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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,237
    BS44325 said:

    Oil is never running out so I shall gas up my Wrangler and drive it where ever the hell I want comforted in the fact that my mileage is having no consequential effect on this planet of ours.
    That is my point - we're fucked if people refuse to change for the sake of convenience, since the oil companies and the government will just continue to collude and rule the world to the detriment of us all unless oil does run out. The solution: end oil dependency and take the world back from the oil companies.

    Your mileage has a minute effect, and so does everyone else's, and combined all together, it has a massive impact in many, many ways. Not just the emissions, but also the giant lump of resources/pollutants that the cars are made from, the roads and other infrastructure that destroys the land so you can drive all over it, the noise pollution gas cars create, not to mention the horrendous traffic jams that lower everyone's quality of life in cities, and, of course, the support given to the oil companies that basically control the world. I am not accusing you. I don't expect you or really anyone else to stop driving. I'm just stating some facts.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    That is my point - we're fucked if people refuse to change for the sake of convenience, since the oil companies and the government will just continue to collude and rule the world to the detriment of us all unless oil does run out. The solution: end oil dependency and take the world back from the oil companies.

    Your mileage has a minute effect, and so does everyone else's, and combined all together, it has a massive impact in many, many ways. Not just the emissions, but also the giant lump of resources/pollutants that the cars are made from, the roads and other infrastructure that destroys the land so you can drive all over it, the noise pollution gas cars create, not to mention the horrendous traffic jams that lower everyone's quality of life in cities, and, of course, the support given to the oil companies that basically control the world. I am not accusing you. I don't expect you or really anyone else to stop driving. I'm just stating some facts.
    Energy is good. Oil is good. I want more oil companies to find more oil and bring down energy costs for all. It is these energy costs that are built in to every single good and service sold. The oil free world you seek "might" be negligibly cleaner but it will certainly be more expensive and harsher on the poor. That is the consequence of your good intentions. A Trump administration will allow for continued exploration of energy in all forms and will bring to the costs to those hit hardest.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,237
    BS44325 said:

    Energy is good. Oil is good. I want more oil companies to find more oil and bring down energy costs for all. It is these energy costs that are built in to every single good and service sold. The oil free world you seek "might" be negligibly cleaner but it will certainly be more expensive and harsher on the poor. That is the consequence of your good intentions. A Trump administration will allow for continued exploration of energy in all forms and will bring to the costs to those hit hardest.
    Why would you assume that new energy technologies would be more expensive or harsher on the poor? That is quite the assumption. Anyway, if you want to care more about that than you do about innocent people being slaughtered for the sake of oil, and if you enjoy having your government controlled by oil companies, well, nothing anyone can do about that.
    I can't fucking believe you still support Trump btw, lol. Christ.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,370
    BS44325 said:

    Energy is good. Oil is good. I want more oil companies to find more oil and bring down energy costs for all. It is these energy costs that are built in to every single good and service sold. The oil free world you seek "might" be negligibly cleaner but it will certainly be more expensive and harsher on the poor. That is the consequence of your good intentions. A Trump administration will allow for continued exploration of energy in all forms and will bring to the costs to those hit hardest.
    What's trumps plan to explore solar and wind?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,728
    BS44325 said:

    Energy is good. Oil is good. I want more oil companies to find more oil and bring down energy costs for all. It is these energy costs that are built in to every single good and service sold. The oil free world you seek "might" be negligibly cleaner but it will certainly be more expensive and harsher on the poor. That is the consequence of your good intentions. A Trump administration will allow for continued exploration of energy in all forms and will bring to the costs to those hit hardest.
    negligibly cleaner. tell that to the starving polar bears that are balancing on a 2x4 sheet of ice trying to hunt.
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,237

    negligibly cleaner. tell that to the starving polar bears that are balancing on a 2x4 sheet of ice trying to hunt.
    Trump probably said that oil is good for the environment at some point, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,728
    PJ_Soul said:

    Trump probably said that oil is good for the environment at some point, lol.
    "oil is great, really really great. tremendous stuff. can't imagine my life, or melania's, without it. love it, absolutely love it".
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    So actions don't have consequences now? This living in trumpworld sure is going to be fun.
    All actions have consequences. There is a risk/benefit scenario to every action...that includes government action.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,370
    BS44325 said:

    All actions have consequences. There is a risk/benefit scenario to every action...that includes government action.
    Unless you're bombing around in your Wrangler. Then there's no consequences.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,683
    Talk about class Obama has to advice the Bafoon even more than he thought he'd have to , Bafoon trashed Obama for 8 yrs but Obama still acts with class ! Bafoon transition team is a total circus
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Trump is the president-elect and it is irrelevant whether I support him the man or not. I look at issues and on the issue of energy I absolutely support Trump. In terms of innocent people being slaughtered in the name of oil that is about to be a thing of the past as the greatest untold story of the last 8 years is the amazing discovery of shale oil deposits in peaceful parts of the world. This was just published yesterday:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-15/permian-s-wolfcamp-holds-20-billion-barrels-of-oil-u-s-says

