that. Seriously. I come in peace.

    But what on God's green earth would lead you to believe the Trump camp has evidence to back up more or less anything they say? I don't understand the blind willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lied, constantly, on all manner of topics large and small.

    If Donald Trump told me the sky was blue, I would have to look up to make sure.
    As I have said before I am open to Trump being full of shit. I am also equally open to people within the Obama administration abusing surveillance powers to harm an incoming administration they oppose. They have abused surveillance powers before. They have a track record. They are not angels. Follow that with the Flynn phone call. The Mexican President phone call. The Australian Prime Minister phone call. Lots of "incidental" surveillance floating around. The AMT used to be outraged by government data collection capabilities. That a government might one day use it against their opponents. Is the AMT suggesting that this behaviour can only possibly occur under a Republican administration?

    Mother should I trust the government?

    NO!!!
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,952
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.

    BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
    Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
    You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.

    You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
    We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
    This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?

    I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
    There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
    Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

    It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?

    Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,876
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    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.

    BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
    Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
    You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.

    You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
    We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
    This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?

    I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
    There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
    Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
    Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.
    You are missing an important point.. the only 'crime' that could have been committed here is the revealing of the Flynn issue to a reporter. This presumably happened AFTER Jan 20th. The fact that members of the intelligence community knew that Flynn was picked up in surveillance would not have been illegal to have that information for those with top secret intelligence access. Unmasking within the intelligence community IS NOT ILLEGAL. There should be a clear purpose, but it is not a crime.

    So if the revealing to the reporter happened after inauguration, it was likely by a career official. It's possible it was a political appointee, but I guess we will find out. Either way, Scooter Libby did something similar during teh Bush administration, as you well know, and that was not Watergate 2.0 was it? Was Bush impeached? So I'm trying to figure out how Obama gets impeached out of this scenario. Oh wait.. he can't. Therefore by definition.. not Watergate 2.0.

  • slightofjeff
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    BS44325 said:

    slightofjeff said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
    It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
    Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
    I'm not even trying to be incendiary here at all. I mean that. Seriously. I come in peace.

    But what on God's green earth would lead you to believe the Trump camp has evidence to back up more or less anything they say? I don't understand the blind willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lied, constantly, on all manner of topics large and small.

    If Donald Trump told me the sky was blue, I would have to look up to make sure.
    As I have said before I am open to Trump being full of shit.
    Well at least you're open-minded.

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    dignin said:

    I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.

    I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
    Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.

    BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
    Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
    You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.

    You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
    We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
    This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?

    I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
    There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
    Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

    It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?

    Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
    When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.
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