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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    BS44325 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Bush created this mess. BS actually writes intelligent posts that are thought provoking, but he comes from another dimension sometimes- speaking of Bush as anything but an idiot that is the face of a calamity is coming from a dimension far far away.

    The part you and most everyone else fail to acknowledge is that the calamity was in process for decades before he ever came to office. Until you recognize this there can be no understanding of how to proceed from here.
    I'm not sure about that. There was certainly instability and yes... 9-11 occurred, but the US response (under Bush) was misguided at best and was definitively a triggering mechanism for the current madness.

    At this point... I'm really not too sure what needs to happen. It's a mess.
    The US response (under Bush) ripped the band-aid off the madness that was already there and growing.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    BS44325 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    BS44325 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Bush created this mess. BS actually writes intelligent posts that are thought provoking, but he comes from another dimension sometimes- speaking of Bush as anything but an idiot that is the face of a calamity is coming from a dimension far far away.

    The part you and most everyone else fail to acknowledge is that the calamity was in process for decades before he ever came to office. Until you recognize this there can be no understanding of how to proceed from here.
    I'm not sure about that. There was certainly instability and yes... 9-11 occurred, but the US response (under Bush) was misguided at best and was definitively a triggering mechanism for the current madness.

    At this point... I'm really not too sure what needs to happen. It's a mess.
    The US response (under Bush) ripped the band-aid off the madness that was already there and growing.
    And made everything infinitely worse, lol.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    BS44325 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Bush created this mess. BS actually writes intelligent posts that are thought provoking, but he comes from another dimension sometimes- speaking of Bush as anything but an idiot that is the face of a calamity is coming from a dimension far far away.

    The part you and most everyone else fail to acknowledge is that the calamity was in process for decades before he ever came to office. Until you recognize this there can be no understanding of how to proceed from here.
    I'm not sure about that. There was certainly instability and yes... 9-11 occurred, but the US response (under Bush) was misguided at best and was definitively a triggering mechanism for the current madness.

    At this point... I'm really not too sure what needs to happen. It's a mess.
    The US response (under Bush) ripped the band-aid off the madness that was already there and growing.
    And made everything infinitely worse, lol.
    Correct. Sometimes the treatment can be worse then the disease yet is the only road to a cure.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Why do some of you think it's the west job to fix the Middle East? Leave the Middle East alone, let's get the hell out completely including importing 1 single drop of their oil. We do not need the Middle East and they are/never been worth the headache...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    lukin2006 said:

    Why do some of you think it's the west job to fix the Middle East? Leave the Middle East alone, let's get the hell out completely including importing 1 single drop of their oil. We do not need the Middle East and they are/never been worth the headache...

    Isreal. For whatever reason, the United States feels that Isreal needs us to ensure their existence.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    lukin2006 said:

    Why do some of you think it's the west job to fix the Middle East? Leave the Middle East alone, let's get the hell out completely including importing 1 single drop of their oil. We do not need the Middle East and they are/never been worth the headache...

    Are you sure North America isn't dependent on the Middle East for oil?
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Degeneratefk said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Why do some of you think it's the west job to fix the Middle East? Leave the Middle East alone, let's get the hell out completely including importing 1 single drop of their oil. We do not need the Middle East and they are/never been worth the headache...

    Isreal. For whatever reason, the United States feels that Isreal needs us to ensure their existence.
    Yes, you have a point ... but it's the west meddling.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Why do some of you think it's the west job to fix the Middle East? Leave the Middle East alone, let's get the hell out completely including importing 1 single drop of their oil. We do not need the Middle East and they are/never been worth the headache...

    Are you sure North America isn't dependent on the Middle East for oil?
    Right now we are probably dependant due to our own stubbornness. Why is it ok to transport oil over the oceans, but where not ok with building the energy east pipeline...that from what I read could make energy independent from oil at least. And what I read could be wrong. But I find it hard to believe the west couldn't supply Canada with all the oil and natural gas we need.

    I'm also not interested in an environmental debate over pipelines vs tanker or train or even bicycles ... I get it oil is bad ... but being the Middle East bitch worse. Pick your poison, I'll gladly take oil from the west and smile about it.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    lukin2006 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Why do some of you think it's the west job to fix the Middle East? Leave the Middle East alone, let's get the hell out completely including importing 1 single drop of their oil. We do not need the Middle East and they are/never been worth the headache...

    Are you sure North America isn't dependent on the Middle East for oil?
    Right now we are probably dependant due to our own stubbornness. Why is it ok to transport oil over the oceans, but where not ok with building the energy east pipeline...that from what I read could make energy independent from oil at least. And what I read could be wrong. But I find it hard to believe the west couldn't supply Canada with all the oil and natural gas we need.

    I'm also not interested in an environmental debate over pipelines vs tanker or train or even bicycles ... I get it oil is bad ... but being the Middle East bitch worse. Pick your poison, I'll gladly take oil from the west and smile about it.
    Canada could probably be self sufficient with regards to oil and natural gas production and consumption... but we're not the key player at the moment: the US is. I'd have a hard time thinking Canada could sustain both itself and the US for any meaningful period of time.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Why do some of you think it's the west job to fix the Middle East? Leave the Middle East alone, let's get the hell out completely including importing 1 single drop of their oil. We do not need the Middle East and they are/never been worth the headache...

    Are you sure North America isn't dependent on the Middle East for oil?
    Right now we are probably dependant due to our own stubbornness. Why is it ok to transport oil over the oceans, but where not ok with building the energy east pipeline...that from what I read could make energy independent from oil at least. And what I read could be wrong. But I find it hard to believe the west couldn't supply Canada with all the oil and natural gas we need.

