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Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
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I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Why is Clinton's opinion any less important than anyone elses? Do you think her political career is over?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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They don't matter to the 60 million who didn't vote for her and she was a divisive candidate as well. I voted for her, but I cringe whenever she makes a comment because she is not helping democrats and is definitely not going to appeal to any conservative no matter what she says.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
She needs to come out on the record and say she is not going to run again.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
Then I think her words would have more weight.0 -
I'm not sure why I think this, as it is based on no knowledge at all, but I have this feeling she is going to try again. I sincerely hope she doesn't, as then we'll end up with President Duke or something.dignin said:
She needs to come out on the record and say she is not going to run again.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
Then I think her words would have more weight.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
There have been plenty of failed runs by centrists. Even if there were not democrats or republicans, there will still be liberals and conservatives. Maybe some alien overloard? With the new technological advancements in AI, maybe it will be John Connor?Degeneratefk said:
I do think that person exists. That person however, is not a Democrat or a republican. He/she will show up sometime in the next year or soPJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.0 -
I think her career is over. It needs to be. She had a couple of good runs but couldn't close it out. I'm afraid if she runs again, she will make a mockery of herself. The Dems are moving to the left and that's not a good formula for a Clinton agenda.Degeneratefk said:
Why is Clinton's opinion any less important than anyone elses? Do you think her political career is over?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.0 -
I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.
I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
the problem is, the closer you are to one side or the other, the more passion you seem to have for your cause. it's the middle 200 million that need to be energized, but how do you engage people that are wishy washy to begin with?PJPOWER said:
There have been plenty of failed runs by centrists. The problem are the "wingers" of either side. Even if there were not democrats or republicans, there will still be liberals and conservatives. Maybe some alien overloard? With the new technological advancements in AI, maybe it will be John Connor?Degeneratefk said:
I do think that person exists. That person however, is not a Democrat or a republican. He/she will show up sometime in the next year or soPJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
For the good of the planet she needs to officially throw in the towel already. I think she still has a place and voice...kinda like Gore does. Take on a positive roll.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure why I think this, as it is based on no knowledge at all, but I have this feeling she is going to try again. I sincerely hope she doesn't, as then we'll end up with President Duke or something.dignin said:
She needs to come out on the record and say she is not going to run again.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
Then I think her words would have more weight.
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Yep. She needs to dial back criticism though because it comes off as petty considering she lost the election. Positive contributions and support are where she should focus her attention.dignin said:
For the good of the planet she needs to officially throw in the towel already. I think she still has a place and voice...kinda like Gore does. Take on a positive roll.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure why I think this, as it is based on no knowledge at all, but I have this feeling she is going to try again. I sincerely hope she doesn't, as then we'll end up with President Duke or something.dignin said:
She needs to come out on the record and say she is not going to run again.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
Then I think her words would have more weight.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Why is Clinton's opinion any less important than anyone elses? Do you think her political career is over?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
As opposed to the 63 million that did vote for her?tbergs said:
They don't matter to the 60 million who didn't vote for her and she was a divisive candidate as well. I voted for her, but I cringe whenever she makes a comment because she is not helping democrats and is definitely not going to appeal to any conservative no matter what she says.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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Yes, her political career should be over. I don't want to derail this thread, but my point was that those 60 million people were willing to choose Donald Trump over her. That's telling and troubling and indicative of how little support and approval she would have. Like I said, I voted for her and would have much preferred her, but we can't turn back the clock here. Forward thinking. She needs to be doing the same.Degeneratefk said:
Why is Clinton's opinion any less important than anyone elses? Do you think her political career is over?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
As opposed to the 63 million that did vote for her?tbergs said:
They don't matter to the 60 million who didn't vote for her and she was a divisive candidate as well. I voted for her, but I cringe whenever she makes a comment because she is not helping democrats and is definitely not going to appeal to any conservative no matter what she says.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
That doesn't make any sense....she got more votes. I guess using your logic Trump shouldn't run again?tbergs said:
Yes, her political career should be over. I don't want to derail this thread, but my point was that those 60 million people were willing to choose Donald Trump over her. That's telling and troubling and indicative of how little support and approval she would have. Like I said, I voted for her and would have much preferred her, but we can't turn back the clock here. Forward thinking. She needs to be doing the same.Degeneratefk said:
Why is Clinton's opinion any less important than anyone elses? Do you think her political career is over?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
As opposed to the 63 million that did vote for her?tbergs said:
They don't matter to the 60 million who didn't vote for her and she was a divisive candidate as well. I voted for her, but I cringe whenever she makes a comment because she is not helping democrats and is definitely not going to appeal to any conservative no matter what she says.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
I can't imagine any situation where she would run again. This is just fake news.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Maybe you have someone like Trump win the presidency and scare the shit out of everyone into realizing that they should probably get out and vote if they do not want someone like him in office again? LolHughFreakingDillon said:
