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pjhawks said:

JK_Livin said:

pjhawks said:

JK_Livin said:

Keep those blinders on and think we'd been in this same position or better without Hinkie. Like I said, nothing is guaranteed but it sure looks promising. I like what Colangelo has done so far. Nobody bats a 1.000%

Hinkie wasn't the 1st gm to tank to get his team better draft picks. he was just the 1st to do it for 5 years and tell the world how smart he was.

Of course he wasn't. Never said he was. Enjoy not enjoying the games.

what are you talking about? i already said it was fun cheering for a team that is actually trying to win and is playing inspired basketball. its been a long time coming. Not sure that would be the case if Hinkie was still here though. he'd most likely be playing Embiid even less, would not have made the Ilysova trade, and would guarantee Simmons would sit the full year.

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

He was the only gm in the history of the game to risk his job security for three years in hopes of making the franchise better for the long term. Huge amount of guts to do that. And kudos to Josh Harris for taking the short term losses in ticket sales/revenue for the overall betterment of the franchise.

Any other gm who tanked for the first year and missed out on Wiggins would've taken Aaron Gordon, Dante Exum or Marcus Smart etc and put this team right back into the sludge of mediocrity they were in for most of the last 15 years. Hinkie? Nah, he just selected someone who is drawing comparisons to some of the greatest centers to ever play the game. God bless him.

As I have said multiple times, I generally agreed with the philosophy. That said, your first paragraph is kinda contradictory, no? The guy wasn't risking his job security because as you say, Josh Harris was all in on it. The guy got the organization to buy in on the value of draft picks over an extended period of time. That's it. You're not risking your job if the bosses are aligned...

Edit: In fact, I'd say he had more job security over that time frame than any GM in the league as there was basically nothing to grade him on...

Cliff....not fully 3 years in, he was forced out of his job. It literally cost him his job security.

Just because you get the ownership group to buy in initially, doesn't mean a year, two years, three years down the line they will still be on board, especially with Adam Silver in Harris' ear about how bad it looks to the league.

I give Harris all the credit in the world for the amount of time he gave him. I wish he wouldn't have caved last year.....but I get it. At least they didn't abandon the same philosophy though.

But that's no different than anyone else then. You take a risk signing a big free agent and it doesn't work out, you're on the line. You draft the wrong players and you're on the line. Every GM risks their job security with every personnel decision they make. The organization was all in on tanking for a while and then caved to pressure. As far in as the Sixers were, he was very safe for a number of years, is what I'm saying.

Hinke took it to the next level, but let's not act like this is revolutionary or he is some genius. He should get credit for the success of these players, but the main thing he should get credit for is selling the strategy to the organization long term.

Edit: This is largely semantics, but the Hinke circle gets annoying

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

The Juggler said:

He was the only gm in the history of the game to risk his job security for three years in hopes of making the franchise better for the long term. Huge amount of guts to do that. And kudos to Josh Harris for taking the short term losses in ticket sales/revenue for the overall betterment of the franchise.

Any other gm who tanked for the first year and missed out on Wiggins would've taken Aaron Gordon, Dante Exum or Marcus Smart etc and put this team right back into the sludge of mediocrity they were in for most of the last 15 years. Hinkie? Nah, he just selected someone who is drawing comparisons to some of the greatest centers to ever play the game. God bless him.

As I have said multiple times, I generally agreed with the philosophy. That said, your first paragraph is kinda contradictory, no? The guy wasn't risking his job security because as you say, Josh Harris was all in on it. The guy got the organization to buy in on the value of draft picks over an extended period of time. That's it. You're not risking your job if the bosses are aligned...

Edit: In fact, I'd say he had more job security over that time frame than any GM in the league as there was basically nothing to grade him on...

Cliff....not fully 3 years in, he was forced out of his job. It literally cost him his job security.

Just because you get the ownership group to buy in initially, doesn't mean a year, two years, three years down the line they will still be on board, especially with Adam Silver in Harris' ear about how bad it looks to the league.

I give Harris all the credit in the world for the amount of time he gave him. I wish he wouldn't have caved last year.....but I get it. At least they didn't abandon the same philosophy though.

But that's no different than anyone else then. You take a risk signing a big free agent and it doesn't work out, you're on the line. You draft the wrong players and you're on the line. Every GM risks their job security with every personnel decision they make. The organization was all in on tanking for a while and then caved to pressure. As far in as the Sixers were, he was very safe for a number of years, is what I'm saying.

Hinke took it to the next level, but let's not act like this is revolutionary or he is some genius. He should get credit for the success of these players, but the main thing he should get credit for is selling the strategy to the organization long term.

Edit: This is largely semantics, but the Hinke circle gets annoying

Agree with you on it being largely semantics. I never called him revolutionary. I just admired him for sticking with this plan no matter how messy and tough it got. And now we are finally seeing results.



The Hinkie circle might be annoying to you......but they were right.

wait, first off they are 17-27 so hold the breaks on them being right just yet. Secondly we were promised the process would bring a championship caliber team. until that happens it's really unfair to say they were right.

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

JK_Livin said:

pjhawks said:

JK_Livin said:

Keep those blinders on and think we'd been in this same position or better without Hinkie. Like I said, nothing is guaranteed but it sure looks promising. I like what Colangelo has done so far. Nobody bats a 1.000%

Hinkie wasn't the 1st gm to tank to get his team better draft picks. he was just the 1st to do it for 5 years and tell the world how smart he was.

Of course he wasn't. Never said he was. Enjoy not enjoying the games.

what are you talking about? i already said it was fun cheering for a team that is actually trying to win and is playing inspired basketball. its been a long time coming. Not sure that would be the case if Hinkie was still here though. he'd most likely be playing Embiid even less, would not have made the Ilysova trade, and would guarantee Simmons would sit the full year.

A year ago this guy was saying Saric would never come here and Embiid would never be healthy. The success this team is having right now, and is set up for in the coming years is directly attributed to the position Hinkie put this team in.

alternate facts again. i never said either of those things. I said Saric was not likely to come this year because he was leaving so much money on the table. like almost everyone, including most respected NBA media, we always figured he would wait one more year. Financially not a good move for him to come this year. As for Embiid I said he was the right choice at #3 that year but that it was a huge risk because of his health. he is still a huge risk or did you forget that you are ok with him only playing 28 minutes and not a second more or playing back to backs because of you know his health?

Cliffy6745 said:

No one knows if Embiid can stay healthy. It's not exactly a hot take to say a big man with foot problems is going to have health issues.

pjhawks said:

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

No one knows if Embiid can stay healthy. It's not exactly a hot take to say a big man with foot problems is going to have health issues.

It becomes a hot take when you categorically state he will never be healthy and to not expect any contribution from him at all. Also funny to see him say he's not worth an additional 13 wins.

IF he was healthy would there be a minutes restriciiton? If he was healthy would he be playing in back to backs? If he was healthy would he have played one of the last two games? again too early to call on his health.

i've admitted before it's shocking how good Embiid has been so far which I think you agree with. No one saw him being this good this year after a 2 year layoff. it's one of the most stunning things we've seen around here.

I am must glad you've finally learned to spell his name.

and no never said they needed to be championship caliber this year. the process to have worked needs to produce that type of team eventually. right now they are what 4 years in and still at 17-27. Long way to go to call the process a success. long long way.