French PM backs burkini bans as three more towns consider outlawing garments
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show me bathing attire from the late 1800's and early 1900's.
whats really the difference on the surface?
some of the argument has been based on "morals" . so exhibiting modesty in dress is immoral but string bikinis or thongs arent?_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Can we show you the standard attire from just 40-50 years ago instead? You know where women could wear blue jeans and show their faces in public before these radical extremists decided that women no longer had rights and should be treated worse than stray dogs?mickeyrat said:show me bathing attire from the late 1800's and early 1900's.
whats really the difference on the surface?
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they should ban wetsuits and drysuits too._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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you can't force cultural change. it has to happen organically without outside interference. and the burkinis don't cover the face. it looks the same as a bloody wetsuit.unsung said:
Can we show you the standard attire from just 40-50 years ago instead? You know where women could wear blue jeans and show their faces in public before these radical extremists decided that women no longer had rights and should be treated worse than stray dogs?mickeyrat said:show me bathing attire from the late 1800's and early 1900's.
whats really the difference on the surface?
some of the argument has been based on "morals" . so exhibiting modesty in dress is immoral but string bikinis or thongs arent?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
we really need to crack down on the amish the lds and the ultra-orthodox jews too._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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This is stupid. I couldn't be more against this "cover up" thing that the Muslims have going for women - it is an in-your-face symbol of female oppression and male aggression and domination. But telling people what they can and can't wear is so ridiculous. The only way to change this sexist cultural tradition is through education and the continued push for Islamic women's rights and freedoms, especially among Muslim men. That is a steep uphill battle (worth fighting). These kinds of bans only make those who support such archaic and sexist traditions dig their heels in even further.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
It's no different than places in first world countries enforcing a dress code to get into their establishments.PJ_Soul said:This is stupid. I couldn't be more against this "cover up" thing that the Muslims have going for women - it is an in-your-face symbol of female oppression and male aggression and domination. But telling people what they can and can't wear is so ridiculous. The only way to change this sexist cultural tradition is through education and the continued push for Islamic women's rights and freedoms, especially among Muslim men. That is a steep uphill battle (worth fighting). These kinds of bans only make those who support such archaic and sexist traditions dig their heels in even further.
What's the big deal? If you want to be a woman in the Islamic culture you have to cover up - simple.0 -
I think I noted what the big deal is. If you actually think what you said here you don't understand much.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It's no different than places in first world countries enforcing a dress code to get into their establishments.PJ_Soul said:This is stupid. I couldn't be more against this "cover up" thing that the Muslims have going for women - it is an in-your-face symbol of female oppression and male aggression and domination. But telling people what they can and can't wear is so ridiculous. The only way to change this sexist cultural tradition is through education and the continued push for Islamic women's rights and freedoms, especially among Muslim men. That is a steep uphill battle (worth fighting). These kinds of bans only make those who support such archaic and sexist traditions dig their heels in even further.
What's the big deal? If you want to be a woman in the Islamic culture you have to cover up - simple.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Good points!PJ_Soul said:This is stupid. I couldn't be more against this "cover up" thing that the Muslims have going for women - it is an in-your-face symbol of female oppression and male aggression and domination. But telling people what they can and can't wear is so ridiculous. The only way to change this sexist cultural tradition is through education and the continued push for Islamic women's rights and freedoms, especially among Muslim men. That is a steep uphill battle (worth fighting). These kinds of bans only make those who support such archaic and sexist traditions dig their heels in even further.
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Seriously? No, seriously??!!!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It's no different than places in first world countries enforcing a dress code to get into their establishments.PJ_Soul said:This is stupid. I couldn't be more against this "cover up" thing that the Muslims have going for women - it is an in-your-face symbol of female oppression and male aggression and domination. But telling people what they can and can't wear is so ridiculous. The only way to change this sexist cultural tradition is through education and the continued push for Islamic women's rights and freedoms, especially among Muslim men. That is a steep uphill battle (worth fighting). These kinds of bans only make those who support such archaic and sexist traditions dig their heels in even further.
What's the big deal? If you want to be a woman in the Islamic culture you have to cover up - simple.
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Right, I guess that makes Queen Noor of Jordan not a muslim. Not als=ways is she found with a scarf to cover her hair and she usually is seen wearing western style clothing.HughFreakingDillon said:
Seriously? No, seriously??!!!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It's no different than places in first world countries enforcing a dress code to get into their establishments.PJ_Soul said:This is stupid. I couldn't be more against this "cover up" thing that the Muslims have going for women - it is an in-your-face symbol of female oppression and male aggression and domination. But telling people what they can and can't wear is so ridiculous. The only way to change this sexist cultural tradition is through education and the continued push for Islamic women's rights and freedoms, especially among Muslim men. That is a steep uphill battle (worth fighting). These kinds of bans only make those who support such archaic and sexist traditions dig their heels in even further.
What's the big deal? If you want to be a woman in the Islamic culture you have to cover up - simple.
Theres also a movement in Iran where women are taking selfies outdoors dressing as they wish. Thats the kind of change that takes generations to implement._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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‘They have no place in our society’: Burkas could be banned in Germany after proposal from Merkel’s party
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/they-have-no-place-in-our-society-burkas-could-soon-be-banned-in-germany-after-proposal-from-merkels-partyI have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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SECURITY CONCERNS??? Are you all aware that BURKINIS were DESIGNED IN AUSTRALIA . It didn't originate in Europe or the Middle East, But in a secular country whose designer, a Lebanese woman, saw it as a way to be inclusive in Australias somewhat dominant beach culture. It was inspired by watching her niece play netball and being dismayed by seeing the young girl having to wear her netball uniform over her traditional Islamic attire... angered at her niece's predicament the designer was moved to design a garment that allowed Muslim women to play sports whilst preserving their personal modesty. In time it morphed into the burkini...so no they are not based on the enslavement of women.
