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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Nice bit of news this morning.

    Black rights activist Viola Desmond to be 1st Canadian woman on $10 bill

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-banknote-woman-1.3885844
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    Nah, we'll be fine.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJ_Soul said:

    Nah, we'll be fine.

    I don't know about that. The article does show a direct correlation between her stupid comments, the media attention she gets because of them and then her rise in polling. I do think that by the time our next election rolls around Trump will have burned the states to the ground enough that Canadians will be afraid to go that route.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Remember, none of us thought Americans were stupid enough to elect Donald. We must be vigilant.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    edited December 2016
    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Nah, we'll be fine.

    I don't know about that. The article does show a direct correlation between her stupid comments, the media attention she gets because of them and then her rise in polling. I do think that by the time our next election rolls around Trump will have burned the states to the ground enough that Canadians will be afraid to go that route.
    Well if she wins the Conservative nomination, then that party is more out of touch than even I imagined. It would be a huge mistake. I think the majority of Conservative party members know that they could never win an election with her leading the party. Hell, even Harper knew that touching on issues like abortion wouldn't work, and he's a fundamentalist. Even if they all went nuts and did it, it would fuck their party up completely. Harper so badly lost the last election specifically because Canadians were reacting to his more right wing ideas, and most precisely because of the Islamophobia he started pushing leading up to election day. Leitch is a novelty, that's all. I almost hope the Conservative are that stupid and desperate to choose her as their leader though, because they will be shooting themselves in the foot (and yeah, I know some people said similar things about Trump, but it's really not the same. Canada is not on the same track as the US in this sense).
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Rona Ambrose is the next PM.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJ_Soul said:

    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Nah, we'll be fine.

    I don't know about that. The article does show a direct correlation between her stupid comments, the media attention she gets because of them and then her rise in polling. I do think that by the time our next election rolls around Trump will have burned the states to the ground enough that Canadians will be afraid to go that route.
    Well if she wins the Conservative nomination, then that party is more out of touch than even I imagined. It would be a huge mistake. I think the majority of Conservative party members know that they could never win an election with her leading the party. Hell, even Harper knew that touching on issues like abortion wouldn't work, and he's a fundamentalist. Even if they all went nuts and did it, it would fuck their party up completely. Harper so badly lost the last election specifically because Canadians were reacting to his more right wing ideas, and most precisely because of the Islamophobia he started pushing leading up to election day. Leitch is a novelty, that's all. I almost hope the Conservative are that stupid and desperate to choose her as their leader though, because they will be shooting themselves in the foot (and yeah, I know some people said similar things about Trump, but it's really not the same. Canada is not on the same track as the US in this sense).
    I like your optimism.

    And I hope you're right.

    If anyone needs to know anything about her, all you need to look at is the crocodile tears she had after her involvement in the barbaric practices hotline. Then she doubled down on that shit later when it could get her some attention. She has no class.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    edited December 2016
    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    dignin said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Nah, we'll be fine.

    I don't know about that. The article does show a direct correlation between her stupid comments, the media attention she gets because of them and then her rise in polling. I do think that by the time our next election rolls around Trump will have burned the states to the ground enough that Canadians will be afraid to go that route.
    Well if she wins the Conservative nomination, then that party is more out of touch than even I imagined. It would be a huge mistake. I think the majority of Conservative party members know that they could never win an election with her leading the party. Hell, even Harper knew that touching on issues like abortion wouldn't work, and he's a fundamentalist. Even if they all went nuts and did it, it would fuck their party up completely. Harper so badly lost the last election specifically because Canadians were reacting to his more right wing ideas, and most precisely because of the Islamophobia he started pushing leading up to election day. Leitch is a novelty, that's all. I almost hope the Conservative are that stupid and desperate to choose her as their leader though, because they will be shooting themselves in the foot (and yeah, I know some people said similar things about Trump, but it's really not the same. Canada is not on the same track as the US in this sense).
    I like your optimism.

    And I hope you're right.

