At the end of the day... it's the band decision to invite him as a guest. And I'm fine with what they decide is best. We have no idea of the real back story. People accept conjecture as fact and assume a lot. The truth is we don't know what really happened. So we should leave it up to the 5 guys in the band to decide. They have the only opinion that counts.
100% spot on - all this nonsense about 'do the right thing' is only the opinion of people who think they know what the 'right thing' is.
No one here knows what went on behind the scenes, so if the guys in the band want to have him there as a guest, great. If not, great.
Dave A played on Vs and Vitaligy, was fired 22 years ago and contributed to a book that trashed Eddie. He was had some legal issues. He played in about 20% of the bands live shows, was he better than Matt, not even close. I'm sure the band will mention him during acceptance speech but move on. It's not the end of the world.
Also if Dave was so great and talented as his defenders claim, why didnt he land a decent gig after being fired? Some people around here act like he was the second coming of John Bonham.
David A. was the best drummer they had (IMO), no offense to Matt or any of the others, but it's not happening. Maybe if he didn't act like a child since being fired he would have been asked to join them on stage. I'd be surprised, but happy, if they did.
There is already a thread or two on this, no need to create more. And for God's sake find something to do other than worry about Dave fucking A. Good god, people!
There is already a thread or two on this, no need to create more. And for God's sake find something to other than worry about Dave fucking A. Good god, people!
I find that hard to believe. Eddie is a powerful person.
The RnR HOF voting committee chooses who gets in & who doesn't. This isn't new this year, and is usually a hot topic of debate every year (see Kiss, Blondie, Nirvana etc etc etc) - so no, Eddie had nothing to do with it.
(if he did though, he probably would have included Jack Irons considering what he did for this band)
I find that hard to believe. Eddie is a powerful person.
It's up to the Hall, not Eddie or anyone else that has anything to do with the band.
Yah but we all know if the band believes in something, there are things they were willing to do to try and saw opinion. To be fair maybe they have tried and maybe there's only so far they are willing to go. They did fire him, and they don't look back on that chapter very often. I imagine they wouldn't do anything crazy to get him there.
I do not think he is better or worse than other drummers but yeh Matt is the man now and Dave K was the man first that is there rules but yes they should say here are all the drummers from our last and read the list and give thanks Dave A has blown this up to much
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David A. was the best drummer they had (IMO), no offense to Matt or any of the others, but it's not happening. Maybe if he didn't act like a child since being fired he would have been asked to join them on stage. I'd be surprised, but happy, if they did.
Millions of dollars involved. Millions. We would all be pissed if we had an annuity of 1 million a year just taken from us. Band can do what it wants and we don't know the backstory, but I can understand why Dave A is still pissed.
At the end of the day... it's the band decision to invite him as a guest. And I'm fine with what they decide is best. We have no idea of the real back story. People accept conjecture as fact and assume a lot. The truth is we don't know what really happened. So we should leave it up to the 5 guys in the band to decide. They have the only opinion that counts.
100% spot on - all this nonsense about 'do the right thing' is only the opinion of people who think they know what the 'right thing' is.
No one here knows what went on behind the scenes, so if the guys in the band want to have him there as a guest, great. If not, great.
Enough of this 'do the right thing'.
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David A. was the best drummer they had (IMO), no offense to Matt or any of the others, but it's not happening. Maybe if he didn't act like a child since being fired he would have been asked to join them on stage. I'd be surprised, but happy, if they did.
Millions of dollars involved. Millions. We would all be pissed if we had an annuity of 1 million a year just taken from us. Band can do what it wants and we don't know the backstory, but I can understand why Dave A is still pissed.
If you don't know the backstory, then how can you understand why Dave is still pissed?
& who the f cares? The band obviously made the right decision, the last 22 years of success can't be argued with, no matter how much people love the guy.
The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
Abbruzzese is a guy who won the lottery. Had nothing to do with the band's most seminal album, rode the train for a few years, but couldn't adapt to, or understand how to navigate the personalities of the band he was lucky to be in. So he got booted.
That's how bands work.
He's overreacting to the HOF snub. It doesn't mean much in the grand scheme.
At Telluride, the band likely began its public (anyhow) reaching out to Abbruzzese in expectation of the HOF by playing his song "Angel" with Eddie acknowledging it was his song and sending positive thoughts to him. Remember, Abbruzzese has had his issues with the law recently.
And now, in his public reaction to the RRHOF's omission, he's been blowing it for himself again.
I want to feel sorry for him. But he's making it difficult.
I think it was last year, Jeff was asked about the possibility of a HOF induction. He talked about handling it "the right way." And not having all the drama some other bands have had. When I read that, I assumed they would be inviting Abbruzzese, Irons and Krusen - no matter who made the HOF's cut. Hopefully Dave doesn't blow that for himself.
The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
incorrect. for example, they only inducted the original 4 of Kiss. no current members that were not original. nirvana's original permanent drummer was Chad, who did not get inducted. the Hall decides on a case by case basis, and it never seems to make any sense.
Pearl Jam would get in with just the first 3 albums. Those were important albums at a time when the direction of music was changing. Also there are a lot of bands or artists that are in with only a few or less albums.
agreed. nirvana getting in had zero to do with kurt's death. nevermind cemented them getting in. he could have released 7 consecutive albums on accordian and they still would have been given the nod.
