Home› A Moving Train

Who really sympathizes with Castro?

mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
in A Moving Train
Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??
«13

Comments

  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i do ... we lost someone who fought against US imperialism ... and that is never a bad thing ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Castro provided free education! Think of all the great scientists from Cuba. There is .... hmmm .....

    Is baseball a degree?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    feel free to continue to post based on the US PR campaign against Cuba

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cuba-medical-innovations_us_56ddfacfe4b03a4056799015
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    A total of 3 medical innovations they have made.

    Mind blown.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Shhhh

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/billfrist/2015/06/08/cubas-most-valuable-export-its-healthcare-expertise/
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    Jason P said:

    A total of 3 medical innovations they have made.

    Mind blown.

    did you read the article, or just the headline?
    new album "Cigarettes" out Spring 2025!

    www.headstonesband.com




  • pjalive21pjalive21 Posts: 2,818
    edited November 2016
    polaris_x said:

    i do ... we lost someone who fought against US imperialism ... and that is never a bad thing ...

    :rofl:

    Colin Kaepernick is in mourning right now
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Jason P said:

    A total of 3 medical innovations they have made.

    Mind blown.

    did you read the article, or just the headline?
    he's just proving my point in the other thread ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Jason P said:

    A total of 3 medical innovations they have made.

    Mind blown.

    did you read the article, or just the headline?
    I read the article. What of it? Not having access to Twinkies lets you live longer. I get it.

    The first innovation listed hasn't even passed stage 2 and 3 trials in Cuba.


  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Jason P said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Jason P said:

    A total of 3 medical innovations they have made.

    Mind blown.

    did you read the article, or just the headline?
    I read the article. What of it? Not having access to Twinkies lets you live longer. I get it.

    The first innovation listed hasn't even passed stage 2 and 3 trials in Cuba.


    It'a okay, we understand that it really burns that a small, relatively poor nation has achieved things that the US apparently can not.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    As long as we can get Cuban cigars I don't care who runs the island ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    :lol:
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623
    It's a double edge sword. He did good things but he did bad things. Can we all at least agree that this is a gray area?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    InHiding80 said:

    It's a double edge sword. He did good things but he did bad things. Can we all at least agree that this is a gray area?

    Yes. Thanks for the reasonable, pragmatic view. It seems we only get polarizing views on the AMT. The reality is that he did accomplish some good things and fought for what he believed, but was also a tyrant who oppressed the people he ruled.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    InHiding80 said:

    It's a double edge sword. He did good things but he did bad things. Can we all at least agree that this is a gray area?

    if, after you hear about it all and consider the context of which his "bad things" are connected to - this is where you've come ... that's your choice ... obviously ...

    but you cannot decry his bad things without looking at what role the US played ... the US has been trying to overthrow Castro for a long time ... also, I think people have to understand that there was no secret police in cuba taking people in the middle of the night ... no death squads like you see in mexico ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
    He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rssesqrssesq Posts: 3,299
    This dick sure does.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/after-justin-trudeau-praises-fidel-castro-twitter-surges-with-trudeaueulogies-20161127-gsyqd5.html
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/justin-trudeau-castro-eulogy-parody/index.html

    silly Bolsheviks, lmao
  • rssesqrssesq Posts: 3,299
    Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves,
    some really nice people.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
    He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
    where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited November 2016
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
    He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
    where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
    Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that.
    I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    rssesq said:

    Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves,
    some really nice people.

    That funny looking commie Che too.
  • rssesqrssesq Posts: 3,299
    unsung said:

    rssesq said:

    Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves,
    some really nice people.

    That funny looking commie Che too.
    cant forget Nicolae Ceaușescu. what a mensch.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
    He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
    where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
    Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that.
    I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
    it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
    He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
    where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
    Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that.
    I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
    it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
    I understand all that... and that still doesn't excuse Castro's tyrannical actions. That also doesn't excuse the tyrannical actions of others, but we're talking about Castro right now.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,982
    edited November 2016
    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
    He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
    where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
    Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that.
    I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
    it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
    But did those us presidents torture and/or kill their own citizens?
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
    new album "Cigarettes" out Spring 2025!

    www.headstonesband.com




  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rssesq said:

    unsung said:

    rssesq said:

    Carl and Mordeccai Marx, Yankel Yurovsky, Moses Hess, Leon Trotsky, Genrikh Yagoda, Filip Filipović, Josip Broz Tito, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh, Hugo Chaves,
    some really nice people.

    That funny looking commie Che too.
    cant forget Nicolae Ceaușescu. what a mensch.
    Jeez, you can't make it through a single post without some sort of reference to Jewish people or culture.

    You are obsessed and deranged.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    polaris_x said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    unsung said:

    mattsl1983 said:

    Put political ideologies aside, who really thinks we lost something with Castro's death??

    Other commies.
    Well I'm a socialist and I don't mourn him simply because he was a tyrannical dictator. I don't go for that, even though I like Communism itself. Too bad Communism is always hijacked by people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro. Tyrannical dictatorships are not really Communist governments. They just stole the term and twisted Communism into an ugly cousin.
    how do you define tyrannical? ... he may have been a dictator but tyrannical ... I don't think so ...
    He punished all forms of dissent, harassed and intimidated those with opposing views, had dissenters murdered or threw them in horrible prisons, had repressive policies, he allowed no judiciary freedom, doled out public punishments, and held all three of the most powerful positions in government himself. He cracked down on journalists, trade unionists, and human rights advocates. He had them put in inhumane prisons and subjected them to beatings, denied them medical care, etc. His government refused to recognize the legitimacy of all human rights organizations, among others. There is no freedom of the press. I personally consider these actions extremely tyrannical. This is actually the definition of tyrannical. I have no clue how you've figured he wasn't.
    where are you getting this stuff!?? ... check out amnesty international's views on cuba ... yes, some of the stuff he is responsible for such as his actions against political opponents is true however, not to say that it's right, but he's operated in a region that has had US imperialism fuck it up from mexico to chile ... he's governed a country that has been under threat of overthrow from the mighty US for decades ... do you know how the US often fucks around with countries like Cuba ... they create disinformation campaigns, fund rallies, and if possible arm rebel groups ... if there was no threat of US intervention - there likely would have been more freedom of press ... but this notion that he murdered innocent people is not substantiated by any independent source ...
    Not innocent in his mind, I'm sure. I am not sure how you so casually dismiss repression like that. For me, such tyranny and the muzzling of political dissent and freedom of the press has literally no good excuse. I would NEVER lower myself to make excuses for Castro's tyranny, no matter what my other views relating to him are. I have higher standards than that.
    I'm sure you are aware that it's not a black and white issue/ After all that said about Castro, I don't and never did support America's embargo against Cuba. That was fucking stupid given how stunningly hypocritical it was. And it's even more stupid and even more hypocritical that Trump is threatening to bring it back.
    it's not about casually dismissing ... it's called understanding what he was up against and what history showed us ... you do know that ever single US president since Castro has been in power has been responsible for more deaths than Castro? ... you calling any of them tyrannical? ... and it's not just about the embargo ... it's about all the covert ops they've tried in Cuba since Castro took over ...
    But did those us presidents torture and/or kill their own citizens?
    Please pass on independent articles that says he tortured or killed his own citizens ... again - the US has been trying to overthrow Castro for nearly half a century ... that involves mounting PR campaigns ... there was for sure suppression of political freedom and imprisonment of dissidents (again - not cool) ... but I don't believe him to be this murderous tyrant that some have him portrayed as ...
Sign In or Register to comment.