    If anyone needs to know anything about her, all you need to look at is the crocodile tears she had after her involvement in the barbaric practices hotline. Then she doubled down on that shit later when it could get her some attention. She has no class.
    Oh, she's revolting. I think that those who actually go for what she's laying down are even worse.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the one thing we got going for us is our electoral system makes it a bit harder for a trump-like candidate from becoming PM ... if the Liberals actually go ahead with electoral reform - it will be even harder ...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,583


    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
    I mentioned O'Leary months ago....and was laughed at.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    This is what I tried to suggest to BS who was having none of it: the nature of future campaigns will likely change. Parties see the value in manipulating the befuddled masses. Convince stupid people the opposition is dysfunctional and that you are awesome... and, without reason or fact... the moron vote has been won.

    The moron vote is huge- there are more stupid people than intelligent people. Donald Trump won the presidency of the US for gawds sakes. This was not because people with half a brain believed he was going to make America great again... it was because people with less than half a brain did.

    Stupidity at a shocking level.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    edited December 2016


    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
    The idea of him getting into politics bothers me, but O'Leary isn't anywhere near being like Trump.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    edited December 2016


    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
    I mentioned O'Leary months ago....and was laughed at.
    I recall a somewhat healthy discussion about O'Leary a while ago, where nobody was laughing as far as I could tell. We were just discussing the likelihood of him actually becoming Conservative leader and what that would be like. Were you not a part of that conversation? O'Leary has been suggesting that he might give it a go for years. Only time will tell if he actually does it or not. If he does, and I think it's a possibility, I think his chances would be pretty good. As I said back then, all he has in his eyes are dollar signs, and it would be terrible for Canada IMO. However, he's no Canadian Trump. Not even close.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,583
    PJ_Soul said:


    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
    I mentioned O'Leary months ago....and was laughed at.
    I recall a somewhat healthy discussion about O'Leary a while ago, where nobody was laughing as far as I could tell. We were just discussing the likelihood of him actually becoming Conservative leader and what that would be like. Were you not a part of that conversation? O'Leary has been suggesting that he might give it a go for years. Only time will tell if he actually does it or not. If he does, and I think it's a possibility, I think his chances would be pretty good. As I said back then, all he has in his eyes are dollar signs, and it would be terrible for Canada IMO. However, he's no Canadian Trump. Not even close.
    maybe not laughed at, but pretty heavily dismissed.

    you are correct, he is no trump. but trump's rise has paved the way for oleary and other non-politicians like him.

    I doubt very highly oleary would be so embarassing. he's a blowhard, but I don't see him grabbing anyone by the p**sy or saying the same bullshit that trump says. he'll be disrespectful and dismissive of others' opinions, but not nearly in the same way.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715
    edited December 2016

    PJ_Soul said:


    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
    I mentioned O'Leary months ago....and was laughed at.
    I recall a somewhat healthy discussion about O'Leary a while ago, where nobody was laughing as far as I could tell. We were just discussing the likelihood of him actually becoming Conservative leader and what that would be like. Were you not a part of that conversation? O'Leary has been suggesting that he might give it a go for years. Only time will tell if he actually does it or not. If he does, and I think it's a possibility, I think his chances would be pretty good. As I said back then, all he has in his eyes are dollar signs, and it would be terrible for Canada IMO. However, he's no Canadian Trump. Not even close.
    maybe not laughed at, but pretty heavily dismissed.

    you are correct, he is no trump. but trump's rise has paved the way for oleary and other non-politicians like him.

    I doubt very highly oleary would be so embarassing. he's a blowhard, but I don't see him grabbing anyone by the p**sy or saying the same bullshit that trump says. he'll be disrespectful and dismissive of others' opinions, but not nearly in the same way.
    I dunno. I think his possible way was paved long before Trump had even really considered running for POTUS. It was as soon as O'Leary started talking about it. I don't see how Trump's win has any impact on it at all, knowing that this idea isn't new and isn't being viewed any differently than it was 2 years ago.
    I actually think O'Leary is capable of listening to others, and he isn't completely tactless (just looking at how is on Dragon's Den won't paint a full picture to say the least). Again, I think he would be terrible for Canada, but not for the kinds of reasons you're bringing up. He is terrible just because of his pin-point focus on money money money.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,583
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
    I mentioned O'Leary months ago....and was laughed at.
    I recall a somewhat healthy discussion about O'Leary a while ago, where nobody was laughing as far as I could tell. We were just discussing the likelihood of him actually becoming Conservative leader and what that would be like. Were you not a part of that conversation? O'Leary has been suggesting that he might give it a go for years. Only time will tell if he actually does it or not. If he does, and I think it's a possibility, I think his chances would be pretty good. As I said back then, all he has in his eyes are dollar signs, and it would be terrible for Canada IMO. However, he's no Canadian Trump. Not even close.
    maybe not laughed at, but pretty heavily dismissed.

    you are correct, he is no trump. but trump's rise has paved the way for oleary and other non-politicians like him.

