Should the US institute a ban on assault weapons.

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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    dignin said:

    dudeman said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Suicide is not gun violence.

    According to the statistics, over 30,000 people die from bullet wounds in the US annually. Over 20,000 of them are suicides.

    The remainder accounts for murders, accidents, self-defense shootings and officer involved shootings.

    I can't be the only one that is floored by the fact that over 20,000 Americans choose to take their own lives each year. Worse yet is that the discussion is about "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines. WTF?
    This is a discussion about assault weapons. If you would like to talk about suicides by gun you are more than welcome to start your own thread about that. Although I don't think that's your actual motive (but hey, maybe I'm wrong).Thanks in advance.
    I don't have a motive other than to say that no positive, meaningful change will come from banning "assault weapons" in this country.

    Respectfully, I'll leave this thread alone.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Stick to your guns man don't walk away.
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Yes
    EM194007 said:

    Degeneratefk said:



    I'm not sure why gun advocates insist on not counting suicides as violent crime. Maybe if the person that obviously has mental health issues isn't granted such easy access to guns, maybe suicide deaths by guns decrease.

    Assault rifles are not the root cause of the gunew problem, but banning them is a good start.

    And how do we do that with the current HIPAA Law? Obamacare put the HIPAA Law on steroids. If you have been in a mental facility, then you could stop some from getting them. But many people out there that have mental issues, are covered under the HIPAA Law that can't be stopped from buying a weapon, because no information can be shared.
    I understand hippa laws. I don't have the answer to that. But mental health should be somehow considered when somebody is trying to buy a gun.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,369
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    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    No
    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Yes
    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    How about 6?

    If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,409
    edited June 2016
    Yes
    Ugh...

    US car dealer offers free AR-15 assault rifle with every car.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/17/new-hampshire-car-dealer-free-ar15-assault-rifle
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
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    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Yes
    53 to 8 (change to no change) with 46 wanting an all out ban. 87% seeking reform.

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    No
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    How about 6?

    If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
    no six is just plain dumb. lots and lots of guns would be banned. (including my garand which one day you'll me shooting). i'm liking 15 for some reason. (maybe because that's the law i'm used to here in new jersey)
    pjpower, I guess we could grandfather all those 30 round mags? I was just trying to find some middle ground between ban and the status quo. here in nj our asshat legislators have all these new types of gun control bills ready for next week. first up is 15 to 10 round mags. I hate this state.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Yes
    mcgruff10 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    How about 6?

    If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
    no six is just plain dumb. lots and lots of guns would be banned. (including my garand which one day you'll me shooting). i'm liking 15 for some reason. (maybe because that's the law i'm used to here in new jersey)
    pjpower, I guess we could grandfather all those 30 round mags? I was just trying to find some middle ground between ban and the status quo. here in nj our asshat legislators have all these new types of gun control bills ready for next week. first up is 15 to 10 round mags. I hate this state.
    Lol.

    Well call me plain dumb then.

    I know it inconveniences you at the range, but think of the inconvenience the next mass shooter might experience.

    Outside of inconvenience... what is the reason why six is just plain dumb?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    The M1 Garand doesn't use a detachable magazine, it uses stripper clips right? SO if you only alloy 6 round mags, it wouldn't affect the Garand.
    The logic being you can reload a detachable mag much faster than a fixed mag, so there is not as big of a need to limit a fixed mag to something like only 6 rounds.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    I'm a liberal and I say no. Anything beyond a simple background check should never be allowed. Mental health, not guns, are the problem.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    No
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    How about 6?

    If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
    no six is just plain dumb. lots and lots of guns would be banned. (including my garand which one day you'll me shooting). i'm liking 15 for some reason. (maybe because that's the law i'm used to here in new jersey)
    pjpower, I guess we could grandfather all those 30 round mags? I was just trying to find some middle ground between ban and the status quo. here in nj our asshat legislators have all these new types of gun control bills ready for next week. first up is 15 to 10 round mags. I hate this state.
    Lol.

