9/11 Mysteries

comatose2016

Why not? I guess we can spend 10 years looking for a dead guy.
I'm not sure what the hell to believe anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html#
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4672891/dna-tests-confirm-bin-laden-killed/?#sp=show-clips

I think it's time for some cannabis.

ledvedderman

I guess the only reasonable explanation is that my friend's dad and your dad are obviously involved in a government conspiracy as well as HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of other people and not one has said a peep.

Ok. Makes sense.

mace1229

No, that's just stupid. Obviously you're the government agency hired to spread rumors! I know too much now......

Degeneratefk

comatose2016 said:

Nice!
Since you have a lyric in your signature from one of my all time fav PJ songs, here goes:
Let's start with the 2 towers. Ponder this:
- No planes hit the buildings (there is the possibility nothing hit the buildings at all - pure CGI, followed by more CGI or explosives - I forget)
- The towers were gutted prior to 9/11 - over the course of their history, they were probably not more than 30% capacity - they especially had trouble getting tenants after '93. I remember the clean up crews saying 'no door knobs, no desks, no phones' when going through the wreckage.
- I think 2 fake companies were made up to make it seem like they were on the floors where the impact was - Cantor Fitzgerald comes to mind. These 2 companies comprised of about 1000 of the victims.
- Google the 'Italian Artists Twin Towers' - they were in the building for 4 years I think prior to 2001. You will see them hanging out the windows and dropping dummies
- I don't think the actual collapse of the buildings were shown on TV - CGI I think to throw off people with the molten steel and puffs of smoke and things like that
Pretty crazy eh?

Yes crazy. If you believe even oneb word of this then you lose all,credibility

Degeneratefk

comatose2016 said:

And the families might be actors? I'm not saying no one died but it's prob wayyy lower then we heard.

Just,when I thought you couldn't say something as insulting as your first post, you say this

g under p

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

Degeneratefk

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

JC29856

comatose2016 said:

I don't know guys - this is a sensitive subject as everyone knows - a friend of mine said he has a friend whose friend lost someone. I have spot checked a few victims and they do not appear in the SS Death Index (doesn't include obits/cemeteries) as Simon stated, but do come up in searches that includes obits/cemeteries.
I just saw an article about Obama vetoing a bill to allow families to sue Saudi Arabia:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/us/politics/9-11-saudi-bill-veto-obama.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article
It mentions Kristen Breitweiser, so I decided to check her husband Ronald in SSDI and it came up empty as well.

Ok, my mind is open to anything and everything, I rule out nothing but your telling me josh reiss was not killed on 911?

g under p

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

Ok believe that if you wish that all those factors were true I still do not believe that building would come down at free fall speed and collapse in its own footprint. If the foundation ground zero was so compromised why weren't any other buildings compromised. That building fell in far too of a controlled fashion for fire, debris and a compromised foundation to bring it down.

Peace

PJ_Soul

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

Ok believe that if you wish that all those factors were true I still do not believe that building would come down at free fall speed and collapse in its own footprint. If the foundation ground zero was so compromised why weren't any other buildings compromised. That building fell in far too of a controlled fashion for fire, debris and a compromised foundation to bring it down.

Peace

Controlled demolitions can't be done without those working in the building knowing about it well ahead of time though. Are you suggesting that the building was emptied for days so that it could be prepared for a controlled demolition that coincided with the collapse of the twin towers? Or are you suggesting that everyone who worked in tower 7 has kept it a secret that preparations for a controlled demolition had taken place in the days leading up to 9/11?

HughFreakingDillon

comatose2016 said:

Why not? I guess we can spend 10 years looking for a dead guy.
I'm not sure what the hell to believe anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html#
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4672891/dna-tests-confirm-bin-laden-killed/?#sp=show-clips

I think it's time for some cannabis.

I think it's time for you to quit, to be honest.

mace1229

Come on guys. Everyone knows it was obviously staged by anti-Nickelback fans to hinder the release of their album "Silver Side Up" that was released that day.
Who here owns a copy of "Silver Side up"? Exactly!

Jason P

Our government couldn't even pull off hiding some WMD's in Iraq which would have gotten them off the hook.

Think about that. Really hard. Then consider that the same group of people were able to pull off 9/11. Then slap yourself if you still ponder if it may be possible.

ledvedderman

Jason P said:

Our government couldn't even pull off hiding some WMD's in Iraq which would have gotten them off the hook.

Think about that. Really hard. Then consider that the same group of people were able to pull off 9/11. Then slap yourself if you still ponder if it may be possible.

Boom.

Not to mention a president can't get a blow job without it getting out. But something the scale of 9/11 can go off without a hitch? If you say so, buddy.

Bentleyspop

Try telling the people I know who died, and their families, that it didn't happen.
Try telling the people I worked with, who to this day carry physical and emotional scars, that it didn't happen.

g under p

PJ_Soul said:

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

Ok believe that if you wish that all those factors were true I still do not believe that building would come down at free fall speed and collapse in its own footprint. If the foundation ground zero was so compromised why weren't any other buildings compromised. That building fell in far too of a controlled fashion for fire, debris and a compromised foundation to bring it down.

Peace

Controlled demolitions can't be done without those working in the building knowing about it well ahead of time though. Are you suggesting that the building was emptied for days so that it could be prepared for a controlled demolition that coincided with the collapse of the twin towers? Or are you suggesting that everyone who worked in tower 7 has kept it a secret that preparations for a controlled demolition had taken place in the days leading up to 9/11?

