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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,552
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Who/what determines straight?

    biology.
    I know but I really want to hear a response why conversion therapy is destructive first.
    take the flip-side of it. let's say people wanted you to go to gay conversion therapy, as being heterosexual is unnatural. do you not think that therapy to undo something that is instinct/natural can be destructive to that person?

    love is love.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Who/what determines straight?

    biology.
    I know but I really want to hear a response why conversion therapy is destructive first.
    Not sure if you're shit-stirring, but I'll humor what I see as an inane question.

    Imagine if you were told who you are is "wrong". And then thrust into an environment that insists you should be different from that person you know you are, and uses various means to guide you to someone you're not.

    It's a violation of soul and spirit, and really, just fucking ridiculous. And no one's business.

    That, over everything else. No one's business.

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited November 2016
    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,552
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    so then learn to use the quote function instead of the stupid arrows. both myself and @hedonist answered why it was destructive. if you are asking someone else, quote them.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.

    To your question, asked and answered.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,467
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    so then learn to use the quote function instead of the stupid arrows. both myself and @hedonist answered why it was destructive. if you are asking someone else, quote them.
    Also....in case it has not been pointed out on here.....IT DOESN'T WORK :dizzy:
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    I'll post the link again. Click. Read. Even in the link you can see it says, "The lies and dangers of reparative therapy." Sounds kind of destructive to me.

    http://www.hrc.org/resources/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    BS44325 said:

    Free said:

    BS44325 said:

    Free said:

    BS44325 said:



    #I'mwithstevie
    See my comment about what it's like at Broadway plays.
    I saw it. Just because someone can do something it doesn't mean they always should. Like I said...it's the cast's right but it's self defeating and it makes them look small.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/steven-van-zandt-tells-hamilton-to-apologize-to-mike-pence-w451539

    #I'mwithstevie
    It doesn't make them look small, it makes Pence look small.

    Imagine being a black, gay person whose HIV positive. You Are a hated MINORITY by the VP elect.

    Now imagine that the new VP thinks you need shock therapy.

    You have the microphone and it is a regular night where you make a speech after the show. AND this hateful man is there.

    YOU have the microphone.

    You know the shock therapy accusation is bullshit right? Please tell me you do?

    http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-supported-gay-conversion-therapy/

    Like I said...again...they have the right to do it but it makes them look small and it's self defeating. It does no damage to Pence in any way no matter what you think of him. If anything some people like Van Zandt who don't support him will actually become sympathetic.

    Pence supports conversion therapy for gays, which is destructive.
    Why do you feel it's destructive?
    um, seriously?
    Yes I am serious and would like to hear GoBeavers response.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Thank you cast of Hamilton for finally saying something to this administration. MP is perhaps the closest thing to sanity the ESP has around him.

    nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/mike-pence-hamilton.html
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.
    To your question, asked and answered.
    Ok.
    So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
    Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
    It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,552
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.
    To your question, asked and answered.
    Ok.
    So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
    Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
    It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
    you need to research conversion therapy.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited November 2016
    ^^^
    I realize it is like religion.
    Yet there are people who look to it and there is no changing their mind.
    So if a govt can provide w/ out prejudice services to all who feel that way and keep church and state separate they are doing their job.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.
    To your question, asked and answered.
    Ok.
    So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
    Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
    It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
    Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.

    Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    All people can live equally as long as the smallest person is allowed to grow.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    All people can live equally as long as the smallest person is allowed to grow.

    You got something against small people?
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited November 2016
    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.
    To your question, asked and answered.
    Ok.
    So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
    Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
    It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
    Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.

    Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
    I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    oftenreading said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    All people can live equally as long as the smallest person is allowed to grow.

    You got something against small people?
    No of course not.
    When it rains they are last ones to get wet.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    BS44325 said:

    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    hedonist said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Asking a question to one particular person and getting responses from another asking if I am shit-stirring is not conducive to furthering discussion.
    Why is it destructive?

    Actually, this is an open forum. I thought we can all chime in? I think we all have at some point. Cool beans for me.
    To your question, asked and answered.
    Ok.
    So if this Pence guy is for conversion therapy and wants to provide funds for it can this not be interpreted as a person who wants equal access for all. Are there not people out there who want to change their sexual preferences w/ out govt or public influence.
    Would it not be a comforting feeling knowing that if you feel that way there is help? Unbiased and funded.
    It is not destructive if a person choses to seek change from the opportunities presented.
    Equal access for what? Why would someone who is gay or bi or straight seek out changing who they are? Outside influences aside.

    Not getting your attempted points. Mine is live and let live.
    I'm with you Hedo and I don't mean to defend Pence or PJFan on this because I personally think conversion therapy is insane but I'm not sure the funds Pence voted to make available for conversion therapy was for "forced" treatment. So even if what we think is stupid in concept the intention of the funding was for those individuals who might want to change who they are to get help. Do those people even exist? I am not sure. In my own life I have a cousin on my wife's side who came out in her 20's...married another woman in with a similar story...they had kids....and 10 years later the other woman decided she was straight again. Also she insists that she is not and was not bisexual from her perspective. It is all completely live and let live but I guess the point is that the tracks some people take are not always in one direction when it comes to sexuality. Again I don't think conversion therapy has any place in the equation but in some ways the science with respect to sexuality is not completely settled for all cases. I mean this woman insisted she was born gay for the longest time and then later in life insisted she was straight. In the end she should be what makes her happy but it is interesting how it differs from the usual pattern. So to bring it back is sometimes therapy of some kind can be useful to people who are questioning themselves and funding might be less offensive if the "conversion" aspect was taken out of it. The therapist should help someone discover who they are but should never try to make someone be who they aren't.
    Sometimes when you fall in love with someone, it doesn't matter what sex they are. Love is blind. Don't judge.
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    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    oftenreading said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    All people can live equally as long as the smallest person is allowed to grow.

    You got something against small people?
    No of course not.
    When it rains they are last ones to get wet.
    ^^^^now you finally said something kind of funny

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