Trump

Go Beavers · November 2016

JC29856 said:

Go Beavers said:

JC29856 said:
http://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/stephen-moore-yes-trump-will-double-growth-and-jobs/

Interesting
What's interesting in Trumpworld is that you can create an unrealistic fantasy, and people will believe in it.
Not sure if you read the guys opinion piece but without even reading it, what effect on new jobs would a $250B America's infrastructure program have?

I read it. I'm all for infrastructure spending. Too bad his fellow republicans aren't, and where will the budget be cut to fit this in? Oh wait, deficit spending is now a good thing. Forgot.

HughFreakingDillon · November 2016

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

JC29856 said:
https://youtu.be/0BSrJv0IpHY

Anything you don't like about those words??
Why don't you put up the link when he was looking for schools for his daughters and then tell us what you think !
You wearing your safety pin?

what does this mean?

JC29856 · November 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:
you bring those industries back to north america and:

-either they'd be so incredibly expensive as labour costs would soar, so no one would buy them, or
-you'd have to get rid of the minimum wage, effectively making slave labour legal in the US again.

this is something you simply cannot reverse.

Is it the phones hardware or firmware that's expensive?
I do too think it's irreversible at this point, but the promise of slave labor and more corporate welfare could be enticing.
Besides maybe hot dogs and pizza, what more do corporatists love than cheap labor and handouts?

PJ_Soul · November 2016

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.

Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.

HughFreakingDillon · November 2016

JC29856 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
you bring those industries back to north america and:

-either they'd be so incredibly expensive as labour costs would soar, so no one would buy them, or
-you'd have to get rid of the minimum wage, effectively making slave labour legal in the US again.

this is something you simply cannot reverse.
Is it the phones hardware or firmware that's expensive?
I do too think it's irreversible at this point, but the promise of slave labor and more corporate welfare could be enticing.
Besides maybe hot dogs and pizza, what more do corporatists love than cheap labor and handouts?

I don't think either is. software needs to be developed and then tested, but once that's done, it's all just replication. and nowadays most of these things don't have remarkably new technologies, but just offshoots of what they've already accomplished. "what, the new iPhone has a 53 megapixel camera??? my old one has only 51!!!! sure I'll drop $700 for something I bought basically the same thing 6 months ago".

But I think the markup on these products is so incredibly insane, no company is going to take an 85% (just throwing out a number) hit on their profits if they have to start paying fair wages.

JC29856 · November 2016

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.
Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.

Agree with most except that offering/proposing a plan to keep jobs here and bring some back isn't a huge lie.
Huge lies are like why we're at never ending wars for 13 years and counting.

The Juggler · November 2016

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

vaggar99 said:
^^^all fueled by the kumbaya tone of the media after every election. The Entitled Sexual Predator and his disciples never remember when the media helps them
ummm what kumbaya tone? its been all negative since he became president elect

From where I stand, they've normalized a lot of this. I realize they have to be professional, but this crap like having Bannon in the white house is completely bonkers.
yes, you got people like Dave Chapelle and Oprah even who are afraid to call this guy what he is.
Yeah, it's disgusting. Especially Oprah. Honestly, she seems to quite like Trump. I think she just loves rich, famous people.

ahem....jimmy fallon.....ahem.....remember that?

PJ_Soul · November 2016

JC29856 said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.
Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.
Agree with most except that offering/proposing a plan to keep jobs here and bring some back isn't a huge lie.
Huge lies are like why we're at never ending wars for 13 years and counting.

I guess the size of a lie is subjective, lol. I personally think that ranting about how awful it is to have shipped jobs overseas and claim that he's going to somehow fix that, while he himself participates in having these jobs shipped overseas and knows perfectly well that they aren't coming back is a fairly big lie. As big as the WMD lie? Well, yeah, it's just that the consequences of one lie was much worse. But there's no need to qualify these things, is there?? The fucker can barely keep himself from lying/making shit up out of thin air. It's kind of a problem that demands repeated mention.

jeffbr · November 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

JC29856 said:
https://youtu.be/0BSrJv0IpHY

Anything you don't like about those words??
Why don't you put up the link when he was looking for schools for his daughters and then tell us what you think !
You wearing your safety pin?
what does this mean?

JimmyV · November 2016

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

JC29856 said:
https://youtu.be/0BSrJv0IpHY

Anything you don't like about those words??
Why don't you put up the link when he was looking for schools for his daughters and then tell us what you think !
You wearing your safety pin?
what does this mean?