Every time I get ready to answer your logical questions I get these severe legs cramps that last forever from cycling. Bare with me I'm fighting through them as I write, if I stop they've become for too much to bare.

Well this is all I know....if controlled demolition is to be considered there comes forth a serious problem for it to be plausible. That is thousand of pounds of explosives would be needed, planted in and around the core columns and throughout the building's internal frameworks. So this leads to someone knew what was about to happen on 9/11. It means someone with enough power, means and ready access to delicate parts of the building. Security was tight after the 1993 attack, so fast forward who was in charge of the WTC Complex.....Securacom. From 1999-2002 they provided security for WTC, United Airlines and Dulles Airport and the CEO of the company Marvin P. Bush and cousin Wirt Walker III. Just providing a little background as to the security of the WTC Complex.

Having several well documented power outages and many floor shutdowns, evacuations that came weeks before 9/11. With Securacom in control of security of which no one would question gave perfect opportunities to carry up and plant all the necessary explosives under the disguise of maintenance or retrofitting work. So the possibility of explosives being planted in Building 7 was there mainly due to who was in control of security. This was one of the very first questions I had as to who had the control to have WTC security force to stand down or think not to question much of the evacs or so called maintenance work that was being done.

As for the Towers that's for someone else's debate......my main concern and questions from what I've read is Building 7, I'll leave it there.

Peace

ledvedderman

I can respect that, G. I think those are fine things to point out and things I still question to this day.
There's a fine line between tasteful debate driven 9/11 topic and just flat out being disrespectful to anyone impacted by 9/11.

comatose2016

No disrespect meant at all - no way. I never said I agreed with any findings yet - I merely tried to point out things I have found. No planes? No deaths? Seems crazy, sure, but so does everything else about that day.
This is really the first time I've tried to do an in depth look myself - I had no idea what I was getting into - all the comments have been great though. I'm glad we are all still passionate about this.

comatose2016

Sorry you guys had to be my guinea pig down this rabbit hole - but I couldn't think of a better place to try than with PJ fans..

mace1229

g under p said:

PJ_Soul said:

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

g under p said:

Wow, I go away for a couple of days and out of the blue this thread is back. So anything new.....well to this day I'm mystified about the free fall speed Building 7 fell into its own footprint. All from a fire that supposedly burned for 10 hours or less. I've seen a control demolition and if Building 7 wasn't one I know of no fire that could've done that in that short period.....then fall in the fashion that it did.

Peace

It was just fire. It was the fire combined with falling debris from the impact of 2 planes hitting the towers. Also, when the Teo 110 story buildings collapsed, it completely compromised the foundation that tower7 stood on. So when consider all of those factors, it isn't hard to believe the building fell like that. It actually makes a lot more sense that months of secret planning and secret demolition plans going on with nobody knowing.

Ok believe that if you wish that all those factors were true I still do not believe that building would come down at free fall speed and collapse in its own footprint. If the foundation ground zero was so compromised why weren't any other buildings compromised. That building fell in far too of a controlled fashion for fire, debris and a compromised foundation to bring it down.

Peace

Controlled demolitions can't be done without those working in the building knowing about it well ahead of time though. Are you suggesting that the building was emptied for days so that it could be prepared for a controlled demolition that coincided with the collapse of the twin towers? Or are you suggesting that everyone who worked in tower 7 has kept it a secret that preparations for a controlled demolition had taken place in the days leading up to 9/11?

Every time I get ready to answer your logical questions I get these severe legs cramps that last forever from cycling. Bare with me I'm fighting through them as I write, if I stop they've become for too much to bare.

Well this is all I know....if controlled demolition is to be considered there comes forth a serious problem for it to be plausible. That is thousand of pounds of explosives would be needed, planted in and around the core columns and throughout the building's internal frameworks. So this leads to someone knew what was about to happen on 9/11. It means someone with enough power, means and ready access to delicate parts of the building. Security was tight after the 1993 attack, so fast forward who was in charge of the WTC Complex.....Securacom. From 1999-2002 they provided security for WTC, United Airlines and Dulles Airport and the CEO of the company Marvin P. Bush and cousin Wirt Walker III. Just providing a little background as to the security of the WTC Complex.

Having several well documented power outages and many floor shutdowns, evacuations that came weeks before 9/11. With Securacom in control of security of which no one would question gave perfect opportunities to carry up and plant all the necessary explosives under the disguise of maintenance or retrofitting work. So the possibility of explosives being planted in Building 7 was there mainly due to who was in control of security. This was one of the very first questions I had as to who had the control to have WTC security force to stand down or think not to question much of the evacs or so called maintenance work that was being done.

As for the Towers that's for someone else's debate......my main concern and questions from what I've read is Building 7, I'll leave it there.

Peace

I don't see how you can separate tower 7 from the other 2. If you believe tower 7 was set up, then it would have to go without saying so was everything else, unless you want to believe whoever planned to blow up tower 7 was so lucky to do it on 9/11 when only a few would seriously be asking questions and could pass all the blame.
Maybe it was "possible" for an inside job on tower 7, but for the whole thing to be set up just doesn't seem even possible to me on the scale that it was. Which in my opinion eliminates the option for any of it to be a set up-seems like an all or nothing deal to me.