the problem is, the closer you are to one side or the other, the more passion you seem to have for your cause. it's the middle 200 million that need to be energized, but how do you engage people that are wishy washy to begin with?PJPOWER said:
There have been plenty of failed runs by centrists. The problem are the "wingers" of either side. Even if there were not democrats or republicans, there will still be liberals and conservatives. Maybe some alien overloard? With the new technological advancements in AI, maybe it will be John Connor?Degeneratefk said:
I do think that person exists. That person however, is not a Democrat or a republican. He/she will show up sometime in the next year or soPJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.0 -
If only he wouldn't run again. We had an election where people used the vote for one party as a vote against the other party at what seems like an unprecedented rate.Gern Blansten said:
That doesn't make any sense....she got more votes. I guess using your logic Trump shouldn't run again?tbergs said:
Yes, her political career should be over. I don't want to derail this thread, but my point was that those 60 million people were willing to choose Donald Trump over her. That's telling and troubling and indicative of how little support and approval she would have. Like I said, I voted for her and would have much preferred her, but we can't turn back the clock here. Forward thinking. She needs to be doing the same.Degeneratefk said:
Why is Clinton's opinion any less important than anyone elses? Do you think her political career is over?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
As opposed to the 63 million that did vote for her?tbergs said:
They don't matter to the 60 million who didn't vote for her and she was a divisive candidate as well. I voted for her, but I cringe whenever she makes a comment because she is not helping democrats and is definitely not going to appeal to any conservative no matter what she says.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
I can't imagine any situation where she would run again. This is just fake news.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
she now has two failed white house bids. time to hang it up.Gern Blansten said:
That doesn't make any sense....she got more votes. I guess using your logic Trump shouldn't run again?tbergs said:
Yes, her political career should be over. I don't want to derail this thread, but my point was that those 60 million people were willing to choose Donald Trump over her. That's telling and troubling and indicative of how little support and approval she would have. Like I said, I voted for her and would have much preferred her, but we can't turn back the clock here. Forward thinking. She needs to be doing the same.Degeneratefk said:
Why is Clinton's opinion any less important than anyone elses? Do you think her political career is over?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
As opposed to the 63 million that did vote for her?tbergs said:
They don't matter to the 60 million who didn't vote for her and she was a divisive candidate as well. I voted for her, but I cringe whenever she makes a comment because she is not helping democrats and is definitely not going to appeal to any conservative no matter what she says.HughFreakingDillon said:
I agree that she should be done, but saying "her opinions do not matter" is a bit harsh. how does her opinion not matter but ours do?tbergs said:
Agreed. And at this point, I don't want Clinton in there so the whole do-over thing would not work. She needs to stop commenting on things and remain quiet. Her time is over and her opinions do not matter. Extreme vetting of all successors if the president is taken down is the only solution to ensure integrity of the appointee. Again, this is if Trump or Pence (highly unlikely) both are implicated and proven to be involved with the Russia election debacle.PJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
I can't imagine any situation where she would run again. This is just fake news.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
that's what I'm hoping will happen, but I don't know. I never thought Trump had a chance in hell to win, and he did, so it kind of turns everything I think I know upside down. As I also see a rise in racist rhetoric and people approving of this travel ban, which I would have hoped wouldn't happen.PJPOWER said:
Maybe you have someone like Trump win the presidency and scare the shit out of everyone into realizing that they should probably get out and vote if they do not want someone like him in office again? LolHughFreakingDillon said:
the problem is, the closer you are to one side or the other, the more passion you seem to have for your cause. it's the middle 200 million that need to be energized, but how do you engage people that are wishy washy to begin with?PJPOWER said:
There have been plenty of failed runs by centrists. The problem are the "wingers" of either side. Even if there were not democrats or republicans, there will still be liberals and conservatives. Maybe some alien overloard? With the new technological advancements in AI, maybe it will be John Connor?Degeneratefk said:
I do think that person exists. That person however, is not a Democrat or a republican. He/she will show up sometime in the next year or soPJPOWER said:
The question for the ages. I'm not sure such a person exists in today's heated political climate...tbergs said:
I don't know that the country would be able to survive that type of scenario. Any confirmation of that coming to light will be much worse for this country than anything Trump can and will do himself. Unless Trump outright admitted complicity, our country would be thrown in to chaos at all levels. There would be civil unrest. Who would step forward to unify everyone that actually could appeal to both sides?vaggar99 said:
initially, right after the election, i though Pence would be a good compromise. My way of telling myself that 'see, vaggar99 doesn't hate all Republicans'. At that time I was somewhat unaware of Trump's complete inability to be an employee of anyone but himself. Now with the odds looking 50/50 that Trump is gone sooner than later, I am actually having to accept that I might get my wish.ledvedderman said:
Now you're talking sense, my friend, in regards to your last line there.vaggar99 said:
Pence is not a good option. He's the real objective of all of this. Republicans know that he would not campaign effectively and thus be elected. Trump they know is a moron, but was the vessel required to win the election. It might be best just to keep Trump around all 4 years and oust him in the next election.Jason P said:Once Trump and his merry band of idiots go down, everyone realizes that Pence takes over and that is when the GOP really starts steamrolling, right? Pence can be controlled. I imagine Ryan is banking on this scenario.
The fact that it's a toss up between Trump's absolute incompetence and Pence's complete lack of humanity shows what a real boondoggle we are in here.
I am gonna out on the crazy, but I think Dems are justified in asking for a new election if indeed the Russian involvement runs as deep as it was spelled out in the Steele dossier. It's not acceptable for Republicans to steal elections.
Also, I see all these protests and stuff, but how many are those are ones who cast no vote in this last election? My guess would be slim and none.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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