Mike Pence
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I don't think BS is judging here.Free said:
Sometimes when you fall in love with someone, it doesn't matter what sex they are. Love is blind. Don't judge.BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
The bolded part caught my attention - thank you for that. I'll need to process it all a bit more, but at the moment, I can't help thinking that it's kind of fucked up that anyone should need professional help to find or just BE themselves beyond the general path(s) of life. You love who you love, you are who you are. Who else, but yourself, needs to be answered to?BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
Some will need that help due to the assholes of this world, just wish it weren't that way (says my idealist self).
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Ha - similar mindset.oftenreading said:
I don't think BS is judging here.Free said:
Sometimes when you fall in love with someone, it doesn't matter what sex they are. Love is blind. Don't judge.BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.0 -
hedonist said:
The bolded part caught my attention - thank you for that. I'll need to process it all a bit more, but at the moment, I can't help thinking that it's kind of fucked up that anyone should need professional help to find or just BE themselves beyond the general path(s) of life. You love who you love, you are who you are. Who else, but yourself, needs to be answered to?BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
Some will need that help due to the assholes of this world, just wish it weren't that way (says my idealist self).
Life can bring many unexpected events or experiences that make us question what we thought we knew about ourselves. Sometimes a neutral professional can be very helpful in figuring that out. I don't find that fucked up at all. We all need help in life at one point or another.hedonist said:
The bolded part caught my attention - thank you for that. I'll need to process it all a bit more, but at the moment, I can't help thinking that it's kind of fucked up that anyone should need professional help to find or just BE themselves beyond the general path(s) of life. You love who you love, you are who you are. Who else, but yourself, needs to be answered to?BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
Some will need that help due to the assholes of this world, just wish it weren't that way (says my idealist self).my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
This is set to expire, I wonder if it will get extended?
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I do get that, often...I've turned to the objective perspective (read: therapy) myself and it did help over time. That's not fucked up in itself, at all. I think maybe I'm focusing more on what takes us...well, what took me...to that point.oftenreading said:hedonist said:
The bolded part caught my attention - thank you for that. I'll need to process it all a bit more, but at the moment, I can't help thinking that it's kind of fucked up that anyone should need professional help to find or just BE themselves beyond the general path(s) of life. You love who you love, you are who you are. Who else, but yourself, needs to be answered to?BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
Some will need that help due to the assholes of this world, just wish it weren't that way (says my idealist self).
Life can bring many unexpected events or experiences that make us question what we thought we knew about ourselves. Sometimes a neutral professional can be very helpful in figuring that out. I don't find that fucked up at all. We all need help in life at one point or another.hedonist said:
The bolded part caught my attention - thank you for that. I'll need to process it all a bit more, but at the moment, I can't help thinking that it's kind of fucked up that anyone should need professional help to find or just BE themselves beyond the general path(s) of life. You love who you love, you are who you are. Who else, but yourself, needs to be answered to?BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
Some will need that help due to the assholes of this world, just wish it weren't that way (says my idealist self).
(sorry if the quotes are messed up; they were on preview, anyway)0 -
I think you're on point and I agree with you about the "assholes" in your previous statement as they often cloud the ability of those questioning themselves to come to terms with self identity honestly. It's why I find the "conversion" aspect distasteful because it is direction and not self-discovery but it doesn't mean that therapy on questions of identity is a bad thing as long as it's non-judgemental and doesn't have a predetermined outcome.hedonist said:
I do get that, often...I've turned to the objective perspective (read: therapy) myself and it did help over time. That's not fucked up in itself, at all. I think maybe I'm focusing more on what takes us...well, what took me...to that point.oftenreading said:hedonist said:
The bolded part caught my attention - thank you for that. I'll need to process it all a bit more, but at the moment, I can't help thinking that it's kind of fucked up that anyone should need professional help to find or just BE themselves beyond the general path(s) of life. You love who you love, you are who you are. Who else, but yourself, needs to be answered to?BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
Some will need that help due to the assholes of this world, just wish it weren't that way (says my idealist self).
Life can bring many unexpected events or experiences that make us question what we thought we knew about ourselves. Sometimes a neutral professional can be very helpful in figuring that out. I don't find that fucked up at all. We all need help in life at one point or another.hedonist said:
The bolded part caught my attention - thank you for that. I'll need to process it all a bit more, but at the moment, I can't help thinking that it's kind of fucked up that anyone should need professional help to find or just BE themselves beyond the general path(s) of life. You love who you love, you are who you are. Who else, but yourself, needs to be answered to?BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
Some will need that help due to the assholes of this world, just wish it weren't that way (says my idealist self).
(sorry if the quotes are messed up; they were on preview, anyway)0 -
Clearly not but we can't assume everyone on here has equal reading comprehension skills.oftenreading said:
I don't think BS is judging here.Free said:
Sometimes when you fall in love with someone, it doesn't matter what sex they are. Love is blind. Don't judge.BS44325 said:
I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.hedonist said:
Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok.hedonist said:
Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
Why is it destructive?
To your question, asked and answered.
So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.0 -
Pence on the Hamilton incident.
I heard the speech, I heard the boos and cheers, I nudged my daughter and said, that's what freedom sounds like.
Said it was a great show and recommended everyone (with a few grand laying around) to go see it.0 -
300% classier than his douche boss.JC29856 said:Pence on the Hamilton incident.
I heard the speech, I heard the boos and cheers, I nudged my daughter and said, that's what freedom sounds like.
Said it was a great show and recommended everyone (with a few grand laying around) to go see it.
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
There's no doubt about that! Clearly he is classier, more mature, and more intelligent than Trump.HughFreakingDillon said:
300% classier than his douche boss.JC29856 said:Pence on the Hamilton incident.
I heard the speech, I heard the boos and cheers, I nudged my daughter and said, that's what freedom sounds like.
Said it was a great show and recommended everyone (with a few grand laying around) to go see it.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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Would Pence have won POTUS?0 -
<<<Irrelevant.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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...because the lesser of two evils matter.rgambs said:
There's no doubt about that! Clearly he is classier, more mature, and more intelligent than Trump.HughFreakingDillon said:
300% classier than his douche boss.JC29856 said:Pence on the Hamilton incident.
I heard the speech, I heard the boos and cheers, I nudged my daughter and said, that's what freedom sounds like.
Said it was a great show and recommended everyone (with a few grand laying around) to go see it.
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That isn't relevant either, and doesn't make any sense.Free said:
...because the lesser of two evils matter.rgambs said:
There's no doubt about that! Clearly he is classier, more mature, and more intelligent than Trump.HughFreakingDillon said:
300% classier than his douche boss.JC29856 said:Pence on the Hamilton incident.
I heard the speech, I heard the boos and cheers, I nudged my daughter and said, that's what freedom sounds like.
Said it was a great show and recommended everyone (with a few grand laying around) to go see it.
Bernie is tops them both in every way. Does that make you feel better?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
I just don't know how anyone can compliment Pence, knowing who he is and how he sways politically. He's clearly dangerous.0
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but at least presidential in how he holds himself. trump is a joke. he will hopefully be the only president in history to have public meltdowns on social media.Free said:I just don't know how anyone can compliment Pence, knowing who he is and how he sways politically. He's clearly dangerous.
By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I think Pence will be the next Pres. ESP will likely resign and take credit for bringing the Republicans the conservative they always hoped for but could never get elected.0
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^^^
This is a relevant thought.
This is a scenario that could happen and would shock no one and may even give a warm fuzzy to the defeated dems and libs.0
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