Why the asterisks attached to LGBQ and Trans?

vaggar99 · November 2016

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.
Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.

i suppose Apple could make machines that do the work that these Chinese laborers do. If the Entitled Sexual Predator is smart, he will probably try to force this move by Apple. Apple has been manufacturing the ultra high Mac Pro in the US for the last few years. These machines start at $3000 and usually end up closer to $5000. They are probably produced on the scale of a few hundred a day. Apple would be wise to come out ahead of Trump on this though

jeffbr · November 2016

JimmyV said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

JC29856 said:
https://youtu.be/0BSrJv0IpHY

Anything you don't like about those words??
Why don't you put up the link when he was looking for schools for his daughters and then tell us what you think !
You wearing your safety pin?
what does this mean?

Why the asterisks attached to LGBQ and Trans?

I don't know "officially" but I think it is a wildcard character to cover transsexual, transgender, transvestite, etc...

JimmyV · November 2016

jeffbr said:

JimmyV said:

jeffbr said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

josevolution said:

JC29856 said:
https://youtu.be/0BSrJv0IpHY

Anything you don't like about those words??
Why don't you put up the link when he was looking for schools for his daughters and then tell us what you think !
You wearing your safety pin?
what does this mean?

Why the asterisks attached to LGBQ and Trans?
I don't know "officially" but I think it is a wildcard character to cover transsexual, transgender, transvestite, etc...

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

PJ_Soul · November 2016

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.
Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.
i suppose Apple could make machines that do the work that these Chinese laborers do. If the Entitled Sexual Predator is smart, he will probably try to force this move by Apple. Apple has been manufacturing the ultra high Mac Pro in the US for the last few years. These machines start at $3000 and usually end up closer to $5000. They are probably produced on the scale of a few hundred a day. Apple would be wise to come out ahead of Trump on this though

If building machines to do the work of the people were cheaper or more efficient, wouldn't Apple have done it already, in China? It's not like China is anti-automation. I assume they are doing what's most efficient and cost-effective overall now.
How could Trump possibly force such a thing as that? What laws would he be able to invoke to force Apple to move its manufacturing to the US? I mean, the only thing I can think of is that he'd try to offer tax incentives or other kinds of monetary incentives and perhaps logistical incentives ... but has Trump ever suggested doing that? All I ever heard was him babbling about jobs going overseas and how it's bad for American, with absolutely no statements of substance.

HughFreakingDillon · November 2016

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.
Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.
i suppose Apple could make machines that do the work that these Chinese laborers do. If the Entitled Sexual Predator is smart, he will probably try to force this move by Apple. Apple has been manufacturing the ultra high Mac Pro in the US for the last few years. These machines start at $3000 and usually end up closer to $5000. They are probably produced on the scale of a few hundred a day. Apple would be wise to come out ahead of Trump on this though
If building machines to do the work of the people were cheaper or more efficient, wouldn't Apple have done it already, in China? It's not like China is anti-automation. I assume they are doing what's most efficient and cost-effective overall now.
How could Trump possibly force such a thing as that? What laws would he be able to invoke to force Apple to move its manufacturing to the US? I mean, the only thing I can think of is that he'd try to offer tax incentives or other kinds of monetary incentives and perhaps logistical incentives ... but has Trump ever suggested doing that? All I ever heard was him babbling about jobs going overseas and how it's bad for American, with absolutely no statements of substance.

tariffs on sending jobs out of country, or whatever they are called.

I know in my company, when we have a business that we've contracted that has no canadian presence and we can't prove we couldn't have received the same services from a domestic company, we have to pay a pretty high tax on that. it's like 15% of the cost of the service.

josevolution · November 2016

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/13653490/steve-bannon-trump-presidency-chief-strategist-breitbart-tech-visa
i thought this guy only dislikes Jews i'll have to put the Orientals on his coluum ..

pjalive21 · November 2016

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.
Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.
i suppose Apple could make machines that do the work that these Chinese laborers do. If the Entitled Sexual Predator is smart, he will probably try to force this move by Apple. Apple has been manufacturing the ultra high Mac Pro in the US for the last few years. These machines start at $3000 and usually end up closer to $5000. They are probably produced on the scale of a few hundred a day. Apple would be wise to come out ahead of Trump on this though
If building machines to do the work of the people were cheaper or more efficient, wouldn't Apple have done it already, in China? It's not like China is anti-automation. I assume they are doing what's most efficient and cost-effective overall now.
How could Trump possibly force such a thing as that? What laws would he be able to invoke to force Apple to move its manufacturing to the US? I mean, the only thing I can think of is that he'd try to offer tax incentives or other kinds of monetary incentives and perhaps logistical incentives ... but has Trump ever suggested doing that? All I ever heard was him babbling about jobs going overseas and how it's bad for American, with absolutely no statements of substance.

