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HesCalledDyer · June 2016

seanwon said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't disagree with ya. My thing is he was doing this all throughout the playoffs. Why wait until the Cavs are down 3-1 with Game 5 at Oracle to suspend him?
Because it was game 4 that he slapped Lebron in the balls? They suspended him for the next game. What else were they supposed to do, suspend him for game 6 or 7?

Perhaps Lebron shouldn't step over him and fucking teabag him then.

The Juggler · June 2016

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship

Maybe Sam Bowie would've won one too with Curry or Klay on any of his teams.

Indifference71 · June 2016

Rose, Holliday and 2nd round pick to the Knicks for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon. Wow!

g under p · June 2016

Indifference71 said:
Rose, Holliday and 2nd round pick to the Knicks for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon. Wow!

Maybe the trade was made to get Rose away from Butler and to make splash.

Peace

Jason P · June 2016

TRADE: Pacers get Teague, Jazz get George Hill, Hawks get #12

Indifference71 · June 2016

g under p said:

Indifference71 said:
Rose, Holliday and 2nd round pick to the Knicks for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon. Wow!
Maybe the trade was made to get Rose away from Butler and to make splash.

Peace

Yep. Rose or Butler had to go. As a Bulls fan, I absolutely love the trade. So unlike the Bulls to do something huge like this.

Wobbie · June 2016

surprised my jazz picked up a guy with so many tattoos. tattoos offend some of the locals.

mrussel1 · June 2016

HesCalledDyer said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:
He should've been suspended in the Houston series. To wait until Game 5 of the Finals to suspend him without warrant, and then hide behind the skirt of "pattern of behavior" is a money grab. Why wasn't James suspended for stepping over him? At the very least, why wasn't James given a technical?
Maybe I can see a technical for James stepping over him. But come on, if someone steps over you like a dick, get up and push him (or punch him) like a man. Don't fucking slap him in the dick. Draymond totally deserved his suspension. Shots to the privates, spitting, biting, or eye-gouging is a lowest form of "dirty play" in sports.
I don't disagree with ya. My thing is he was doing this all throughout the playoffs. Why wait until the Cavs are down 3-1 with Game 5 at Oracle to suspend him?

I'm fairly certain Jane's was given a technical.

Degeneratefk · June 2016

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship

Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.

Degeneratefk · June 2016

Indifference71 said:
Rose, Holliday and 2nd round pick to the Knicks for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon. Wow!

Is that for real?

igotid88 · June 2016

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.

I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?

tempo_n_groove · June 2016

HesCalledDyer said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

igotid88 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

igotid88 said:
I think Shaq is overrated. Call me a homer. But I'll put Ewing over him.
Patrick Ewing was the absolute best at one thing - traveling EVERY time he got the ball and NEVER getting called for it. Now everyone takes 3 steps and switches their pivot foot and don't get called for it. Ewing changed the rules of the game; albeit for worse. I guess you could say he was a pioneer of sorts.
Jordan as well. He got away with a lot.
Lol. Ewing shouldn't have even been on the dream team. He was so bad.
What do you mean so bad? If Ewing got to play with Kobe and Wade during their primes. His numbers might be even better. Especially assists
Ewing was good but nowhere near the same league as Shaq or Olajuwon. Or even David Robinson for that matter.
Man Ewing carried that team forever. His second best player on his team was John Starks. Need I say more?
Mark Jackson, Anthony Mason, Allan Houston, Larry Johnson.
Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:
He should've been suspended in the Houston series. To wait until Game 5 of the Finals to suspend him without warrant, and then hide behind the skirt of "pattern of behavior" is a money grab. Why wasn't James suspended for stepping over him? At the very least, why wasn't James given a technical?
Maybe I can see a technical for James stepping over him. But come on, if someone steps over you like a dick, get up and push him (or punch him) like a man. Don't fucking slap him in the dick. Draymond totally deserved his suspension. Shots to the privates, spitting, biting, or eye-gouging is a lowest form of "dirty play" in sports.
I don't disagree with ya. My thing is he was doing this all throughout the playoffs. Why wait until the Cavs are down 3-1 with Game 5 at Oracle to suspend him?
It was a culmination of his four flagrant fouls. You get one point for a flagrant 1 and two points for a flagrant 2. Four points mean a one-game suspension. So it wasn't a situation of the NBA saying "Let's get him NOW because the series is 3-1." Here's an explanation from NBA.com:

"Under league rules, any player who accumulates four flagrant foul points over the course of the playoffs will be automatically suspended for one game, and every additional flagrant foul will result in either a one-game suspension (for a Flagrant Foul 1) or a two-game suspension (for a Flagrant Foul 2).

