Hillary won more votes for President

pjalive21 said:

Go Beavers said:

Free said:

It's obvious you make yourself feel better by looking at the other bad guy and swearing that he's worse. When really It's all sweet delusion.

I think Trump is worse than Clinton, and that's not a delusion.

the delusion is to think that one of these is better than the other

seriously listen to everyone...we are trying to convince one another that our bad guy is less bad than the other

It is literally impossible for one to not be better than the other.

Free said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

Go Beavers said:

Free said:

It's obvious you make yourself feel better by looking at the other bad guy and swearing that he's worse. When really It's all sweet delusion.

I think Trump is worse than Clinton, and that's not a delusion.

the delusion is to think that one of these is better than the other

seriously listen to everyone...we are trying to convince one another that our bad guy is less bad than the other

It is literally impossible for one to not be better than the other.

Not when one was only playing the game for narcissistic reasons and had everybody fooled that he really want to lead the country.

What do you mean? If anything, that is one more point for "worse". He is trying to win you know, whether he really wants to or not.

I really do appreciate that Hillary supports sincerely believe she is the best choice (even if only because you loath Trump) but here's an idea that will frost some, no doubt. Maybe we need Trump. Follow my logic for a minute:

Years ago I had a close friend who was literally drinking herself to death. I knew her counselor and I met with him to discuss what could be done to save her life. I felt desperate. He told me that enabling her would help her in the short term but that it just might be that the only thing left that could save her was for her to hit rock bottom. By rock bottom he meant homelessness, near starvation, and extreme ill health. I was angry at him for even suggesting that. But he explained that the route she was on with the enabling she was receiving from friends like me would definitely lead to her demise. He said rock bottom for her could very possibly kill her but could also lead her to take extreme measure to climb back out of her bottomless pit. She eventually moved back in with people who enabled her and she went on to drink herself to death.

Democracy is in bad shape. America is in terrible shape. Nominating two incompetent, undesirable candidates in of itself is proof of that. Maybe, just maybe, we need Trump and rock bottom in order to start seeing the light and stop doing ourselves in. Believe me, I don't say any of this lightly.

Free said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Free said:

tonifig8 said:

Kat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Seriously.
And thanks for that brain image above. That's just sad...but funny too.
Have a great week, everyone.

Why Don't we talk about how the DNC helped rig the primaries? And as soon as the DWS resigned HRC hired her on. Why don't we talk about how Clinton received debate questions in advance of the debate?

Awwwwww

Why talk about things that are unpleasant to her supporters?

what I keep finding amusing is that one side claims the other side is so much worse and underhanded than the other. give me a break. THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS. if you think one side is better than the other, you are a fool. it comes down to nothing more than voting for whomever you think won't nuke the planet.

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so you think liars lean right? I can't say I agree with that.

Not necessarily...I'm saying that the right has to lie/deceive in order to pull people to their team.

Why else would a working class family vote republican? The republicans are the ones that want to privatize social security, get rid of the ACA, cut taxes for the wealthy, etc. on the backs of the middle class. They convince the middle class voters by frightening them with big government, terrorism, welfare state, immigrants, etc. (I should also add..."taking away your guns", "war against christianity")

To tell you this but the Dems are just as bad. You got to candidates and both of them are the 1% and they represent the 1%. You're not fooling anyone.

Excuse me....when you are a 1%er that takes positions that makes the 1%ers pay MORE in taxes, etc. that is far more honest than the 1%er that wants to cut his own taxes.

Wake up

Apparently I am more wide-awake than you are. You apologize for Hillary. You have never had one critical word for her. She is a 1%er Who changed rule so she could take big money for her campaign. She screwed another candidate out of winning. She cheated by paying superdelegates.

So wake up yourself.

you can't prove she cheated. maybe she did, maybe she didn't. but there's no proof she did anything that is against the rules as they stand today, as much as those rules suck, she didn't go outside of them.

brianlux said:

I really do appreciate that Hillary supports sincerely believe she is the best choice (even if only because you loath Trump) but here's an idea that will frost some, no doubt. Maybe we need Trump. Follow my logic for a minute:

Years ago I had a close friend who was literally drinking herself to death. I knew her counselor and I met with him to discuss what could be done to save her life. I felt desperate. He told me that enabling her would help her in the short term but that it just might be that the only thing left that could save her was for her to hit rock bottom. By rock bottom he meant homelessness, near starvation, and extreme ill health. I was angry at him for even suggesting that. But he explained that the route she was on with the enabling she was receiving from friends like me would definitely lead to her demise. He said rock bottom for her could very possibly kill her but could also lead her to take extreme measure to climb back out of her bottomless pit. She eventually moved back in with people who enabled her and she went on to drink herself to death.

