9/11 Mysteries

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

Ok believe that if you wish that all those factors were true I still do not believe that building would come down at free fall speed and collapse in its own footprint. If the foundation ground zero was so compromised why weren't any other buildings compromised. That building fell in far too of a controlled fashion for fire, debris and a compromised foundation to bring it down.

Peace

mace1229 said:

g under p said:

PJ_Soul said:

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

Ok believe that if you wish that all those factors were true I still do not believe that building would come down at free fall speed and collapse in its own footprint. If the foundation ground zero was so compromised why weren't any other buildings compromised. That building fell in far too of a controlled fashion for fire, debris and a compromised foundation to bring it down.

Peace

Controlled demolitions can't be done without those working in the building knowing about it well ahead of time though. Are you suggesting that the building was emptied for days so that it could be prepared for a controlled demolition that coincided with the collapse of the twin towers? Or are you suggesting that everyone who worked in tower 7 has kept it a secret that preparations for a controlled demolition had taken place in the days leading up to 9/11?

Every time I get ready to answer your logical questions I get these severe legs cramps that last forever from cycling. Bare with me I'm fighting through them as I write, if I stop they've become for too much to bare.

Well this is all I know....if controlled demolition is to be considered there comes forth a serious problem for it to be plausible. That is thousand of pounds of explosives would be needed, planted in and around the core columns and throughout the building's internal frameworks. So this leads to someone knew what was about to happen on 9/11. It means someone with enough power, means and ready access to delicate parts of the building. Security was tight after the 1993 attack, so fast forward who was in charge of the WTC Complex.....Securacom. From 1999-2002 they provided security for WTC, United Airlines and Dulles Airport and the CEO of the company Marvin P. Bush and cousin Wirt Walker III. Just providing a little background as to the security of the WTC Complex.

Having several well documented power outages and many floor shutdowns, evacuations that came weeks before 9/11. With Securacom in control of security of which no one would question gave perfect opportunities to carry up and plant all the necessary explosives under the disguise of maintenance or retrofitting work. So the possibility of explosives being planted in Building 7 was there mainly due to who was in control of security. This was one of the very first questions I had as to who had the control to have WTC security force to stand down or think not to question much of the evacs or so called maintenance work that was being done.

As for the Towers that's for someone else's debate......my main concern and questions from what I've read is Building 7, I'll leave it there.

Peace

I don't see how you can separate tower 7 from the other 2. If you believe tower 7 was set up, then it would have to go without saying so was everything else, unless you want to believe whoever planned to blow up tower 7 was so lucky to do it on 9/11 when only a few would seriously be asking questions and could pass all the blame.
Maybe it was "possible" for an inside job on tower 7, but for the whole thing to be set up just doesn't seem even possible to me on the scale that it was. Which in my opinion eliminates the option for any of it to be a set up-seems like an all or nothing deal to me.

ledvedderman said:

Negative. I think there was another gun man.

mace1229 said:

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

Ok believe that if you wish that all those factors were true I still do not believe that building would come down at free fall speed and collapse in its own footprint. If the foundation ground zero was so compromised why weren't any other buildings compromised. That building fell in far too of a controlled fashion for fire, debris and a compromised foundation to bring it down.

Peace

People seem to be stuck on the notion of free fall speed. If something is falling, it's falling at free fall speed. Once the collapse begins, theres nothing stopping it. It's falling. How else is a building supposed to fall? Do you really think it should have tipped over? The support of those buildings all rely on all loads being accounted for equally. I'm sure there are designs that account for very limited load transfer. But when a large section of structural load has failed, it all fails.

I can't tell you why other building didn't collapse. My best guess is that they did not sustain the same damage building 7 took when the planes crashed into the buildings. When those buildings fell, I can't remember the total amount of weight that came down, but that I'd definitely enough to compromise the foundation of a building next to it that has already sustained damage and is burning out of control.

You know what I think in future demolition we should just set asemetrical fires let it burn and patiently wait for it to fall semetrically in its own footprint.

Well, I'm not an architect but I've played that game what's it called Jenga. So if one of those lower loading blocks in the game is pulled/removed the wooden block structure falls. I'm sure an architect would say that the speed at which Building 7 fell is important in that shows the steel structure had no resistance as it fell semetrically into itself. To achieve this the core steel had to be compromised for a 47 story steel building to fall semetrically in 7 seconds from a fire that wasn't even raging. NIST reports says Building 7 fell from office furniture fires. If that's the case this would the first high rise steel structure to fall into its footprint.

Images that I've seen of Building 7 before the collapse I really did not see astronomical damage caused from the earlier buildings that fell. It appeared to be intact but I could be wrong. The foundation point could be valid however it's the first I've heard of this. Building 7 was built in the mid 80's I believe and I'm sure it was built to hold its own in case of a rare earthquake. I could be wrong but I doubt the Towers fall was on the the level of an earthquake yet B7 came down as fast as dropping one's car keys from two stories. No I do not expect that building to tip over from furniture fire, what I would expect is a much slower collapse. If this building was ever going to fall from fires on mid level floors.

In the end it's probably best to speak to architects or a demolitician expert and hear what they have to say. I'm far from saying I'm right in what I have to say I'm just have questions and going on what saw then said on that terrible day of 9/11.....*oh shit, that building (B7) came down like controlled demolition*.

Peace

Remember that game "Rampage" with the giant lizards on Nintendo? Those buildings fell straight down.