    I'm also not interested in an environmental debate over pipelines vs tanker or train or even bicycles ... I get it oil is bad ... but being the Middle East bitch worse. Pick your poison, I'll gladly take oil from the west and smile about it.
    Canada could probably be self sufficient with regards to oil and natural gas production and consumption... but we're not the key player at the moment: the US is. I'd have a hard time thinking Canada could sustain both itself and the US for any meaningful period of time.
    Worth giving it shot. Then we need to figure a way to use less oil and make ours last longer. But currently what being done or been done in the past is not working, so let's mind our own business and stay out is my preferred solution. I just don't think we can solve every countries problems, not even close. Maybe we could put together a manual on how to have somewhat of a successful country. Who knows really...the worlds a pretty fucked up placed being run by some pretty fucked up self serving jackasses.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Outside of the logistics of boycotting middle eastern countries... I'm in agreement with you.

    I would also add that simply leaving those countries now that we've created a shitstorm might not be the wisest thing. It might be... but there's an awful contingency that seems to fill the void when we do. The people left behind and at the mercy of- say IS- make me hesitate before suggesting to vacate. I don't know if it's as easy as it sounds?
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    The only way to rid the Middle East of Isis is boots on the ground ... but not Canadian boots. The Middle East will always be a shit storm or at least in my lifetime it has. I don't see that war in Syria ending anytime soon. And I do think Canada can be energy independent ... Trudeau and his radical liberal premier friends are standing in the way ... he'd rather do business with the Saudi's ... absolutely one of the worst countries in the world ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,968
    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Kat said:

    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    That's nice they have freedom to do that.
    Can they do that in the middle east?
    What would happen if they did?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Kat said:

    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    I think this is just beautiful.

    It's tough to say, but I have to be honest...

    I do hold hatred for some, and really try and hope to let most if not all of it be released and gone over time.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    hedonist said:

    Kat said:

    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    I think this is just beautiful.

    It's tough to say, but I have to be honest...

    I do hold hatred for some, and really try and hope to let most if not all of it be released and gone over time.
    Some people do a really good job of earning other people's hatred.

    I'm of the opinion it's not so much people's jobs to forgive hatred as much as it is people's jobs to not deserve hatred.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    hedonist said:

    Kat said:

    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    I think this is just beautiful.

    It's tough to say, but I have to be honest...

    I do hold hatred for some, and really try and hope to let most if not all of it be released and gone over time.
    I know it's tough not to go the hatred route but hatred is such a heavy emotion and the only person it hurts is you. it's way too negative an emotion to entertain. i feel "they" win if hate enters my soul. don't get me wrong, killers and those who oppress need to go. but I won't allow myself to hate them to my detriment. my overwhelming emotion is sadness that these people devalue their fellow humans so much that their actions become abhorrent.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    catefrances said:

    hedonist said:

    Kat said:

    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    I think this is just beautiful.

    It's tough to say, but I have to be honest...

    I do hold hatred for some, and really try and hope to let most if not all of it be released and gone over time.
    I know it's tough not to go the hatred route but hatred is such a heavy emotion and the only person it hurts is you. it's way too negative an emotion to entertain. i feel "they" win if hate enters my soul. don't get me wrong, killers and those who oppress need to go. but I won't allow myself to hate them to my detriment. my overwhelming emotion is sadness that these people devalue their fellow humans so much that their actions become abhorrent.
    Oh it's purely emotional for me. On a par with what I fantasize about doing to those who fuck with the weak or innocent.

    Visceral...and misguided? Perhaps. And not necessarily proud of it, but - this is how I feel.

    My selfishness will always put me and mine first, which, I guess, continues the circle.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    hedonist said:

    catefrances said:

    hedonist said:

    Kat said:

    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    I think this is just beautiful.

    It's tough to say, but I have to be honest...

    I do hold hatred for some, and really try and hope to let most if not all of it be released and gone over time.
    I know it's tough not to go the hatred route but hatred is such a heavy emotion and the only person it hurts is you. it's way too negative an emotion to entertain. i feel "they" win if hate enters my soul. don't get me wrong, killers and those who oppress need to go. but I won't allow myself to hate them to my detriment. my overwhelming emotion is sadness that these people devalue their fellow humans so much that their actions become abhorrent.
    Oh it's purely emotional for me. On a par with what I fantasize about doing to those who fuck with the weak or innocent.

    Visceral...and misguided? Perhaps. And not necessarily proud of it, but - this is how I feel.

    My selfishness will always put me and mine first, which, I guess, continues the circle.
    not misguided. I do see that to hate someone for their actions is as you said, visceral. and I don't think its something to feel shameful about. and I def don't see it in any way as being selfish.

    It's really tough to rise above the boiling cauldron of hatred we humans have thrown ourselves into and tbh I'm not even sure I can define hatred. is it to feel so negatively towards someone that we wish them harm, even death? I don't know. All I know is it feels like a hard rock in my soul and so I'm choosing to neutralise it. I don't believe people's actions happen in a vacuum and as a society, as the human race collectively, we seem to be hamstrung to address root causes and therefore find solutions.

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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Kat said:

    Muslims Attend Catholic Mass Across France In Powerful Show Of Unity
    One group of Muslims held a banner reading: “Love for all. Hate for none.”
    07/31/2016 02:57 pm E
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslims-catholic-mass-france_us_579e3c67e4b0e2e15eb63576?section=

    That's nice they have freedom to do that.
    Can they do that in the middle east?
    What would happen if they did?
    Heads would roll ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon

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