Personally I have no issue with the wearing of the burkini.Post edited by catefrances onhear my name
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The name is so misleading too. Burkas cover the whole body including the face in a sack. "Burkinis" don't. But yes, they are still based on the oppression of women. The whole "modesty/cover up" thing is based on that.catefrances said:SECURITY CONCERNS??? Are you all aware that BURKINIS were DESIGNED IN AUSTRALIA . It didn't originate in Europe or the Middle East, But in a secular country whose designer, a Lebanese woman, saw it as a way to be inclusive in Australias somewhat dominant beach culture. It was inspired by watching her niece play netball and being dismayed by seeing the young girl having to wear her netball uniform over her traditional Islamic attire... angered at her niece's predicament the designer was moved to design a garment that allowed Muslim women to play sports whilst preserving their personal modesty. In time it morphed into the burkini...so no they are not based on the enslavement of women.
Personally I have no issue with the wearing of the burkini.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
misleading? its just a just a play on words that's all.PJ_Soul said:
The name is so misleading too. Burkas cover the whole body including the face in a sack. "Burkinis" don't. But yes, they are still based on the oppression of women. The whole "modesty/cover up" thing is based on that.catefrances said:SECURITY CONCERNS??? Are you all aware that BURKINIS were DESIGNED IN AUSTRALIA . It didn't originate in Europe or the Middle East, But in a secular country whose designer, a Lebanese woman, saw it as a way to be inclusive in Australias somewhat dominant beach culture. It was inspired by watching her niece play netball and being dismayed by seeing the young girl having to wear her netball uniform over her traditional Islamic attire... angered at her niece's predicament the designer was moved to design a garment that allowed Muslim women to play sports whilst preserving their personal modesty. In time it morphed into the burkini...so no they are not based on the enslavement of women.
Personally I have no issue with the wearing of the burkini.
some could see the bikini as a symbol of the skinny culture that some women find oppressive and discriminatory. some could look at the scene of a beach in summer and see a never ending meat market where women are objectified, categorised, dismissed as fat, hideous, pillorised for daring to buck the norm of skinny bikini body(12 weeks til summer! are you ready? how to get your bikini body!) and be confident in their own selves by wearing what they want. no matter what women wear in 'our' society they will be judged. the fact that muslim women are seen as the 'other' and that their expression is seen as the more overt makes no difference. it is said that muslim women are oppressed when they wear the burqa, or hijab, or niqab.. that may be so. however, some could say women in western culture are similarly oppressed, yet in a more normalised(albeit reverse way) due to the constant barrage of body shape and weight shaming that goes on.
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Yep, here are women who would not otherwise be able to reconcile their faith with a day at the beach. Now they can participate in what so many readily enjoy. AND be faithful.catefrances said:
misleading? its just a just a play on words that's all.PJ_Soul said:
The name is so misleading too. Burkas cover the whole body including the face in a sack. "Burkinis" don't. But yes, they are still based on the oppression of women. The whole "modesty/cover up" thing is based on that.catefrances said:SECURITY CONCERNS??? Are you all aware that BURKINIS were DESIGNED IN AUSTRALIA . It didn't originate in Europe or the Middle East, But in a secular country whose designer, a Lebanese woman, saw it as a way to be inclusive in Australias somewhat dominant beach culture. It was inspired by watching her niece play netball and being dismayed by seeing the young girl having to wear her netball uniform over her traditional Islamic attire... angered at her niece's predicament the designer was moved to design a garment that allowed Muslim women to play sports whilst preserving their personal modesty. In time it morphed into the burkini...so no they are not based on the enslavement of women.
Personally I have no issue with the wearing of the burkini.
some could see the bikini as a symbol of the skinny culture that some women find oppressive and discriminatory. some could look at the scene of a beach in summer and see a never ending meat market where women are objectified, categorised, dismissed as fat, hideous, pillorised for daring to buck the norm of skinny bikini body(12 weeks til summer! are you ready? how to get your bikini body!) and be confident in their own selves by wearing what they want. no matter what women wear in 'our' society they will be judged. the fact that muslim women are seen as the 'other' and that their expression is seen as the more overt makes no difference. it is said that muslim women are oppressed when they wear the burqa, or hijab, or niqab.. that may be so. however, some could say women in western culture are similarly oppressed, yet in a more normalised(albeit reverse way) due to the constant barrage of body shape and weight shaming that goes on._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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I had assumed the same as others, that the hijab etc were signs of oppression and degrading women. Then I asked my best friend, a Bosnian Muslim, her own views and those of her friends and acquaintances who actually wear them. It's all very well for us to stand in judgement and make assumptions based on our own culture and beliefs but it's quite arrogant of us to do so. In fact, in making such judgements, it may be us who are the oppressors.
Yes my friend spoke of the idea of modesty but she gave me a new perspective on it. To those women who choose to wear these garments of their own free will, they actually see it as a means of empowerment. It gives them control over who they allow to see their body, a gift that they can choose to bestow or deny.
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