Police abuse

dignin said:

Also, there is plenty of scientific evidence to show that cops (and anyone) are quicker to pull the trigger on black men than white.

This is no longer a debate as far as I'm concerned.

Correll, J. (2009). Racial bias in the decision to shoot? The Police Chief, 54-58.

This article reviews a Chicago study and two Denver studies that assessed how community participants compared to trained police officers in shoot/don’t shoot scenarios, where the race of the armed or unarmed target was manipulated. The researchers measured reaction time (time to make the decision to shoot or not) and errors. All three studies revealed that community participants consistently exhibited racial bias, so that a lower criterion to shoot was applied to Black targets compared to White targets. Like the community sample, the researchers found that police officers exhibited pronounced racial bias when reaction time was measured. However, importantly, officers showed no bias in terms of errors. That is, ultimately the officers made the right decision and were not impacted by race. The researchers attribute this finding for the officers to frequent, high quality, role play (e.g., Simunitions, computer scenarios) training in the use of force that can serve to extinguish the race-crime implicit bias for force decisions. [This article reviews Correll et al., 2007]

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., & Wittenbrink, B. (2002). The police officer’s dilemma: Using ethnicity to disambiguate potentially threatening individuals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 83(6), 1314-1329.

In this study, the researchers use a videogame to test the affect race has on shoot/don’t shoot decisions when there are African American and White targets holding guns or holding various non-threatening objects. Participants were told to “shoot” the armed targets and “not shoot” unarmed targets. In terms of response time, participants were quicker to shoot the armed African American than the armed White. Conversely the participants were quicker to “not shoot” the unarmed White. The most common errors were shooting the unarmed African American and not-shooting the armed White. All of these results are consistent with a Black-crime implicit bias and this bias was found in both African American and White participants.

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., Wittenbrink, B., & Sadler, M.S. (2007). Across the thin blue line: Police officers and racial bias in the decision to shoot. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 92(6), 1006-1023.

In this replicated study, Correll and colleagues compare police officers to community members on their speed and accuracy with simulated decisions to shoot/don’t shoot Black and White armed/unarmed targets. Both the police and community samples exhibited robust racial bias when the researchers analyzed speed of decision making. With regard to accuracy, the officers’ decisions were “less susceptible to racial bias (p.1022).” The authors link the superior officer result to high quality police use-of-force training.


http://www.fairimpartialpolicing.com/bias/

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

Also, there is plenty of scientific evidence to show that cops (and anyone) are quicker to pull the trigger on black men than white.

This is no longer a debate as far as I'm concerned.

Correll, J. (2009). Racial bias in the decision to shoot? The Police Chief, 54-58.

This article reviews a Chicago study and two Denver studies that assessed how community participants compared to trained police officers in shoot/don’t shoot scenarios, where the race of the armed or unarmed target was manipulated. The researchers measured reaction time (time to make the decision to shoot or not) and errors. All three studies revealed that community participants consistently exhibited racial bias, so that a lower criterion to shoot was applied to Black targets compared to White targets. Like the community sample, the researchers found that police officers exhibited pronounced racial bias when reaction time was measured. However, importantly, officers showed no bias in terms of errors. That is, ultimately the officers made the right decision and were not impacted by race. The researchers attribute this finding for the officers to frequent, high quality, role play (e.g., Simunitions, computer scenarios) training in the use of force that can serve to extinguish the race-crime implicit bias for force decisions. [This article reviews Correll et al., 2007]

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., & Wittenbrink, B. (2002). The police officer’s dilemma: Using ethnicity to disambiguate potentially threatening individuals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 83(6), 1314-1329.

In this study, the researchers use a videogame to test the affect race has on shoot/don’t shoot decisions when there are African American and White targets holding guns or holding various non-threatening objects. Participants were told to “shoot” the armed targets and “not shoot” unarmed targets. In terms of response time, participants were quicker to shoot the armed African American than the armed White. Conversely the participants were quicker to “not shoot” the unarmed White. The most common errors were shooting the unarmed African American and not-shooting the armed White. All of these results are consistent with a Black-crime implicit bias and this bias was found in both African American and White participants.

