It's a double edge sword. He did good things but he did bad things. Can we all at least agree that this is a gray area?
Yes. Thanks for the reasonable, pragmatic view. It seems we only get polarizing views on the AMT. The reality is that he did accomplish some good things and fought for what he believed, but was also a tyrant who oppressed the people he ruled.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
It's a double edge sword. He did good things but he did bad things. Can we all at least agree that this is a gray area?
if, after you hear about it all and consider the context of which his "bad things" are connected to - this is where you've come ... that's your choice ... obviously ...
but you cannot decry his bad things without looking at what role the US played ... the US has been trying to overthrow Castro for a long time ... also, I think people have to understand that there was no secret police in cuba taking people in the middle of the night ... no death squads like you see in mexico ...
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves, some really nice people.
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that. I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves, some really nice people.
Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves, some really nice people.
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that. I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that. I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
I understand all that... and that still doesn't excuse Castro's tyrannical actions. That also doesn't excuse the tyrannical actions of others, but we're talking about Castro right now.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that. I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
But did those us presidents torture and/or kill their own citizens?
Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves, some really nice people.
That funny looking commie Che too.
cant forget Nicolae Ceaușescu. what a mensch.
Jeez, you can't make it through a single post without some sort of reference to Jewish people or culture.
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
Other commies.
Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that. I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
But did those us presidents torture and/or kill their own citizens?
Please pass on independent articles that says he tortured or killed his own citizens ... again - the US has been trying to overthrow Castro for nearly half a century ... that involves mounting PR campaigns ... there was for sure suppression of political freedom and imprisonment of dissidents (again - not cool) ... but I don't believe him to be this murderous tyrant that some have him portrayed as ...
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Is baseball a degree?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cuba-medical-innovations_us_56ddfacfe4b03a4056799015
Mind blown.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/billfrist/2015/06/08/cubas-most-valuable-export-its-healthcare-expertise/
Cheers,
HFD
Colin Kaepernick is in mourning right now
The first innovation listed hasn't even passed stage 2 and 3 trials in Cuba.
but you cannot decry his bad things without looking at what role the US played ... the US has been trying to overthrow Castro for a long time ... also, I think people have to understand that there was no secret police in cuba taking people in the middle of the night ... no death squads like you see in mexico ...
http://www.smh.com.au/world/after-justin-trudeau-praises-fidel-castro-twitter-surges-with-trudeaueulogies-20161127-gsyqd5.html
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/justin-trudeau-castro-eulogy-parody/index.html
silly Bolsheviks, lmao
some really nice people.
I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
Cheers,
HFD
You are obsessed and deranged.