    Oil is plentiful and here to stay for good reason. Now in terms of alternatives they should absolutely be explored but the ones developed to date have been more expensive and less plentiful. This is just a fact and regulating out oil as per your want hurts poor people for marginal societal benefit. Even the polar bears know this.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Talk about class Obama has to advice the Bafoon even more than he thought he'd have to , Bafoon trashed Obama for 8 yrs but Obama still acts with class ! Bafoon transition team is a total circus

    Obama bashed Bush for 8 years and then Bush still acted with class. Pretty standard fare.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Unless you're bombing around in your Wrangler. Then there's no consequences.
    The consequence of that is good times.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,683
    Yeah but even Bush has more class than your head Bafoon !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Yeah but even Bush has more class than your head Bafoon !

    My head bafoon is Trudeau.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    BS44325 said:

    My head bafoon is Trudeau.
    nice!
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,728
    BS44325 said:

    Obama bashed Bush for 8 years and then Bush still acted with class. Pretty standard fare.
    well, I don't think he kept shouting that Bush was the worst president in history. All he stated was facts, that the economics during his tenure were disastrous. I think Obama still respected Bush. hard to respect trump.
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    well, I don't think he kept shouting that Bush was the worst president in history. All he stated was facts, that the economics during his tenure were disastrous. I think Obama still respected Bush. hard to respect trump.
    Very hard to respect Trump...I don't disagree.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,683
    BS44325 said:

    My head bafoon is Trudeau.
    Stand corrected so why the man love for this Bafoon just curious..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Has anyone else noticed that since his win in general the news headlines, coverage and articles about President-elect Trump have been very coarse?
    It seems like the press does not want to write about him at all but are bound to.
    The press is not giving a very celebratory feeling of the next POTUS.
    I truly believe this is 100% opposite coverage from Obamas win and if Hillary would've won.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,237
    edited November 2016

    Has anyone else noticed that since his win in general the news headlines, coverage and articles about President-elect Trump have been very coarse?
    It seems like the press does not want to write about him at all but are bound to.
    The press is not giving a very celebratory feeling of the next POTUS.
    I truly believe this is 100% opposite coverage from Obamas win and if Hillary would've won.

    Yes, it all makes perfect sense... Everyone is aware of how totally fucked up this is, including journalists. Anyone who expects Trump to get the same treatment as past presidents is living in a fantasy world.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul said:

    Yes, it all makes perfect sense... Everyone is aware of how totally fucked up this is, including journalists. Anyone who expects Trump to get the same treatment as past presidents is living in a fantasy world.
    Is there not a scripted chain of events that happen when a POTUS is elected? (Americans help out here)
    Like parades or news interviews or just plain celebrations all covered by the press like past presidents.
    It perhaps indicates that President-elect Trump was right about some media. They can be led.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,237
    edited November 2016

    Is there not a scripted chain of events that happen when a POTUS is elected? (Americans help out here)
    Like parades or news interviews or just plain celebrations all covered by the press like past presidents.
    It perhaps indicates that President-elect Trump was right about some media. They can be led.
    Parades and celebrations?? No. Not until inauguration day. When did you ever see that done in the past when a US election was over?
    News interviews yes, and those are happening, although now it appears that Trump is literally running from the media. He is apparently getting all tricksie in order to avoid being caught on camera, lol. So he's acting like a celebrity instead of like a president elect, which also makes sense, since I think he can only conceive of any of this in that kind of celebrity context. The weight of his responsibilities are not at all sinking in. It's pathetic.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • ^^^
    Ok maybe not parades and celebrations full out but I remember being inundated with the pre-inauguration days of Obama. It was non-stop celebration time in the media.
    I don't think he is running from the media rather than I think the media is chasing him.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,370
    Trump dodging the press was him making a statement. Unfortunately it reflects what he thinks about an important check and balance in the system and that he doesn't want those checks and balances. The president lets the press know where they are at all times. This is essential to being in a democracy. Please no one buy into his ongoing attempts to demonize the press. It's step one for an authoritarian. The CNN people last night were visibly irritated with this when they reported on it.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited November 2016
    ^^^
    Why does The president lets the press know where they are at all times. This is essential to being in a democracy?
    Why is this a rule?
  • Please no one buy into his ongoing attempts to demonize the press. It's step one for an authoritarian. The CNN people last night were visibly irritated with this when they reported on it.

    They were visibly irritated all night long during the election and they knew where he was the whole time.

  • See children.
    This is what drugs do to your brain. (the guy in the article)
  • Please no one buy into his ongoing attempts to demonize the press. It's step one for an authoritarian.

    What is step two?
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