"The cumulative points system is designed to deter flagrant fouls in our game" said Kiki VanDeWeghe, Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations. "While Draymond Green's actions in Game 4 do not merit a suspension as a standalone act, the number of flagrant points he has earned triggers a suspension for Game 5.""

The entire article: http://www.nba.com/2016/news/06/12/golden-state-warriors-draymond-green-nba-finals-game-5-suspension/

Lebron was actually assessed a technical after the game. Seems meaningless but it's actually the fourth time in the past two playoffs that that's happened. I guess because technical can add up to a suspension as well.
And it's still a judgment call over what a flagrant foul is. Again, why wait until AFTER the game to assess the flagrant (a very poor judgment in my opinion) and suspend him?

Since we're speaking of track records and culminations, the NBA seems to annually be under fire for fixing games. It has already been proven before that league officials have made intentional calls to affect the outcome of games. If not for this, I wouldn't be so skeptical.

Look, I'm not saying Lebron & the Cavs wouldn't have done it anyway. And Golden State had plenty of opportunities to put game 7 away and they didn't. But the game 5 decision reeks of foul play.

Anyone in the HOF? Nope...

Degeneratefk · June 2016

igotid88 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?

You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2016

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.

To the Knicks' credit, they definitely maximized their talent and overachieved. The starters on the '93 team were Ewing, Starks, Mason, Oakley, and Charles Smith. For that team to finish with 60 wins is pretty impressive. Very underrated coaching job by Pat Riley. Maybe even more impressive than what he did with the Lakers and Heat just because he lacked talent.

igotid88 · June 2016

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.

I don't know how anyone can say Ewing was overrated. Were there players better. Sure. But not overrated. And Starks I believe went 0-fer that game. If he had at least 1 title. I don't think overrated would have been used. He finally got a good coach in Riley then Van Gundy. But he never really had that 1a player. As they say his Robin. Or his Batman to his Robin.

DewieCox · June 2016

I hated Ewing as much as anybody but no way was he overrated. There's never been a more accurately rated player. He's consistently put on the list behind Shaq , Robinson and Olajuwon for his era. That's right where he belongs. Take Jordan from the Bulls and he definitely has a ring or two. Also, I know he was primarily a post player, but he had to be a big influence on guys like KG and Duncan moving a bit more out of the lane.

Same probably goes for Robinson, who I think is overlooked often. The post RobinsonSpurs are great and get deserved kudos, but some of those 90s teams with him as the centerpiece/leader were as good as it gets. I remember them giving the Bulls all kinds of trouble in their matchups.

The Juggler · June 2016

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.
To the Knicks' credit, they definitely maximized their talent and overachieved. The starters on the '93 team were Ewing, Starks, Mason, Oakley, and Charles Smith. For that team to finish with 60 wins is pretty impressive. Very underrated coaching job by Pat Riley. Maybe even more impressive than what he did with the Lakers and Heat just because he lacked talent.

Mason came off the Bench. Greg Anthony and Doc Rivers started a lot in their back court.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2016

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:

Degeneratefk said:

igotid88 said:
All I can say is if Curry or Klay was attempting those 3 pt shots Starks was. Ewing would have a championship
Not a chance. He wasn't beating Chicago, ever. Hell, they couldn't even beat Houston when jordan retired for the first time. Over rated.
I was talking about the 94 Finals where Starks kept missing his 3 pt shots. And who's to say if he didn't have his own Kobe that he couldn't get past Jordan and win a title?
You're blaming starks for that? Olajuwon outperformed Ewing by outscoring him in every game of the series. Hakeem scored almost 30/game. Ewing was around 20. Ewing did set a Finals record for blocks. Starks also led the Knicks in scoring and assists in 2 of the 7 games. Obviously starks was no kobe, but the guy could play. I just just think Ewing was over rated overall in his career. Thise Knicks teams were very good. They were the only team during the Bulls first 3 run that had any chance of beathing them in the east.
To the Knicks' credit, they definitely maximized their talent and overachieved. The starters on the '93 team were Ewing, Starks, Mason, Oakley, and Charles Smith. For that team to finish with 60 wins is pretty impressive. Very underrated coaching job by Pat Riley. Maybe even more impressive than what he did with the Lakers and Heat just because he lacked talent.
Mason came off the Bench. Greg Anthony and Doc Rivers started a lot in their back court.

Oh yeah that's right. He didn't start. Still though, a quick glance at Basketball-Reference shows that Mason was second to Ewing in minutes played during that '93 season. So it felt like he was a starter.

Jason P · June 2016

Pacers trade 20th pick to the Nets for Thaddeus Young. Probably a good move to reduce Larry Bird's urge to draft another Plumlee ...

Jason P · June 2016

Are the Pistons going to move out of their garbage dump arena (really, it's built around a landfill) when the Red Wings stadium opens up?

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