Democracy is in bad shape. America is in terrible shape. Nominating two incompetent, undesirable candidates in of itself is proof of that. Maybe, just maybe, we need Trump and rock bottom in order to start seeing the light and stop doing ourselves in. Believe me, I don't say any of this lightly.

america is far from in terrible shape. that's just sensationalizing and bs rhetoric. you're better than that.

PJ_Soul said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

I really do appreciate that Hillary supports sincerely believe she is the best choice (even if only because you loath Trump) but here's an idea that will frost some, no doubt. Maybe we need Trump. Follow my logic for a minute:

Years ago I had a close friend who was literally drinking herself to death. I knew her counselor and I met with him to discuss what could be done to save her life. I felt desperate. He told me that enabling her would help her in the short term but that it just might be that the only thing left that could save her was for her to hit rock bottom. By rock bottom he meant homelessness, near starvation, and extreme ill health. I was angry at him for even suggesting that. But he explained that the route she was on with the enabling she was receiving from friends like me would definitely lead to her demise. He said rock bottom for her could very possibly kill her but could also lead her to take extreme measure to climb back out of her bottomless pit. She eventually moved back in with people who enabled her and she went on to drink herself to death.

Democracy is in bad shape. America is in terrible shape. Nominating two incompetent, undesirable candidates in of itself is proof of that. Maybe, just maybe, we need Trump and rock bottom in order to start seeing the light and stop doing ourselves in. Believe me, I don't say any of this lightly.

america is far from in terrible shape. that's just sensationalizing and bs rhetoric. you're better than that.

Agreed.... in certain contexts. But I think the state of the government and the people's attitude about the government in America is in terrible shape. America is pretty fucked up on a social level right now. It seems to actually be devolving.

Not sure how you can say that. Change is hard, but more people have more rights than they have ever had. Getting there is messy.

brianlux said:

Well, I just tell it like I see it. Maybe I am full of shit but my shit is honest.

You sound like GF. The country is in terrible shape without any supporting evidence

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Free said:

tonifig8 said:

Kat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Seriously.
And thanks for that brain image above. That's just sad...but funny too.
Have a great week, everyone.

Why Don't we talk about how the DNC helped rig the primaries? And as soon as the DWS resigned HRC hired her on. Why don't we talk about how Clinton received debate questions in advance of the debate?

Awwwwww

Why talk about things that are unpleasant to her supporters?

what I keep finding amusing is that one side claims the other side is so much worse and underhanded than the other. give me a break. THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS. if you think one side is better than the other, you are a fool. it comes down to nothing more than voting for whomever you think won't nuke the planet.

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so you think liars lean right? I can't say I agree with that.

Not necessarily...I'm saying that the right has to lie/deceive in order to pull people to their team.

Why else would a working class family vote republican? The republicans are the ones that want to privatize social security, get rid of the ACA, cut taxes for the wealthy, etc. on the backs of the middle class. They convince the middle class voters by frightening them with big government, terrorism, welfare state, immigrants, etc. (I should also add..."taking away your guns", "war against christianity")

To tell you this but the Dems are just as bad. You got to candidates and both of them are the 1% and they represent the 1%. You're not fooling anyone.

Excuse me....when you are a 1%er that takes positions that makes the 1%ers pay MORE in taxes, etc. that is far more honest than the 1%er that wants to cut his own taxes.

Wake up

the 1% will never pay more in taxes...and someway, somehow if that every happened if you think they wont line their pockets back up by making us pay for the difference then i don't know what to tell you

What in gods name are you talking about? The 1% pay more now than they did when Obama took office. They will pay more in 2016 and 2017 as well.

Do you need me to give you links to the fucking tax brackets that are available for anyone with google to see?

Clinton has discussed raising taxes and also lifting the social security wage cap....inform yourself please

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Free said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Free said:

tonifig8 said:

Kat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Seriously.
And thanks for that brain image above. That's just sad...but funny too.
Have a great week, everyone.

Why Don't we talk about how the DNC helped rig the primaries? And as soon as the DWS resigned HRC hired her on. Why don't we talk about how Clinton received debate questions in advance of the debate?

