Hillary won more votes for President

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/25/colin-powell-i-m-voting-for-hillary-clinton.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

I agree with Colin Powell.

Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.

Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.

Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.

Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.

France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.

Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.

Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.

You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.

People want change, and they also don't want change. Check and see how many incumbents stay in congress for your evidence.

Right and this year there is a presidential candidate running against all of them including the incumbents of his own party.

tonifig8 said:

mrussel1 said:

tonifig8 said:

rssesq said:

msnbc is where most dems go for mainlinemedia

I must admit that use to be me. I haven't watched MSNBC in almost two years. Gave it up completely, been sober for almost two years...

I use to be a big fan of Rachel M. and was probably one of maybe 10 people in the country who would actually watch lawrence o'donnell

Do you disagree with my post?

Btw, I like O'Donnell as a guest but he isn't good enough to have his own show. He's not that interesting. Rachel is. So is Megan Kelly, btw. I think they are the two strongest political personalities today.

Matt's buzzing!!!! hahaha

I must also admit, getting buzzed and hitting AMT is a lot of fun! Especially when you have a lot of users on board.

Nah, still on a plane. But I have the Disco Biscuits Thursday and Phish Friday, so I believe I will be plenty.

Listen to Bernie....

https://youtu.be/On06GkDznOg

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/25/colin-powell-i-m-voting-for-hillary-clinton.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

I agree with Colin Powell.

Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.

Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.

Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.

Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.

France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.

Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.

Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.

You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.

People want change, and they also don't want change. Check and see how many incumbents stay in congress for your evidence.

Right and this year there is a presidential candidate running against all of them including the incumbents of his own party.

So how do you think Trump unintentionally torpedo'ing the GOP is going to do?

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/25/colin-powell-i-m-voting-for-hillary-clinton.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

I agree with Colin Powell.

Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.

Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.

Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.

Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.

France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.

Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.

Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.

You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.

People want change, and they also don't want change. Check and see how many incumbents stay in congress for your evidence.

Right and this year there is a presidential candidate running against all of them including the incumbents of his own party.

So how do you think Trump unintentionally torpedo'ing the GOP is going to do?

What makes you think it's unintentional?

Because he's a self-serving egomaniac that doesn't give a shit about anything but his own interests. Those interest don't include improving society.

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/25/colin-powell-i-m-voting-for-hillary-clinton.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

I agree with Colin Powell.

Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.

Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.

Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.

Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.

France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.

Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.

Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.

You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.

Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.

BS44325 said:

eddiec said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/25/colin-powell-i-m-voting-for-hillary-clinton.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

I agree with Colin Powell.

Shocking that the washington establishment is voting for the washington establishment.

Yeah four star general, sec of state, etc. What a piece of shit.

Not a piece of shit just a man who wants to maintain the status quo. That's the choice. Keep it going or burn it down.

Burn it down? Give me some examples in the 300 years where they burned it down and something better came behind it.

France 1789? Russia 1917? Germany 33? Spain? How about China and the Cultural Revolution. No thanks. Burn down your own fucking country, leave ours alone.

Now who's being melodramatic? Nobody's talking about a revolution but just a mass restructuring of government agencies at the federal level. Washington is broken. You are either voting to take a stab at fixing it or voting for more of the same.

Words matter, Mr. Trump. Use the proper ones. It why we are in this shit election today.

You are in this shit election today because the professional politicians from either party have been bystandards to horrible governance for the longest time. Washington is broken and people are now willing to throw in their lot with a charlatan. Is the cure worse then the disease? Is the cure even a cure at all? Who knows but it is time for alternative forms of treatment because the disease cannot go on.

Agreed there are areas of the federal government that need work but how many supporters of Trump are actually voting for him for this reason? All I hear is 'He speaks the truth' or 'Hillary is a liar' from his supporters. Where are the people supporting Trump who want to uproot the government? I'm sure there are but they are in the minority of his supporters, I would go as low as 5%. Look at his rallies. He's inciting the crowd to turn on the press and the followers are following his lead. These are not the type of people who are there because they are in tune with the workings (good or bad) of the federal government. I think you are giving way too much credit to his supporters.

I think it is the exact opposite. You accept the narrative and caricature of "the deplorables" and hence do not give his supporters enough credit. It is why I linked to that Michael Moore video before. He is no right winger and is certainly not a Trump supporter but understands that he is speaking to a massive segment of the population that just want to "throw the bums out". These people are not racists and are not idiots and they might not even like Trump but what they want to do is give the establishment a giant middle finger and Trump is the vehicle to do that. Washington is broken and the choice is something different or more of the same. That is it. The election is about nothing else.

That's all fine and dandy as a narrative to make you feel better about conservatism, but it doesn't square with what we here in America are seeing and hearing on a daily basis.
The "blow it up" people who aren't idiots or deplorables are mostly going 3rd party or abstaining. Sure, some non-deplorables are supporting him, the half dumbasses who know nothing about politics at all. The fact is, people with critical thinking skills know that he is not going to blow anything up or change the status quo. I don't really believe that you believe he will do so, you know as well as the rest of us it will be politics and corruption as usual, just with a more conservative flavor.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of Trump's support is coming from the aptly named deplorables. Trump signs go hand in hand with Confederate flags, every white racist in the country who votes for POTUS will vote for Trump, believe it. One of my neighbors has a sign that says "Trump that B**ch"
Classy.
His campaign exploded on the premise that Mexico sends their rapists to America, that is pretty telling. His demographic support is telling. His white supremacist support is telling. Everything points to the "blow it up" people being the fringe among his support base.