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., Wittenbrink, B., & Sadler, M.S. (2007). Across the thin blue line: Police officers and racial bias in the decision to shoot. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 92(6), 1006-1023.

In this replicated study, Correll and colleagues compare police officers to community members on their speed and accuracy with simulated decisions to shoot/don’t shoot Black and White armed/unarmed targets. Both the police and community samples exhibited robust racial bias when the researchers analyzed speed of decision making. With regard to accuracy, the officers’ decisions were “less susceptible to racial bias (p.1022).” The authors link the superior officer result to high quality police use-of-force training.


http://www.fairimpartialpolicing.com/bias/

What I find interesting in the article that you posted is this quote:
"All of these results are consistent with a Black-crime implicit bias and this bias was found in both African American and White participants."
I feel like that is monumental. Makes me wonder if both, black and white, cops experience a higher threat level when confronting black individuals resulting in them being quicker to draw and fire upon them. Is there a higher rate of resisting arrest among black individuals vs white that creates more anxiety when dealing with the different individuals from different demographics? Seems to be driven by experience...or do black people become racist against other black people when they join the force?

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

From what I know, many black communities are struggling. There are a number of reasons for this. In particular, young males are being raised without a positive male role model: in many cases, dads are incarcerated or absentee.

What's troubling about the incarcerated dads is the fact that most of those incarcerations stem from drug offences. This is an area where we could definitely do better. With all we know... it makes no sense... absolutely no sense... to not legalize drugs.

Nation wide legalization offers the opportunity to generate jobs in labs, fields, shipping, processing, retail, regulation et al. Further, the tax revenues earned off drug sales and the tax dollars saved from placing drug users and sellers in jail offer the country an opportunity to redirect those funds into quality social programs that might stand a chance at correcting the current course the US is riding.

And... dads don't get arrested for their interest in marijuana.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

From what I know, many black communities are struggling. There are a number of reasons for this. In particular, young males are being raised without a positive male role model: in many cases, dads are incarcerated or absentee.

What's troubling about the incarcerated dads is the fact that most of those incarcerations stem from drug offences. This is an area where we could definitely do better. With all we know... it makes no sense... absolutely no sense... to not legalize drugs.

Nation wide legalization offers the opportunity to generate jobs in labs, fields, shipping, processing, retail, regulation et al. Further, the tax revenues earned off drug sales and the tax dollars saved from placing drug users and sellers in jail offer the country an opportunity to redirect those funds into quality social programs that might stand a chance at correcting the current course the US is riding.

And... dads don't get arrested for their interest in marijuana.

Checked this out after seeing your other post. 100% agree. This would be a big step in the right direction. Incarceration for petty drug crimes has helped with breaking these communities and perpetuating violence.

Remember when I asked you the question: do you feel cops are inherently racist or do they become racist?

Part of my motivation for asking was with this reality in mind. When it becomes routine for cops to arrest black people active in the drug trade, I feel that cops begin to stereotype skin colour, hair styles, and clothing. In short, I feel they develop such racial attitudes.

I see biased attitudes develop in all aspects of society. For example, whenever we go see a doctor... I get the feeling they are looking at us as if we are there because we are overreacting to something small. Many have grown weary of the health care abusers and, by human nature, have become somewhat insensitive.

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

From what I know, many black communities are struggling. There are a number of reasons for this. In particular, young males are being raised without a positive male role model: in many cases, dads are incarcerated or absentee.

What's troubling about the incarcerated dads is the fact that most of those incarcerations stem from drug offences. This is an area where we could definitely do better. With all we know... it makes no sense... absolutely no sense... to not legalize drugs.

Nation wide legalization offers the opportunity to generate jobs in labs, fields, shipping, processing, retail, regulation et al. Further, the tax revenues earned off drug sales and the tax dollars saved from placing drug users and sellers in jail offer the country an opportunity to redirect those funds into quality social programs that might stand a chance at correcting the current course the US is riding.

And... dads don't get arrested for their interest in marijuana.

Checked this out after seeing your other post. 100% agree. This would be a big step in the right direction. Incarceration for petty drug crimes has helped with breaking these communities and perpetuating violence.

Remember when I asked you the question: do you feel cops are inherently racist or do they become racist?