Awwwwww

Why talk about things that are unpleasant to her supporters?

what I keep finding amusing is that one side claims the other side is so much worse and underhanded than the other. give me a break. THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS. if you think one side is better than the other, you are a fool. it comes down to nothing more than voting for whomever you think won't nuke the planet.

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so you think liars lean right? I can't say I agree with that.

Not necessarily...I'm saying that the right has to lie/deceive in order to pull people to their team.

Why else would a working class family vote republican? The republicans are the ones that want to privatize social security, get rid of the ACA, cut taxes for the wealthy, etc. on the backs of the middle class. They convince the middle class voters by frightening them with big government, terrorism, welfare state, immigrants, etc. (I should also add..."taking away your guns", "war against christianity")

To tell you this but the Dems are just as bad. You got to candidates and both of them are the 1% and they represent the 1%. You're not fooling anyone.

hahaha ... tax brackets and tax rates don't mean shit to the 1 percenters, absolutely nothing, they have teams of accountants and lawyers that get them paying the absolute least tax possible. Income taxes are regressive taxes, national sales are far more effective and makes it much harder to avoid paying taxes ... and in my opinion probably the fairest tax as well.

Excuse me....when you are a 1%er that takes positions that makes the 1%ers pay MORE in taxes, etc. that is far more honest than the 1%er that wants to cut his own taxes.

Wake up

the 1% will never pay more in taxes...and someway, somehow if that every happened if you think they wont line their pockets back up by making us pay for the difference then i don't know what to tell you

What in gods name are you talking about? The 1% pay more now than they did when Obama took office. They will pay more in 2016 and 2017 as well.

Do you need me to give you links to the fucking tax brackets that are available for anyone with google to see?

Clinton has discussed raising taxes and also lifting the social security wage cap....inform yourself please

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

I really do appreciate that Hillary supports sincerely believe she is the best choice (even if only because you loath Trump) but here's an idea that will frost some, no doubt. Maybe we need Trump. Follow my logic for a minute:

Years ago I had a close friend who was literally drinking herself to death. I knew her counselor and I met with him to discuss what could be done to save her life. I felt desperate. He told me that enabling her would help her in the short term but that it just might be that the only thing left that could save her was for her to hit rock bottom. By rock bottom he meant homelessness, near starvation, and extreme ill health. I was angry at him for even suggesting that. But he explained that the route she was on with the enabling she was receiving from friends like me would definitely lead to her demise. He said rock bottom for her could very possibly kill her but could also lead her to take extreme measure to climb back out of her bottomless pit. She eventually moved back in with people who enabled her and she went on to drink herself to death.

Democracy is in bad shape. America is in terrible shape. Nominating two incompetent, undesirable candidates in of itself is proof of that. Maybe, just maybe, we need Trump and rock bottom in order to start seeing the light and stop doing ourselves in. Believe me, I don't say any of this lightly.

america is far from in terrible shape. that's just sensationalizing and bs rhetoric. you're better than that.

Agreed.... in certain contexts. But I think the state of the government and the people's attitude about the government in America is in terrible shape. America is pretty fucked up on a social level right now. It seems to actually be devolving.

Not sure how you can say that. Change is hard, but more people have more rights than they have ever had. Getting there is messy.

But half the country is trying (and sometimes succeeding) at removing rights at the same time. That seems really backwards to me. I mean fuck, the right to choose is still under viscous debate in the US and religion in politics has practically become a norm in many states. Some places are reinstating the teaching of creationism in schools for crying out loud. In some contexts, I think the US seems to be going backwards.

They are not taking away rights, they fighting to preserve the status quo. Sometimes it gets reactionary but we are moving forward. Sometimes it's 2 forward and 1 back though.

But if Trump wins, the new court could reverse it all.

What about abortion rights? Many women are losing rights in that context. The status quo is not being maintained. There is a concerted effort to reduce those rights all over the country. It's moving backwards, not forwards. Did you know that the number of abortion clinics in Texas went from 41 to 18 in only 3 years because of new laws? Same with certain counties with creationism. Same with all the rights being violated in the name of anti-terrorism.

I think since Nixon, people have had a negative attitude about the government that has stayed at about the same level over time. You do get peaks and valleys about trust of the government depending on what's happening at the time. Drama and political shenanigans has been going on since the start, and media has always been fixated on it.