Some facts for the Obama haters

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,480
    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    rgambs said:

    Smellyman said:

    wait times over bankruptcy. It would be hard to choose one over the other.

    Yeah, we all know how Canadians stream across the border for our healthcare lol
    They do. Less wait times and access to both drugs and technologies that might not be available here.
    I don't know one person in my 42 years that have gone south for any type of treatment whatsoever. NOT ONE.
    I know quite a few.
    what kind? lifesaving? or maintenance surgery? and was it because they might die waiting, or was it simply because they could afford to do it?
    All of the above. It also includes treatments not approved here (in Ontario at least) that were available south of the border. I can speak to my father's lung cancer treatment specifically.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-health-tourists-drop-1.3800729

    less than 1% of ALL patients (lifesaving and maintenance) leave Canada for healthcare. Note that plastic surgery is the same or higher than oncology and cardiovascular patients.

    And I support this:

    Barua said that while the report does not offer prescriptions for how to improve Canadian health care, countries with better wait times usually do three things differently than Canada:

    Include some private partnership or private sector alternatives to government-funded health care.
    Implement a cost-sharing user fee model where patients pay a deductible or flat fee for accessing services.
    Fund hospitals based on the number and type of patients they treat rather than providing a global budget.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited October 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Wait times in canada don't effect any illness that can cause permanent risks to your health. Yes, sometimes you have to wait a little longer for knee surgery than in the US, but you wont go poor because of it. Heart trouble? Lung issues? Cancer? You get immediate treatment. Not sure why this is such a big deal to tour average american. My daughter has ulcerative colitis, and her care is covered 100% (its $5,000 every 6 weeks for her infusions, and hundreds more for her daily meds). I cant imagine dealing with that in the US. Yeah, universal health care is so fucking evil. :lucky:

    +1. It ain't perfect, but I still love the Canadian healthcare system. I can feel totally secure in the knowledge that if I have any kind of life threatening condition or acute injury or condition that could further harm my health, I will be taken care of promptly and well, without being harmed financially. To me, that is 1000% worth a longer wait time for a hip replacement.
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  • unsung
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited October 2016
    So what legacy does he leave behind? he improved his golf game, killed Bin Laden, let ISIS grow to the power it is, commenting on everything race related, and left behind an Obama Care disaster....all in 8 years worth of work
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,480
    you left haters make me laugh.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    pjalive21 said:

    So what legacy does he leave behind? he improved his golf game, killed Bin Laden, let ISIS grow to the power it is, commenting on everything race related, and left behind an Obama Care disaster....all in 8 years worth of work

    There's a factual legacy that will develop over time, and the consensus being that he led the country out of economic disaster, wound down two wars, and improved a horrible health insurance system the took us closer to a single-payer system, all while facing stubborn hard line opposition from Republicans (which got them Trump). Righties who think Reagan was awesome will disagree with this all the way to their deathbed.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    Go Beavers said:

    pjalive21 said:

    So what legacy does he leave behind? he improved his golf game, killed Bin Laden, let ISIS grow to the power it is, commenting on everything race related, and left behind an Obama Care disaster....all in 8 years worth of work

    There's a factual legacy that will develop over time, and the consensus being that he led the country out of economic disaster, wound down two wars, and improved a horrible health insurance system the took us closer to a single-payer system, all while facing stubborn hard line opposition from Republicans (which got them Trump). Righties who think Reagan was awesome will disagree with this all the way to their deathbed.
    Ronald Reagan: Added $1.86 trillion, 186% increase in the $998 billion debt level at the end of Carter's last budget, FY 1981. See Did Reaganomics Work?
    •FY 1989 - $255 billion.
    •FY 1988 - $252 billion.
    •FY 1987 - $225 billion.
    •FY 1986 - $297 billion.
    •FY 1985 - $256 billion.
    •FY 1984 - $195 billion.
    •FY 1983 - $235 billion.
    •FY 1982 - $144 billion.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:

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    so single payer it is then!
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Yeah, because they manage things so well!!!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,122
    interesting how obama's approval rating is at an all time high for a president this far in second term. all in spite of outright opposition from the republicans.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    How much would you pay to let someone else play golf with Tiger Woods? $3.6M?

    I wonder how many body cams you could buy with $3.6M?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    interesting how obama's approval rating is at an all time high for a president this far in second term. all in spite of outright opposition from the republicans.

    Anyone would look like a genius with the Trump / Clinton show in full swing.
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited October 2016
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    interesting how obama's approval rating is at an all time high for a president this far in second term. all in spite of outright opposition from the republicans.

    That's not saying much for the American people who are so out of touch with reality that his approval rating is where its at with Obama Care screwing the same people who probably gave him approval and these are the same American people who are giving us Trump and HRC as options for president...so my faith in people to make informed decisions in this country is slim to none...what gives me any hope is some people on this board, tho i may disagree with most of them can sure in the hell back up their side
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/28/news/economy/us-economic-growth-gdp-third-quarter/index.html

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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/28/news/economy/us-economic-growth-gdp-third-quarter/index.html

    Growth was sluggish in the first half of the year, averaging just above 1%.

    Lets go ahead and forget this part

    im not one to pin the economy on the president unless he passes some sort of legislature or something like Obama Care that can effect the market or Bush and the housing crisis...perfect example was Bill Clinton and the tech boom wave he rode
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    Yea, no credit, no where, country's just all gone to hell, I get it.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    Make yourself scared and vote Republican!
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Yea, no credit, no where, country's just all gone to hell, I get it.


    I give credit for Bin Laden and attempting to give health care to those that had pre existing conditions where otherwise they would have been left out in the cold, but the long term planning of Obama Care was not well thought by the "architect" Ezekiel Emanuel and company

    IMO more negatives than positives for the president
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,071
    Bump to get open threads on page 1
  • Ninetytworules
    Ninetytworules Boston Posts: 454
    Last-12-Exit said:

    rgambs said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    I have not being an outspoken Obama hater. I don't think he's been a good president. And I have been against the bailouts and Obamacare. That being said, wasn't it under his watch that unemployment rose to over 10%? So it would seem natural that the trend would have to come back down. Just like Reagan, when you cause high rates of unemployment, at some point it's going to drop. The economy is cyclical. It's gets really bad, then bounces back. The surprise here to me is that Obama got to see a second term, most presidents that have screwed the economy don't get that chance.

    You have a tenuous grasp on the financial collapse and resulting recession if you think that Obama "screwed the economy."
    I don't blame Obama alone. GW didn't help matter and Clinton started the mess.
    Actually Reagan started the mess. To quote his own VP with "voodoo economics "

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