Part of my motivation for asking was with this reality in mind. When it becomes routine for cops to arrest black people active in the drug trade, I feel that cops begin to stereotype skin colour, hair styles, and clothing. In short, I feel they develop such racial attitudes.

I see biased attitudes develop in all aspects of society. For example, whenever we go see a doctor... I get the feeling they are looking at us as if we are there because we are overreacting to something small. Many have grown weary of the health care abusers and, by human nature, have become somewhat insensitive.

Check this out.

I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

Also, there is plenty of scientific evidence to show that cops (and anyone) are quicker to pull the trigger on black men than white.

This is no longer a debate as far as I'm concerned.

Correll, J. (2009). Racial bias in the decision to shoot? The Police Chief, 54-58.

This article reviews a Chicago study and two Denver studies that assessed how community participants compared to trained police officers in shoot/don’t shoot scenarios, where the race of the armed or unarmed target was manipulated. The researchers measured reaction time (time to make the decision to shoot or not) and errors. All three studies revealed that community participants consistently exhibited racial bias, so that a lower criterion to shoot was applied to Black targets compared to White targets. Like the community sample, the researchers found that police officers exhibited pronounced racial bias when reaction time was measured. However, importantly, officers showed no bias in terms of errors. That is, ultimately the officers made the right decision and were not impacted by race. The researchers attribute this finding for the officers to frequent, high quality, role play (e.g., Simunitions, computer scenarios) training in the use of force that can serve to extinguish the race-crime implicit bias for force decisions. [This article reviews Correll et al., 2007]

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., & Wittenbrink, B. (2002). The police officer’s dilemma: Using ethnicity to disambiguate potentially threatening individuals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 83(6), 1314-1329.

In this study, the researchers use a videogame to test the affect race has on shoot/don’t shoot decisions when there are African American and White targets holding guns or holding various non-threatening objects. Participants were told to “shoot” the armed targets and “not shoot” unarmed targets. In terms of response time, participants were quicker to shoot the armed African American than the armed White. Conversely the participants were quicker to “not shoot” the unarmed White. The most common errors were shooting the unarmed African American and not-shooting the armed White. All of these results are consistent with a Black-crime implicit bias and this bias was found in both African American and White participants.

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., Wittenbrink, B., & Sadler, M.S. (2007). Across the thin blue line: Police officers and racial bias in the decision to shoot. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 92(6), 1006-1023.

In this replicated study, Correll and colleagues compare police officers to community members on their speed and accuracy with simulated decisions to shoot/don’t shoot Black and White armed/unarmed targets. Both the police and community samples exhibited robust racial bias when the researchers analyzed speed of decision making. With regard to accuracy, the officers’ decisions were “less susceptible to racial bias (p.1022).” The authors link the superior officer result to high quality police use-of-force training.


http://www.fairimpartialpolicing.com/bias/

I've seen lots of data about police shootings floating around these last weeks. It seems like nearly everyone is happy with the conclusion that Anerica, and police specifically must be racist, and jump to so many conclusions based on one side of the story. Or haven't seen anyone offer explanations (other than racism) for the data.
In Obama's speech he referenced some stats as well. One star that is always left out is the higher crime rate in many black communities. That explains why there's more blacks in jail, arrested, pulled over, etc. yes, there is a lopsided number of blacks being shot by police when they are only 13% of the population, but the number of blacks committing violent crimes and shooting police is just as lopsided. If a group commits more crimes, doesn't it make more sense that same group will have higher arrests too?
Of course most in the black communities are non violent. That's why I think groups like BLM should be more upset over the violent crimes ruining their neighborhoods than a cop trying to make it home alive.
There are other stats too, like single parents households or deadbeat fathers who abandon their families which is staggeringly higher in black communities. This leads to more poverty, school drop outs, kids join gangs and so on.
It does t surprise me there is a faster trigger reaction with blacks. I'm not saying it's right, but from this article it sounds like it was t just cops, but a larger sample. You will have to believe all of America is racists, or perhaps a simpler explanation is the higher crime rates in black neighborhoods has put the rest of America on edge. I don't have the link with me, but I saw an article that stated a cop is 5 times more likely to be attacked by a black male that white (when population is taken into consideration).
If you want to change that then start the change from within the community. Make it not acceptable to be a dead beat dad, high school drop out instead of what is expected of you.

mace1229 said:

g under p said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

Also, there is plenty of scientific evidence to show that cops (and anyone) are quicker to pull the trigger on black men than white.

