President Elect Trump

Go Beavers · December 2016

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.

BS44325 · December 2016

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.

The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.

Gern Blansten · December 2016

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.
The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.

Obamacare was the GOP plan. Championed by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. Romney publicly hoped that Obama would go the route of the individual mandate right up until the time Obama went the route of the individual mandate.

You're really wrong on this one.

BS44325 · December 2016

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.
The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.
Obamacare was the GOP plan. Championed by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. Romney publicly hoped that Obama would go the route of the individual mandate right up until the time Obama went the route of the individual mandate.

You're really wrong on this one.

You keep telling yourself that. At most you can say it was the "Romney Plan" (although he would disagree with you) but Romney was rejected by the GOP in favour of McCain and the entire GOP rejected Obamacare since inception. Romney won the primaries in a weak 2012 field in spite of his healthcare record and not because of it. That record hurt him with the base in the general. There is nothing centrist about a massive government boondoggle. If anything the preelection rise in Obamacare premiums along with the collapse of the exchanges cemented Trump's victory prior to Comey.

You're really wrong on this one.

Gern Blansten · December 2016

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/201489-romney-says-universal-healthcare-is-a-conservative-principle

yawn...

Edit: what "massive government boondoggle"? These are private insurers.

trees · December 2016

mattsl1983 said:
Suck it up. It is pathetic. Maybe because I'm that akward 33 year old that's always been conservative, but I'm not a huge trump supporter, but he is the president elect. Like it or not, the next four years will be our success, or our failure. Grow up, this is how the United States of America's government is set up. Seriously, don't protest now because your race horse lost. be an angry key board warrior, do yo thang as the cool kids say. But this is how our demacracy works, accept it. This isn't the first time a democrat lost the presidency to a republican. It might be in some of you melinials that still wave and wear a Che' flag or shirt. But it'll be alright.

OK I am not Going to suck it up I am going to protest and still fight back your advice sounds like you voted for this unman and pervert.youhave some weird way of thinking and seem to have missed the boat on being a good american.

InHiding80 · December 2016

trees said:

mattsl1983 said:
Suck it up. It is pathetic. Maybe because I'm that akward 33 year old that's always been conservative, but I'm not a huge trump supporter, but he is the president elect. Like it or not, the next four years will be our success, or our failure. Grow up, this is how the United States of America's government is set up. Seriously, don't protest now because your race horse lost. be an angry key board warrior, do yo thang as the cool kids say. But this is how our demacracy works, accept it. This isn't the first time a democrat lost the presidency to a republican. It might be in some of you melinials that still wave and wear a Che' flag or shirt. But it'll be alright.
OK I am not Going to suck it up I am going to protest and still fight back your advice sounds like you voted for this unman and pervert.youhave some weird way of thinking and seem to have missed the boat on being a good american.

Go Beavers · December 2016

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.
The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.

Elections aren't a good representation of society as a whole since voter turnout is so low. How would you have felt about a Bernie Sanders election day survey after he beat trump? All of your conclusions about the US being more conservative are false.

vaggar99 · December 2016

written 6 months ago. interesting and still relevant.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

BS44325 · December 2016

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.
The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.
Elections aren't a good representation of society as a whole since voter turnout is so low. How would you have felt about a Bernie Sanders election day survey after he beat trump? All of your conclusions about the US being more conservative are false.

The sample sizes on election day are larger then any poll and the Bernie Sanders scenerio you allude to only happened in your own mind.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2016

Hilarious for his gullibility. Triple H reveals that Trump contacted Vince McMahon to see if the limo explosion on Monday Night Raw was real or staged.

Good god this guy is thick.

Go Beavers · December 2016

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.
The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.
Elections aren't a good representation of society as a whole since voter turnout is so low. How would you have felt about a Bernie Sanders election day survey after he beat trump? All of your conclusions about the US being more conservative are false.
The sample sizes on election day are larger then any poll and the Bernie Sanders scenerio you allude to only happened in your own mind.

The sample size doesn't mean it represents the country as a whole. The people who vote aren't a valid representation of the country. Look up how scientific surveys are done with a sample size of 600-1000 people. And yes, the Sanders scenario happened in my mind obviously, but he would've won if nominated.

