Hillary won more votes for President
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rgambs said:
Did you even see the post I quoted? It used Hebrew on the Yale emblem to perpetuate the old anti-Semitic stereotype of the dishonesty of Jews. He also mocked/discredited a video posted solely on the basis that the subject of the video has a first name that is of Jewish origin.pjalive21 said:
Well when you can't fight back against facts that you and others have posted on here you cry racism,sexism, or antisemitism....its in the playbookJC29856 said:
Are you defending that post or do you just knee-jerk defend anyone who is accused of racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism?
Can we keep this thread focused on discussing Clinton, as the moderator asked.
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So what's the problem with this? I assume someone must have one or else it wouldn't be posted.tonifig8 said:With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43823
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Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
No.tonifig8 said:rgambs said:
Did you even see the post I quoted? It used Hebrew on the Yale emblem to perpetuate the old anti-Semitic stereotype of the dishonesty of Jews. He also mocked/discredited a video posted solely on the basis that the subject of the video has a first name that is of Jewish origin.pjalive21 said:
Well when you can't fight back against facts that you and others have posted on here you cry racism,sexism, or antisemitism....its in the playbookJC29856 said:
Are you defending that post or do you just knee-jerk defend anyone who is accused of racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism?
Can we keep this thread focused on discussing Clinton, as the moderator asked.
I call bullshit when I see it. If you want to let blatant anti-Semitism ride in pursuit of maintaining your Clinton witch hunt, that's your choice. You won't hold me to the same.
I am against the Isreali occupation and what I believe is an apartheid regime, and I don't care for Clinton's level of Isreali support. I loosely support BDS (in thought and word only)
Those things do not preclude me from recognizing blatant anti-Semitism and calling bullshit on it.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
tonifig8 said:
WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43823
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Oh my gosh seeing these politicians playing politics is SHOCKING, just SHOCKING.
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Can we keep this thread focused on discussing Clinton, as the moderator asked.tonifig8 said:
Hahaha!rssesq said:try 258 pages of complete bullshit
Try 5,442+ post of pure excuses... And the occasional Ed looks hot post.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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just trying to keep things on the up and up, as you keep requesting............but not following.tonifig8 said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Pretty common practice for both parties in presidential primaries anymore. Non-story.tonifig8 said:WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43823
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I agree, Brian. Just because Trump doesn't belong (and he doesn't!) doesn't mean Hillary is the answer. She will get the nod by default, but based on her unpopularity, there won't be an overwhelming mandate for her "vision" and there will be plenty of scrutiny of her actions. She will also continue to be hounded by allegations of wrong-doing, many of which she brought upon herself by being less than transparent. On November 8th, no matter who wins, we will not be electing a great leader. We will be electing the lesser of the two corrupt candidates with record low approval ratings. Hopefully in 4 years we will be ready to be serious about electing a leader. For now, I'm just going to have fun with it so I don't have a stroke.brianlux said:Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
wall of text warningbrianlux said:Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates.
Take a look at the image below. On the right side you’ll see a chart. This is a chart of Hillary’s popularity over time. It was put together by Nate Silver, who based it on over 500 high-quality phone surveys dating back to the early 90’s. If we take a look at the polling data, very obvious patterns emerge.
In the early 90’s her polling was great, which was typical for an incoming First Lady. But Hillary had no interest in being a typical First Lady, and soon took charge of one of the most important policy initiatives of the Clinton Presidency: Universal Health Care. If you look at the first large red arrow I have on the graphic, you’ll see that as soon as she did that her negatives skyrocketed. And yes this was before Whitewater. In fact during the ongoing Whitewater investigations her polling improved dramatically, so she actually became significantly MORE popular during that period, not less.
Now take a look at the second arrow. This is where she declared that she was going to run for the Senate. See what happened? She was at one of the most popular periods of her life, but as soon as she declared a run for the Senate her favorables plummeted while her unfavorables rose sharply. Then once she was elected, her scores stabilized and even improved. Now look at the third arrow. Nearly exactly at the same time she withdrew from the Presidential race her favorables took off again, rising to levels that many considered remarkable. (Or are we pretending not to remember that until very recently Hillary was one of the most popular politicians in the country?) In fact the image on the left of the graph is part of the “bad-ass Hillary” meme that started during this time. And her polling stayed high right up until she decided to run for President again. Her numbers since then are not on this particular graph, but I think we all know what happened to them.
So what do we see in this data? What I see is that the public view of Hillary Clinton does not seem to be correlated to “scandals” or issues of character or whether she murdered Vince Foster. No, the one thing that seems to most negatively and consistently affect public perception of Hillary is any attempt by her to seek power. Once she actually has that power her polls go up again. But whenever she asks for it her numbers drop like a manhole cover.
By any objective measure Hillary Clinton is not just the most qualified candidate this season, she’s one of the most qualified people to ever seek the office. Hillary is nobody’s idea of perfect. Fine. But in my view if a man with her qualifications were running in the Democratic primary, Bernie would have been done before he even started. And if a man with her qualifications had been running for the Republicans, they’d be anointing him the next Reagan while trying to sneak his face onto Mount Rushmore. Most of the people who hate Hillary when she’s running for office end up liking her just fine once she’s won.