This is no longer a debate as far as I'm concerned.

Correll, J. (2009). Racial bias in the decision to shoot? The Police Chief, 54-58.

This article reviews a Chicago study and two Denver studies that assessed how community participants compared to trained police officers in shoot/don’t shoot scenarios, where the race of the armed or unarmed target was manipulated. The researchers measured reaction time (time to make the decision to shoot or not) and errors. All three studies revealed that community participants consistently exhibited racial bias, so that a lower criterion to shoot was applied to Black targets compared to White targets. Like the community sample, the researchers found that police officers exhibited pronounced racial bias when reaction time was measured. However, importantly, officers showed no bias in terms of errors. That is, ultimately the officers made the right decision and were not impacted by race. The researchers attribute this finding for the officers to frequent, high quality, role play (e.g., Simunitions, computer scenarios) training in the use of force that can serve to extinguish the race-crime implicit bias for force decisions. [This article reviews Correll et al., 2007]

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., & Wittenbrink, B. (2002). The police officer’s dilemma: Using ethnicity to disambiguate potentially threatening individuals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 83(6), 1314-1329.

In this study, the researchers use a videogame to test the affect race has on shoot/don’t shoot decisions when there are African American and White targets holding guns or holding various non-threatening objects. Participants were told to “shoot” the armed targets and “not shoot” unarmed targets. In terms of response time, participants were quicker to shoot the armed African American than the armed White. Conversely the participants were quicker to “not shoot” the unarmed White. The most common errors were shooting the unarmed African American and not-shooting the armed White. All of these results are consistent with a Black-crime implicit bias and this bias was found in both African American and White participants.

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., Wittenbrink, B., & Sadler, M.S. (2007). Across the thin blue line: Police officers and racial bias in the decision to shoot. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 92(6), 1006-1023.

In this replicated study, Correll and colleagues compare police officers to community members on their speed and accuracy with simulated decisions to shoot/don’t shoot Black and White armed/unarmed targets. Both the police and community samples exhibited robust racial bias when the researchers analyzed speed of decision making. With regard to accuracy, the officers’ decisions were “less susceptible to racial bias (p.1022).” The authors link the superior officer result to high quality police use-of-force training.


http://www.fairimpartialpolicing.com/bias/

I've seen lots of data about police shootings floating around these last weeks. It seems like nearly everyone is happy with the conclusion that Anerica, and police specifically must be racist, and jump to so many conclusions based on one side of the story. Or haven't seen anyone offer explanations (other than racism) for the data.
In Obama's speech he referenced some stats as well. One star that is always left out is the higher crime rate in many black communities. That explains why there's more blacks in jail, arrested, pulled over, etc. yes, there is a lopsided number of blacks being shot by police when they are only 13% of the population, but the number of blacks committing violent crimes and shooting police is just as lopsided. If a group commits more crimes, doesn't it make more sense that same group will have higher arrests too?
Of course most in the black communities are non violent. That's why I think groups like BLM should be more upset over the violent crimes ruining their neighborhoods than a cop trying to make it home alive.
There are other stats too, like single parents households or deadbeat fathers who abandon their families which is staggeringly higher in black communities. This leads to more poverty, school drop outs, kids join gangs and so on.
It does t surprise me there is a faster trigger reaction with blacks. I'm not saying it's right, but from this article it sounds like it was t just cops, but a larger sample. You will have to believe all of America is racists, or perhaps a simpler explanation is the higher crime rates in black neighborhoods has put the rest of America on edge. I don't have the link with me, but I saw an article that stated a cop is 5 times more likely to be attacked by a black male that white (when population is taken into consideration).
If you want to change that then start the change from within the community. Make it not acceptable to be a dead beat dad, high school drop out instead of what is expected of you.

Please don't assume it's always a problem with deadbeat dads there's also deadbeat moms as well. I know I'm experiencing it to this date.

Peace

Didn't mean to imply I was assuming anything, just pointing out there's lots of other factors that can explain data other than there are 600000 racist cops