BS44325 · December 2016

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.
The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.
Elections aren't a good representation of society as a whole since voter turnout is so low. How would you have felt about a Bernie Sanders election day survey after he beat trump? All of your conclusions about the US being more conservative are false.
The sample sizes on election day are larger then any poll and the Bernie Sanders scenerio you allude to only happened in your own mind.
The sample size doesn't mean it represents the country as a whole. The people who vote aren't a valid representation of the country. Look up how scientific surveys are done with a sample size of 600-1000 people. And yes, the Sanders scenario happened in my mind obviously, but he would've won if nominated.

Right...so the people who vote aren't a valid representation of the country as a whole but a scientific survey of 600-1000 people is? Is that really your argument? Well unfortunately for you policy is made based on votes at the local/state level and based on the electoral college federally...your scientific surveys are academic and meaningless...except for the ones maybe that suggest Americans would never elect a socialist.

vaggar99 · December 2016

the last line is the best:
nytimes.com/2016/12/25/us/politics/fake-news-claims-conservatives-mainstream-media-.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Go Beavers · December 2016

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

ledvedderman said:
The problem is that both sides are being total fucking hypocrites in regards to how to treat the executive office.
Republicans feel Trump deserves support from both parties and a cooperative Congress when, in fact, they've denied President Obama any sort of respect since before he was inaugurated.
Democrats, after 8 years of saying the Republucans refuse to work with Obama, are now the ones talking impeachment and making sure Trump doesn't succeed.
It's ridiculous.
Obama's a centrist Democrat. Your point would be valid if trump was a centrist Republican, but he's not.
There is nothing about Obama from a policy perspective that is centrist. The whole concept of his centrism is actually an illusion being perpetuated to provide moral standing for his out of the mainstream positions. Obama is far left and the Democratic party followed him over that cliff. The electoral results at all levels of government over the last 8 years is the evidence and it will only get worse once the Dems are forced to wear yesterday's UN abstention in 2018.

This is the new center

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/12/23/daily-202-governors-lead-a-republican-renaissance-in-new-england/585c83ece9b69b36fcfeaf59/?utm_term=.2e03cbf96ccd&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Election results isn't evidence against the fact that Obama is a centrist. Actual policy shows he's a centrist. It looks like you're suggesting the country is moving to the right based on voting. This is also a poor way to gauge society. Looking at surveys that speak directly with people's attitudes about issues shows we're trending left and has more validity than trying to look at voting to confirm your already made conclusion.
The only survey that matters is the one that occurs on election day. Take a look at the red vs blue county map again and ask yourself again if Obama really governed to the center. There isn't a policy position you can name where Obama did not take the path on the left. Was Obamacare a centrist policy? The stimulus package? Immigration? Supreme Court nominees? Environmental policy? Social issues? The abstension at the UN? The list really is endless. You are living in a dream world if you think any of his "actions" on these issues are center and until the democrats embrace that reality then the election day surveys will continue to produce the same results.
Elections aren't a good representation of society as a whole since voter turnout is so low. How would you have felt about a Bernie Sanders election day survey after he beat trump? All of your conclusions about the US being more conservative are false.
The sample sizes on election day are larger then any poll and the Bernie Sanders scenerio you allude to only happened in your own mind.
The sample size doesn't mean it represents the country as a whole. The people who vote aren't a valid representation of the country. Look up how scientific surveys are done with a sample size of 600-1000 people. And yes, the Sanders scenario happened in my mind obviously, but he would've won if nominated.
Right...so the people who vote aren't a valid representation of the country as a whole but a scientific survey of 600-1000 people is? Is that really your argument? Well unfortunately for you policy is made based on votes at the local/state level and based on the electoral college federally...your scientific surveys are academic and meaningless...except for the ones maybe that suggest Americans would never elect a socialist.

The answer to your first question is yes. And policy isn't necessarily made based on votes, but who gets elected. And notice that a large number of trump voters also disagree with a lot of his policies, so the voters aren't a mirror like you're suggesting. And what surveys suggested Sanders would've lost to trump? Because all the ones I saw had him winning by about 12 points nationally.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · December 2016

The latest tweets from the American POTUS President Trump.
He sure can say a lot w/ so little words.
Pay attention to his tweets folks. The world has eight years of this.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/813498739923054593

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/813500123053490176

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/813527932165558273

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/813578484572450816

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/813581917215977473