    I doubt very highly oleary would be so embarassing. he's a blowhard, but I don't see him grabbing anyone by the p**sy or saying the same bullshit that trump says. he'll be disrespectful and dismissive of others' opinions, but not nearly in the same way.
    I dunno. I think his possible way was paved long before Trump had even really considered running for POTUS. It was as soon as O'Leary started talking about it. I don't see how Trump's win has any impact on it at all, knowing that this idea isn't new and isn't being viewed any differently than it was 2 years ago.
    I actually think O'Leary is capable of listening to others, and he isn't completely tactless (just looking at how is on Dragon's Den won't paint a full picture to say the least). Again, I think he would be terrible for Canada, but not for the kinds of reasons you're bringing up. He is terrible just because of his pin-point focus on money money money.
    those aren't the reasons I think he would be a bad PM. those are the reasons I think he's an asshole. not just on dragon's den. I know that's for tv. but any time the guy opens his mouth he's a pompous shithead.

    the reason i think he would be a bad PM is the same as you stated: money. he thinks very singularly, everything is financial.

    did oleary start talking about it prior to trump announcing his run? I thought it was brought up after the fact.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,715

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    dignin said:

    Well, isn't this a scary thought. Canada is not immune to this kind of BS.

    Is The Media’s Need For “Canada’s Trump” Making Leitch A Shoe-In?

    http://www.canadalandshow.com/medias-need-canadas-trump-making-leitch-shoe/

    Haven't read this yet (random google result from two days ago), but this has been building for a while...at first glance, the perfect choice for a Canadian trump.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/kevin-o-leary-surprises-with-potential-campaign-team-assembled-1.3200056
    I mentioned O'Leary months ago....and was laughed at.
    I recall a somewhat healthy discussion about O'Leary a while ago, where nobody was laughing as far as I could tell. We were just discussing the likelihood of him actually becoming Conservative leader and what that would be like. Were you not a part of that conversation? O'Leary has been suggesting that he might give it a go for years. Only time will tell if he actually does it or not. If he does, and I think it's a possibility, I think his chances would be pretty good. As I said back then, all he has in his eyes are dollar signs, and it would be terrible for Canada IMO. However, he's no Canadian Trump. Not even close.
    maybe not laughed at, but pretty heavily dismissed.

    you are correct, he is no trump. but trump's rise has paved the way for oleary and other non-politicians like him.

    I doubt very highly oleary would be so embarassing. he's a blowhard, but I don't see him grabbing anyone by the p**sy or saying the same bullshit that trump says. he'll be disrespectful and dismissive of others' opinions, but not nearly in the same way.
    I dunno. I think his possible way was paved long before Trump had even really considered running for POTUS. It was as soon as O'Leary started talking about it. I don't see how Trump's win has any impact on it at all, knowing that this idea isn't new and isn't being viewed any differently than it was 2 years ago.
    I actually think O'Leary is capable of listening to others, and he isn't completely tactless (just looking at how is on Dragon's Den won't paint a full picture to say the least). Again, I think he would be terrible for Canada, but not for the kinds of reasons you're bringing up. He is terrible just because of his pin-point focus on money money money.
    those aren't the reasons I think he would be a bad PM. those are the reasons I think he's an asshole. not just on dragon's den. I know that's for tv. but any time the guy opens his mouth he's a pompous shithead.

    the reason i think he would be a bad PM is the same as you stated: money. he thinks very singularly, everything is financial.

    did oleary start talking about it prior to trump announcing his run? I thought it was brought up after the fact.
    I don't like him one little bit, and agree he's an asshole, but to be honest I don't think he's as huge a consistent asshole as you do. I remember hearing him say plenty of non-asshole stuff too. I think it just depends on the topic and the context. At any rate, the idea of him leading is terrible, but I'd pick him over Leitch any day of the week.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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