NYC Fast Food Chains to raise the minimum wage to $15!

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  • Posts: 16,881
    tempo_n_groove said:

    I know 3 that make right at 100k. They are related to me.
    Long Island teachers do very well.

    I know none outside of principals.

    And they should do very well... don't you think? Should they just do 'okay'?
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  • Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

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    I don't know one teacher that makes $100,000 a year (I'm not sure where you got that from?).

    Why did you just include professionals and their wages?

    Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).

    I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.
    Hi Thirty - this was so long ago I'm trying to reconstruct it in my mind. I only talked about "professionals" because I was responding to mcgruff's post about those professions - "concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first". I wasn't intending to put any "profession" above another.

    The info about teacher's salaries had recently been reported upon in the news so I drew the figures from that. However, I do also have a teacher in the family and those figures don't seem out of line.
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  • Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:

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    Hi Thirty - this was so long ago I'm trying to reconstruct it in my mind. I only talked about "professionals" because I was responding to mcgruff's post about those professions - "concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first". I wasn't intending to put any "profession" above another.

    The info about teacher's salaries had recently been reported upon in the news so I drew the figures from that. However, I do also have a teacher in the family and those figures don't seem out of line.
    Not quite.

    In British Columbia, the absolute 'highest' wage a teacher, with 10+ years experience and a master's degree earns is $83,000. That's the very highest and not the average or norm.

    http://www.bcpsea.bc.ca/bc-teachers/collective-agreements/teacher-salary-grids.aspx

    A far, far cry from $100,000. See how inherent attitudes lead to exaggerations that reinforce those very beliefs and, ultimately, perpetuate them to others?

    Now start with the 'well even still... they hardly do anything for what they do make' stuff and you will have had a comprehensive attack on teachers that's far from original and so exceptionally obtuse.

    * I'm not deliberately trying to attack you, but I get really tired of hearing this stuff. Teacher bashing is old. It grew old about a decade ago. And don't get me wrong... the teacher's union has played a part in the discontent the public has towards teachers (mostly by circling the wagons around poor performers); however, a good or great teacher is invaluable- stop marginalizing them.
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  • Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

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    Not quite.

    In British Columbia, the absolute 'highest' wage a teacher, with 10+ years experience and a master's degree earns is $83,000. That's the very highest and not the average or norm.

    http://www.bcpsea.bc.ca/bc-teachers/collective-agreements/teacher-salary-grids.aspx

    A far, far cry from $100,000. See how inherent attitudes lead to exaggerations that reinforce those very beliefs and, ultimately, perpetuate them to others?

    Now start with the 'well even still... they hardly do anything for what they do make' stuff and you will have had a comprehensive attack on teachers that's far from original and so exceptionally obtuse.

    * I'm not deliberately trying to attack you, but I get really tired of hearing this stuff. Teacher bashing is old. It grew old about a decade ago. And don't get me wrong... the teacher's union has played a part in the discontent the public has towards teachers (mostly by circling the wagons around poor performers); however, a good or great teacher is invaluable- stop marginalizing them.
    Thirty, I have no idea where you're going with this, based on my two posts. I wasn't teacher bashing, or First Responder bashing. I was surprised at the low salaries reported by those in the US and contrasting them with salaries for similar jobs here. That's all. I didn't make any value judgment on those salaries for those jobs.

    But because you've contested the figures, I'll include a couple of links here to teacher salaries across the country, one with much more detail than the other. BC teachers are certainly not in the highest ranking but I don't believe I specified BC.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1346218/wage-comparison-how-b-c-teachers-salaries-rank-across-canada/

    http://www.bctf.ca/uploadedfiles/public/bargainingcontracts/teachersalaryrankings2013-14brief.pdf
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  • Posts: 16,881
    ^^^

    You were a little outspoken in the last battle between BC teachers and the government of if I remember correctly.

    I was just trying to illustrate the current reality. If one can point to the highest salaries to suggest how lucrative a job is... then one can point to the lowest salaries to do the opposite?

    We can refer to Norway and... oh... say Guatemala as well for reference points of we were inclined. BC is our context.
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  • Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Okay, fine Thirty. Post a whole paragraph of what you think I'm thinking and then refute it if you wish. I'm actually happy that the professions I posted about are paid better in Canada than they apparently are in parts of the US.

    And FYI, it's mostly the teacher's union, particularly their leadership, that I'm not in favour of. I don't think it has done any favours for their membership, the students, or the public at large.
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  • Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:

    Okay, fine Thirty. Post a whole paragraph of what you think I'm thinking and then refute it if you wish. I'm actually happy that the professions I posted about are paid better in Canada than they apparently are in parts of the US.

    And FYI, it's mostly the teacher's union, particularly their leadership, that I'm not in favour of. I don't think it has done any favours for their membership, the students, or the public at large.

    I'm pretty sure I supported it vs refuted it. Did you get the impression my stance changed? You shouldn't have.

    You made some casual, unsubstantiated generalizations. I countered with what should probably have been expressed in the interest of clarity.