Thank you. Does no one remember the 90s? Nirvana blew through the airwaves with something completely different and impactful at a time where Paula Abdul, GnR, and Michael Jackson dominated radio. The impact Nevermind had was enough to get them in alone, the follow up albums just supported that.
You could say the same thing about Ten. As fans we have different opinions, but for non-fans, Ten is THE album they hold on to from Pearl Jam (maybe Vs. too). Ten had a huge impact on the music scene, those songs were all over the radio ad nauseam with real lyrics and issues people could connect to (compare to big showy rock al la GnR). The success of Vs and Vitaology as follow ups supported that. They could have thrown in the towel in 1994 and they'd still be getting in today. Just with Dave A. there too.
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The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
Those aren't the rules
Honestly, who gives a shit? "Pearl Jam" is getting in. Does it really matter if the Hall doesn't include a guy who played drums on two albums? Regardless of what members get inducted/invited, the band and its music are in. If that means Dave A to you, then that's all that matters. If it means Jack to you, that's all that matters. If it means all five to you, that's all that matters. This is silly to sit here and beat the dead horse over and over.
alright.... I propose we gather them all up you see... all the threads about Dave & Jack, we'll round 'em all up, and tuck 'em inside a box. Put 'em in that box and lock it up tight. Call it a Lock-Box if you will. Keep them in there so they are safe and warm over the holidays. It would be very strategeric.
The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
Those aren't the rules
Honestly, who gives a shit? "Pearl Jam" is getting in. Does it really matter if the Hall doesn't include a guy who played drums on two albums? Regardless of what members get inducted/invited, the band and its music are in. If that means Dave A to you, then that's all that matters. If it means Jack to you, that's all that matters. If it means all five to you, that's all that matters. This is silly to sit here and beat the dead horse over and over.
you made an incorrect statement, and he corrected it.
Abbruzzese is a guy who won the lottery. Had nothing to do with the band's most seminal album, rode the train for a few years, but couldn't adapt to, or understand how to navigate the personalities of the band he was lucky to be in. So he got booted.
That's how bands work.
You hit the nail on the head, let's stop the pity party already.
The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
Those aren't the rules
Honestly, who gives a shit? "Pearl Jam" is getting in. Does it really matter if the Hall doesn't include a guy who played drums on two albums? Regardless of what members get inducted/invited, the band and its music are in. If that means Dave A to you, then that's all that matters. If it means Jack to you, that's all that matters. If it means all five to you, that's all that matters. This is silly to sit here and beat the dead horse over and over.
you made an incorrect statement, and he corrected it.
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No one here knows what went on behind the scenes, so if the guys in the band want to have him there as a guest, great. If not, great.
Enough of this 'do the right thing'.
Also if Dave was so great and talented as his defenders claim, why didnt he land a decent gig after being fired? Some people around here act like he was the second coming of John Bonham.
IBTL..... again.
(if he did though, he probably would have included Jack Irons considering what he did for this band)
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PJ Cincinnatti OH 8/20/2000
PJ Columbus OH 8/21/2000
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PJ Hamilton Ontario 9/13/2005
PJ Phiadelphia PA 10/3/2005
PJ Cleveland OH 5/20/2006
PJ Columbia SC 6/16/2008.....
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e.V Bailtimore MD 6/14/2009...
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Soundgarden Columbus OH 5/20/2017 Canceled RIP Chris
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PJ St Louis Missouri 9/18/2022
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& who the f cares? The band obviously made the right decision, the last 22 years of success can't be argued with, no matter how much people love the guy.
Abbruzzese is a guy who won the lottery. Had nothing to do with the band's most seminal album, rode the train for a few years, but couldn't adapt to, or understand how to navigate the personalities of the band he was lucky to be in. So he got booted.
That's how bands work.
He's overreacting to the HOF snub. It doesn't mean much in the grand scheme.
At Telluride, the band likely began its public (anyhow) reaching out to Abbruzzese in expectation of the HOF by playing his song "Angel" with Eddie acknowledging it was his song and sending positive thoughts to him. Remember, Abbruzzese has had his issues with the law recently.
And now, in his public reaction to the RRHOF's omission, he's been blowing it for himself again.
I want to feel sorry for him. But he's making it difficult.
I think it was last year, Jeff was asked about the possibility of a HOF induction. He talked about handling it "the right way." And not having all the drama some other bands have had. When I read that, I assumed they would be inviting Abbruzzese, Irons and Krusen - no matter who made the HOF's cut. Hopefully Dave doesn't blow that for himself.
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You could say the same thing about Ten. As fans we have different opinions, but for non-fans, Ten is THE album they hold on to from Pearl Jam (maybe Vs. too). Ten had a huge impact on the music scene, those songs were all over the radio ad nauseam with real lyrics and issues people could connect to (compare to big showy rock al la GnR). The success of Vs and Vitaology as follow ups supported that. They could have thrown in the towel in 1994 and they'd still be getting in today. Just with Dave A. there too.
Call it a Lock-Box if you will. Keep them in there so they are safe and warm over the holidays.
It would be very strategeric.
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