Bernie Sanders for President

pretty sure the prospects of a trump presidency will make nearly all bernie supporters vote hilary in swing states ...

I for one am NOT voting for Hillary UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. No way can I for for someone I detest. What, to help defeat Trump? Nope, not even for that.

If Hillary is the best the Dems can come up with, then maybe we deserve Trump. If it comes to that, I'll focus on helping get the best congresspeople elected and keep voting for or against measures and propositions that come up.

But I haven't thrown in the towel with Bernie. Until he's out of it or wins it, I'm supporting Bernie.

Jason P said:

Yeah.^^^ And where did this happen?

People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.

So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

Yeah.^^^ And where did this happen?

People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.

So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.

It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed?
By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?

Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds.
If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.

Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.

I'm not so sure. It's an interesting "anti establishment" time in politics and people in both political spectrums seem to be more interested in changing/protesting the status quo than supporting it. On top of what I said earlier, I also believe that many of the people supporting Bernie are only going to go vote of their man is there. I hate to lump them together, but both Bernie and Trump supporters stand pretty firmly in their beliefs and are not going to be willing to vote for party candidates that are perceived as election cheaters against their candidate of choice. I cannot perceive those pissed off people protesting and rallying against Clinton turning around and voting for her, even if Sanders concedes. You have the crowd that would "rather vote for Bernie over Clinton" and the crowd that are adamantly "Bernie or no one". Again, just a personal observation, but most I have talked to seem to be in the latter.

I'd be worried about who Bernie would 'install' in the Supreme Court. Might be an overlooked area of concern, but a balanced Supreme Court isn't a terrible thing.

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

PJ_Soul said:

Jason P said:

Yeah.^^^ And where did this happen?

People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.

So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.

It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.

Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.

Throughout our history, there have been clashes between protesters and opposing parties. This is nothing new. The First Amendment violation happens when the government violates these rights. The most infamous example of course is Selma.

Yeah, I know that. But that is completely besides the point. The point is that the protesters are being BLAMED for attacks against them, and the inference is that they shouldn't be protesting and that the violence is THEIR fault just because they are trying to peacefully protest. This appears to be a very common viewpoint that I find incredibly disturbing.