Tax the import of that said product than comes back to the states at a ridiculous amount along with tax break incentives to bring those companies back

PJ_Soul · November 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

vaggar99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

JC29856 said:
Apple iPhones soon to say "made in America again"
Hahaha, yeah right.
8 years ago I was one of those that wanted to see this happen. while i still think, it would be nice. its really not the way to go at this point. iphones are mostly assembled by hand (last i heard). american's really don't do that type of work anymore. our economy has shifted towards one where the American laborer now is more like an operator/maintainer of a sophisticated machine that makes stuff. and that's where we will continue to grow the manufacturing sector.
Yes, well there is pretty much a huge army of Chinese workers who make these phones, and they aren't well-paid and their hours are long. The factories in which they work, that have as many as 50,000+ workers in just one facility, are notoriously secretive, probably to hide workers' rights abuses. There is no way all that is moving back to America, where people get shorter hours and better pay (rightly so). Not a chance in hell. I don't think the American workforce would even be able to handle the workload even if consumers were interested in yet more expensive iPhones and even if Apple were interested in lower profits, which, of course, they are not.
Trump is such an idiot, talking about bring jobs like that back to America... I mean an idiot because it's stupid to tell such a huge lie on international television over and over and over again. I don't think for a second he believed his own lies obviously. He loves shipping jobs overseas - he's proven that. He doesn't care about anything besides making money and getting attention.
i suppose Apple could make machines that do the work that these Chinese laborers do. If the Entitled Sexual Predator is smart, he will probably try to force this move by Apple. Apple has been manufacturing the ultra high Mac Pro in the US for the last few years. These machines start at $3000 and usually end up closer to $5000. They are probably produced on the scale of a few hundred a day. Apple would be wise to come out ahead of Trump on this though
If building machines to do the work of the people were cheaper or more efficient, wouldn't Apple have done it already, in China? It's not like China is anti-automation. I assume they are doing what's most efficient and cost-effective overall now.
How could Trump possibly force such a thing as that? What laws would he be able to invoke to force Apple to move its manufacturing to the US? I mean, the only thing I can think of is that he'd try to offer tax incentives or other kinds of monetary incentives and perhaps logistical incentives ... but has Trump ever suggested doing that? All I ever heard was him babbling about jobs going overseas and how it's bad for American, with absolutely no statements of substance.
tariffs on sending jobs out of country, or whatever they are called.

I know in my company, when we have a business that we've contracted that has no canadian presence and we can't prove we couldn't have received the same services from a domestic company, we have to pay a pretty high tax on that. it's like 15% of the cost of the service.

Could tariffs legally be applied retroactively like that? I don't know. I'm sure Trump doesn't either.
But if they could, I willing to bet that Apple is still saving more by manufacturing in China than the US could reasonably be expected to get out of them through tariffs.... I mean, they'd have to be some pretty insane tariffs, and they'd have to be applied to all the US companies that have already had their manufacturing in other countries for years and years. It would be a big hit on the US economy in and of itself, no? I'm not an economist to say the least, so am just coming up with thoughts about this as I type.

BS44325 · November 2016

vaggar99 said:

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

vaggar99 said:
^^^all fueled by the kumbaya tone of the media after every election. The Entitled Sexual Predator and his disciples never remember when the media helps them
ummm what kumbaya tone? its been all negative since he became president elect

From where I stand, they've normalized a lot of this. I realize they have to be professional, but this crap like having Bannon in the white house is completely bonkers.
yes, you got people like Dave Chapelle and Oprah even who are afraid to call this guy what he is.

Or they just don't think he is what you think he is.

PJ_Soul · November 2016

BS44325 said:

vaggar99 said:

Go Beavers said:

pjalive21 said:

vaggar99 said:
^^^all fueled by the kumbaya tone of the media after every election. The Entitled Sexual Predator and his disciples never remember when the media helps them
ummm what kumbaya tone? its been all negative since he became president elect

From where I stand, they've normalized a lot of this. I realize they have to be professional, but this crap like having Bannon in the white house is completely bonkers.
yes, you got people like Dave Chapelle and Oprah even who are afraid to call this guy what he is.
Or they just don't think he is what you think he is.

Chapelle certainly thinks so... it's just that he seems to be comparing Trump as president to black slavery and American racism in general. Basically, if it's not as bad as slavery and American racism towards blacks and all that abuse and torture and murder over the centuries, then it's really not that bad, lol.

Trump

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