    Well call me plain dumb then.

    I know it inconveniences you at the range, but think of the inconvenience the next mass shooter might experience.

    Outside of inconvenience... what is the reason why six is just plain dumb?
    dumb ass. ;)
    I actually think the federal courts said ten is the lowest you can go. don't quote me on that but it has to do with a ruling in regard to the "safe act" of new york state.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    No
    mace1229 said:

    The M1 Garand doesn't use a detachable magazine, it uses stripper clips right? SO if you only alloy 6 round mags, it wouldn't affect the Garand.
    The logic being you can reload a detachable mag much faster than a fixed mag, so there is not as big of a need to limit a fixed mag to something like only 6 rounds.


    enbloc clip...an sks would be a stripper clip. but I understand what you are saying.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Yes
    PJPOWER said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
    I think you can make them go away. Once they're banned, anyone that owns one should have to turn it in.
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    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Yes
    InHiding80 said:

    I'm a liberal and I say no. Anything beyond a simple background check should never be allowed. Mental health, not guns, are the problem.

    Yeah, and what you're saying is that those with mental health problems that lead to violence (let's remember that most mentally ill people are not violent) should continue to be able to buy guns, since a simple background check isn't going to stop them from doing so.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Yes
    mcgruff10 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    How about 6?

    If you can't shoot your wild pig with 6.. then you shouldn't be shooting anything.
    no six is just plain dumb. lots and lots of guns would be banned. (including my garand which one day you'll me shooting). i'm liking 15 for some reason. (maybe because that's the law i'm used to here in new jersey)
    pjpower, I guess we could grandfather all those 30 round mags? I was just trying to find some middle ground between ban and the status quo. here in nj our asshat legislators have all these new types of gun control bills ready for next week. first up is 15 to 10 round mags. I hate this state.
    Lol.

    Well call me plain dumb then.

    I know it inconveniences you at the range, but think of the inconvenience the next mass shooter might experience.

    Outside of inconvenience... what is the reason why six is just plain dumb?
    dumb ass. ;)
    I actually think the federal courts said ten is the lowest you can go. don't quote me on that but it has to do with a ruling in regard to the "safe act" of new york state.
    I guess 10 people murdered in under a minute is better than dozens.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016
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    Degeneratefk said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
    I think you can make them go away. Once they're banned, anyone that owns one should have to turn it in.
    Zero way of that actually happening. How are you going to make people turn them in? How are you ever going to know who has them without door to door raids resulting in chaos? Do you favor door to door raids? If so, then let me know now so that I can disregard any of your future opinions.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,369
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    PJPOWER said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I want the study allowed and funded that shows how weapons get to the black market. then based on those findings , enact the legislation that targets that.

    waiting period , perhaps, on models based on military weaponery. and/or legislation restricting some of the mods available and magazine capacities.

    I think magazine capacity is key. No need for a damn 30 round mag, 15 is plenty.
    So what are we going to do afterwards? I think we can both agree that a ban will not make them go away, right? How would you propose ensuring that they are no longer in the hands of people? I'm pretty sure that at this point there are enough of them floating around out there to last for centuries. So someone gets into their grandfather's closet and goes on a mass killing spree...what do we ban now? I sure hope that the anti-gun crowd does not support door to door confiscation, because that would definitely not end well. What other programs do we put in place that would make a real difference once they get "banned".
    Please note ,my response about this had nothing on banning any specific or type of weapon per se, but rather targeted the black market. I am not foolish enough to believe we will prevent all or even most of these horrific tragedies. But would be satisfied to severley reduce the number of guns on the streets. Because after all , isnt that where most of the gun violence resides? In the poorer neighborhoods. I want to eliminate the nonreporting of second sales or resales in my state. My belief if all sales had to be reported and logged as to trace a weapon later used in.a crime back to a seller we can greatly reduce the black market availablility.
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