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Source?ledvedderman said:
Pretty common practice for both parties in presidential primaries anymore. Non-story.tonifig8 said:WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43823
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I sincerely appreciate your efforts to create a thoughtful, intelligent argument here. However, re. the bolded statement above- that kind of exaggeration does more harm to your argument than good. And attempting to convince us that there is only one issue that affects Hillary's approval rating just doesn't fly.CM189191 said:
wall of text warningbrianlux said:Regarding the Seth Meyers video and list- I think this misses the point. Of course Trump is a buffoon and does not belong in the White House. But one man's baffoonery does not eliminated another woman's serious breach of trustworthiness. The indictment should be on the American voting populous for not being able to nominate two respectful candidates.
Regarding your hopes, Kat, that Hillary will receive support after she is elected- she already has a low approval rating and will have to walk on water to change that once elected. Again, what this speaks of is the American voting populous not being able to elect two candidates who inspire hope, who have proven trustworthiness and integrity and who would make good leaders.
As to Hillary being impeached- again, it is the voting public who have proved themselves incapable of making good choices. This should be about us as much as or more than about the two candidates.
Take a look at the image below. On the right side you’ll see a chart. This is a chart of Hillary’s popularity over time. It was put together by Nate Silver, who based it on over 500 high-quality phone surveys dating back to the early 90’s. If we take a look at the polling data, very obvious patterns emerge.
In the early 90’s her polling was great, which was typical for an incoming First Lady. But Hillary had no interest in being a typical First Lady, and soon took charge of one of the most important policy initiatives of the Clinton Presidency: Universal Health Care. If you look at the first large red arrow I have on the graphic, you’ll see that as soon as she did that her negatives skyrocketed. And yes this was before Whitewater. In fact during the ongoing Whitewater investigations her polling improved dramatically, so she actually became significantly MORE popular during that period, not less.
Now take a look at the second arrow. This is where she declared that she was going to run for the Senate. See what happened? She was at one of the most popular periods of her life, but as soon as she declared a run for the Senate her favorables plummeted while her unfavorables rose sharply. Then once she was elected, her scores stabilized and even improved. Now look at the third arrow. Nearly exactly at the same time she withdrew from the Presidential race her favorables took off again, rising to levels that many considered remarkable. (Or are we pretending not to remember that until very recently Hillary was one of the most popular politicians in the country?) In fact the image on the left of the graph is part of the “bad-ass Hillary” meme that started during this time. And her polling stayed high right up until she decided to run for President again. Her numbers since then are not on this particular graph, but I think we all know what happened to them.
So what do we see in this data? What I see is that the public view of Hillary Clinton does not seem to be correlated to “scandals” or issues of character or whether she murdered Vince Foster. No, the one thing that seems to most negatively and consistently affect public perception of Hillary is any attempt by her to seek power. Once she actually has that power her polls go up again. But whenever she asks for it her numbers drop like a manhole cover.
By any objective measure Hillary Clinton is not just the most qualified candidate this season, she’s one of the most qualified people to ever seek the office. Hillary is nobody’s idea of perfect. Fine. But in my view if a man with her qualifications were running in the Democratic primary, Bernie would have been done before he even started. And if a man with her qualifications had been running for the Republicans, they’d be anointing him the next Reagan while trying to sneak his face onto Mount Rushmore. Most of the people who hate Hillary when she’s running for office end up liking her just fine once she’s won.
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Your candidate will win. As to how well she is accepted after that- I would not rush to make such glowing predictions.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Brian, a LOT of people are calling her the most qualified person to run for POTUS. People who are generally well-respected and knowledgeable. Google it. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the idea is completely ridiculous. She has a massive amount of experience - more than almost anyone now or ever - so it's not actually a ludicrous premise at all. Just one you don't agree with.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thornton-law-firm-straw-donor-scheme-bonuses-boston-globe-spotlight/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17&yptr=yahoo
hopefully this isn't perceived as anti- yata yata yata. lol
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No source to give. Just my professional experience over the years. Hell, even just Illinois I know was moved in 2008 to get Obama some early momentum. Illinois was also approached to do the same thing in 2016 but it didn't happentonifig8 said:
Source?ledvedderman said:
Pretty common practice for both parties in presidential primaries anymore. Non-story.tonifig8 said:WIKILEAKS: "We agreed that if she gets a significant primary challenger, we need to consider changing course and getting NY, NJ, and maybe others to move their dates earlier to give her hefty early wins."
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43823
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So much of these leaks are just campaign operations. Campaigns are like making a sausage- you don't want to see the sausage being made. It's not pretty.0 -
Also one of the most corrupt...Has there even been someone running for POTUS who was actively being investigated by the FBI (outside of Hoover keeping tabs on anyone who ran)? Who has more baggage than she does over her 30 years of service? Who dare I say is the most corrupt ever? I challenge not her knowledge but her decision making which seems to be in question on a repeated basisPJ_Soul said:Brian, a LOT of people are calling her the most qualified person to run for POTUS. People who are generally well-respected and knowledgeable. Google it. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the idea is completely ridiculous. She has a massive amount of experience - more than almost anyone now or ever - so it's not actually a ludicrous premise at all. Just one you don't agree with.
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