    It makes no difference- and... for the most part, I'd agree with your last statement.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Posts: 9,478
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

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    Not quite.

    In British Columbia, the absolute 'highest' wage a teacher, with 10+ years experience and a master's degree earns is $83,000. That's the very highest and not the average or norm.

    http://www.bcpsea.bc.ca/bc-teachers/collective-agreements/teacher-salary-grids.aspx

    A far, far cry from $100,000. See how inherent attitudes lead to exaggerations that reinforce those very beliefs and, ultimately, perpetuate them to others?

    Now start with the 'well even still... they hardly do anything for what they do make' stuff and you will have had a comprehensive attack on teachers that's far from original and so exceptionally obtuse.

    * I'm not deliberately trying to attack you, but I get really tired of hearing this stuff. Teacher bashing is old. It grew old about a decade ago. And don't get me wrong... the teacher's union has played a part in the discontent the public has towards teachers (mostly by circling the wagons around poor performers); however, a good or great teacher is invaluable- stop marginalizing them.
    Here in Alberta after about 10 years on the job and 6 years university you can make around $100,000.

    And lets not forget their premium benefits, that should account over and above their salary.

    Source http://www.teachers.ab.ca/For Members/Salary Benefits and Pension/CollectiveAgreements/Pages/Calgary-School-District-No-19-(2012-2016).aspx
  • Posts: 16,881
    ^^^

    Alberta is an outlier with regards to teaching salary and benefits. The teachers there also have additional prep time. From what I have come to understand... their contract was linked to the economy. When Alberta was rocking it... so were the teachers.

    It will be interesting to see how their contract evolves given Alberta is in the tank somewhat right now.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,650
    edited April 2016
    :anguished:
    Don't get me wrong - that's great for New York! It's just that Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in North America (according to The Economist), and the BC minimum wage just became the LOWEST in Canada at $10.45/hour (that's CAD of course) ... An increase is coming soon... to $10.65 I believe. It's just so fucking frustrating!!!!!!!!!! Graaaahhh!!!!!!

    But yeah, congrats NY. :)
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Posts: 2,759
    PJ_Soul said:

    :anguished:
    Don't get me wrong - that's great for New York! It's just that Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in North America (according to The Economist), and the BC minimum wage just became the LOWEST in Canada at $10.45/hour (that's CAD of course) ... An increase is coming soon... to $10.65 I believe. It's just so fucking frustrating!!!!!!!!!! Graaaahhh!!!!!!

    But yeah, congrats NY. :)

    That just isn't a true fact about Vancouver.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/03/daily-chart-4

    SHOW COUNT: (170) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=114, US=124, CAN=15, Europe=20 ,New Zealand=4, Australia=5
    Mexico=1, Colombia=1 



  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,650
    edited April 2016
    Indifference said:

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    That just isn't a true fact about Vancouver.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/03/daily-chart-4
    I guess it depends where you look (and the opposing ranking from The Economist is strange to say the least). Obviously the Chinese are driving the real estate insanity, and it's pissing people off:

    http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/in-vancouver-north-americas-most-expensive-city-rich-chinese-take-the-blame-for-skyrocketing-home-prices

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/in-north-america-s-costliest-city-rich-chinese-face-backlash

    http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/the-10-most-expensive-cities-to-live-in-north-america-333406/10/ (to save you time, #1 is Vancouver)

    Anyway, with hightest cost of living and the lowest minimum wage, it makes me feel like BC's government is purposefully trying to fuck us.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • NYC Posts: 7,859
    Hey how do you get those trades person jobs? I mean you have to get some kind of training if it's not college right?
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  • Posts: 24,524
    ldent42 said:

    Hey how do you get those trades person jobs? I mean you have to get some kind of training if it's not college right?

    OTJ and vocational schools?

    That's a great way to get there...and can be done before graduating.
  • NYC Posts: 7,859
    Oh. I don't think they have those anymore. Thanks though Hedo
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  • Posts: 24,524
    ldent42 said:

    Oh. I don't think they have those anymore. Thanks though Hedo

    Not sure what you mean, Ident, if you care to elaborate? Far as I know, both options are available and viable.
  • NYC Posts: 7,859
    Vocational schools? I think I have it mixed up in my head, I'll google it.
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,650
    edited April 2016
    ldent42 said:

    Oh. I don't think they have those anymore. Thanks though Hedo

    Technical institutions. They're all over the place. The go-to one where I am is BC Institute of Technology. Not that this is specifically relevant to you because of location, but here is an example of what a really good school offers in the trades: http://www.bcit.ca/path/trades/
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  • NYC Posts: 7,859
    PJ_Soul said:

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    Technical institutions. They're all over the place. The go-to one where I am is BC Institute of Technology. Not that this is specifically relevant to you because of location, but here is an example of what a really good school offers in the trades: http://www.bcit.ca/path/trades/
    Yea I thought vocational school was what they used to call the old 600 schools (for kids with emotional/behavioral problems)

    I might look into it. Thanks.
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