Republican Convention 2016/ Cleveland

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    InHiding80 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    InHiding80 said:

    This pretty much means you should vote for Hillary, or at least not Trump
    Or write in Bernie and vote Johnson or Stein.
    Maybe at least don't spoil a ballot by writing in Bernie. Waste of a vote.
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  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited July 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    InHiding80 said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    InHiding80 said:

    This pretty much means you should vote for Hillary, or at least not Trump
    Or write in Bernie and vote Johnson or Stein.
    Maybe at least don't spoil a ballot by writing in Bernie. Waste of a vote.
    Even if I weren't green now I still wouldn't vote for her. Any candidate who is pro Monsanto doesn't get my vote no matter what and after her and Schultz rigging it, she can go straight to hell.
  • Kev - Coat and Keys
    Kev - Coat and Keys Earth Posts: 357
    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,577
    My guess is that poop show of a convention got more no thank you's than it did yes's. Trump will probably drop a coulle points in the next week or two.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    I'm pretty freaking perplexed myself.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
    I'm assuming you're referring to the Munich shootings.

    Before. I spent time with them here in California earlier this week. I haven't been in touch with them since the Munich incident but I have zero doubt it gives them or their fellow countrymen/Europeans in general any reason to feel any less certain that like this country is off it's rocker for nominating Donald Trump as the Republican candidate for President of The United States. In fact, if I had to guess I'd say, I'd guess they probably feel more so that way.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
    I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    eddiec said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
    I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
    Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    What has Europe brought upon themselves?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664

    BS44325 said:

    eddiec said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
    I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
    Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
    Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?

    Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    brianlux said:




    BS44325 said:

    eddiec said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
    I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
    Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
    Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?

    Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
    The European Union is crumbling. Fact. Economy is in shamble and countries within need massive bailouts. Fact. There is a refugee crisis. Fact. Demographically it's citizens are not meeting population replacement rate necessary to sustain itself. Fact. Right wing parties that would make the American conservative movement look like pikers in comparison are on the rise. Fact. It's once potential new partner Turkey is in the midst of a massive crisis. Fact. Putin is testing it's boundaries in Ukraine and the Baltics. Fact. I have visited Europe many times. It is beautiful and cultured. However it has no capacity to deal with it's current problems. Scratch below the surface brianlux...it ain't as pretty as they would like you to believe.
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:




    BS44325 said:

    eddiec said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
    I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
    Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
    Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?

    Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
    The European Union is crumbling. Fact. Economy is in shamble and countries within need massive bailouts. Fact. There is a refugee crisis. Fact. Demographically it's citizens are not meeting population replacement rate necessary to sustain itself. Fact. Right wing parties that would make the American conservative movement look like pikers in comparison are on the rise. Fact. It's once potential new partner Turkey is in the midst of a massive crisis. Fact. Putin is testing it's boundaries in Ukraine and the Baltics. Fact. I have visited Europe many times. It is beautiful and cultured. However it has no capacity to deal with it's current problems. Scratch below the surface brianlux...it ain't as pretty as they would like you to believe.
    To answer your facts:

    1- The Union is not crumbling. Brexit was a blow but it is still strong.
    2- The necessary bailouts were given years ago. Ireland, one of the bailout countries, has seen house prices steadily increasing since 2012 while the economy continues to grow.
    3- Are you referring to birth rate of western european countries? Some countries have a very low birth rate but this won't affect them sustaining themselves monetarily, only culturally. Which isn't an issue as the world has been becoming more global for decades.
    4- There are some scary right wing parties in Europe. Northern Italy has some serious fascists and they do influence politics but they always have. I wouldn't say they are on the rise. Unless you're referring to general xenophobia which unfortunately is growing.
    5- It will be years, probably 10+ before Turkey meets the regulations to join the EU. With recent developments possibly longer.
    6- Russia and Ukraine is a problem but Putin isn't going to war with Europe over it.
    7- Nobody has the capacity to deal with a lunatic acquiring a handgun and shooting children in a McDonald's.
    8- The world is struggling to deal with these problems. It is not inherent to Europe.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:




    BS44325 said:

    eddiec said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Kev - Coat and Keys said:

    I know you can't be neutral around here, but now this show is over what would any independent, neutral voters make of it?
    From the UK it is just seems equal parts dumb and scary, but will this inspire new voters for the usual post-convention polling bounce?
    Is there any impartial media reporting left to indicate any clues?


    I mentioned this elsewhere but perhaps worth repeating here: I spent the day with a friend from Germany and 4 other members of his family (also from Germany) and they all agreed (without my even bringing up the subject) that the vast majority of Europeans think Americans are crazy (their word) for nominating Donald Trump. They are perplexed that this could happen.
    Was that before or after today's events?
    I'm in Europe. It doesn't change a thing. Trump supporters are perpetuating the stereotype that Americans (and clearly some Canadians) are uneducated, immature and insular.
    Haha....clearly some Canadians...Well played. That being said Europe has embraced that stereotype of Americans since 1776 and I do not imagine that it will ever change. I know that I did my "backpack" trip of europe during the Clinton administration and even then we were told to sew canadian flags on our packs so that god forbid we wouldn't be mistaken for being American. I wasn't mature enough back then to recognize what a slap in the face that was to the US but I certainly do now. What the people of Europe and globally should no longer be "perplexed" about is that the Trump voter has finally decided to tell you all to GFY. They don't care anymore. They look at the European project as one massively failed boondoggle and they are tired of backstopping it with their dollars and their soldiers. Now I personally don't like where that attitude is heading but Europe needs to know that they and the world have brought this upon themselves. You can't piss on Americans and their traditions for all eternity and then expect them to just shut up and maintain the status quo. It is not in their nature and if they come to the decision that your continent is no longer worth saving then they won't.
    Europe is "one massively failed boondoggle"? You're telling us "what Europe needs to know"? Europeans are pissing on Americans and their traditions for all eternity? Having one mentally distured man go off his rocker and kill a bunch of people is something "they and the world have brought this upon themselves"?

    Listen to yourself, man. You talk like the entire continent is one big massive blob of a creature. Maybe it's time to go back for another visit with the earnest intention of actually getting to know the place a little better.
    The European Union is crumbling. Fact. Economy is in shamble and countries within need massive bailouts. Fact. There is a refugee crisis. Fact. Demographically it's citizens are not meeting population replacement rate necessary to sustain itself. Fact. Right wing parties that would make the American conservative movement look like pikers in comparison are on the rise. Fact. It's once potential new partner Turkey is in the midst of a massive crisis. Fact. Putin is testing it's boundaries in Ukraine and the Baltics. Fact. I have visited Europe many times. It is beautiful and cultured. However it has no capacity to deal with it's current problems. Scratch below the surface brianlux...it ain't as pretty as they would like you to believe.
    I never said it was pretty. Well, Florence sure is. What a city!

    And we're not exactly dealing with our problems so well either. Surely you know that. Besides, the problems most parts of the world are facing are largely interconnected. None of us lives in a vacuum.

    Scratch below the surface? Sure, like I scratch my ass. :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I saw a hilarious/scary photo from the convention, it was two of the whitest people you can imagine holding signs that said "Latinos Para Trump" way up over their heads where the cameras could see them.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    rgambs said:

    I saw a hilarious/scary photo from the convention, it was two of the whitest people you can imagine holding signs that said "Latinos Para Trump" way up over their heads where the cameras could see them.

    So?
    image
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    rgambs said:

    I saw a hilarious/scary photo from the convention, it was two of the whitest people you can imagine holding signs that said "Latinos Para Trump" way up over their heads where the cameras could see them.

    So?
    image
    Are they trying to hide their pasty skin from cameras w/ those ten gallon hats?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,128
    So people were allowed to bring firearms to the rnc and no shootings?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    edited July 2016
    mcgruff10 said:

    So people were allowed to bring firearms to the rnc and no shootings?

    No, they were not allowed within a couple of blocks from the convention center. They also were not allowed in the convention center. At least that's what CNN reported.
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