the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.
Godfather.
Sorry but I think you've heard wrong, GF. Like any field, some people want to move away hoping for greener pastures. Some physicians move to the US, thinking they'll make more money. Many move back to Canada, having found that, with the mess of your health care "system", they spend the majority of their time chasing payments and filling in endless forms. They get frustrated not being able to practice medicine the way they want, since so many treatments/procedures are denied. Add that to much higher malpractice insurance premiums and higher overhead costs and it's not so attractive. For many years, the net flow of physicians has been into Canada from the US, not the other way around.
Physicians also get frustrated in Canada by things like surgical wait times. There's no perfect system.
I don't know what you mean by "not so social pay wages", so won't comment on that at present.
Thanks for your reply, it's been quite a while since I've been to Canada and talked to some friends there and back then that was the story they gave me, thanks for clearing that up, now I know.
I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.
ALL of those mentioned I have argued about before with people. Add up their benefit packages and it's WELL over $15 an hour.
Better yet in five years who will be better off, the fast food employee or the above mentioned?
What I see with this new law is a lot of people getting off assisted living and welfare(EBT). That alone could start saving states millions.
I am not speaking for everyone on wellfare - but in my opinion if you don't take the wellfare away why would they go find a job? They get free health insurance free food free transportation and they don't have to pay taxes. Wtf would they drop that to go work?
For some I understand they are in between jobs. I'm not talking about everyone.
I have met people that say they deserve those benefits?? Really? Really? The tax payers make sure they have everything they need and you're going to walk around saying that?? They should be mandated to show they are trying to better themselves just like those that have to prove their looking for work to receive their unemployment - which they F'n worked for. Wtf.
Ok sorry getting carried away I better stop.
Very true. If they aren't working and feeding off the system there isn't any incentive to better yourself.
I was speaking for the people who are working but need assistance. This is a huge plus for them.
In New York City, the wage would increase to $15 by the end of 2018, though businesses with fewer than 10 employees would get an extra year. In the suburbs of Long Island and Westchester County, the wage would rise to $15 by the end of 2022. The increases are even more drawn out upstate, where the wage would hit $12.50 in 2021, then increase to $15 based on an undetermined schedule.
In New York City, the wage would increase to $15 by the end of 2018, though businesses with fewer than 10 employees would get an extra year. In the suburbs of Long Island and Westchester County, the wage would rise to $15 by the end of 2022. The increases are even more drawn out upstate, where the wage would hit $12.50 in 2021, then increase to $15 based on an undetermined schedule.
Government efficiency ...
Yeah, that upstate increase makes a whole lot of sense...not! 2021...
I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.
I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.
I don't know one teacher that makes $100,000 a year (I'm not sure where you got that from?).
Why did you just include professionals and their wages?
Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).
I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.
It amazes me how an employer like mcdonalds can pay $15/h but an emt/paramedic earns $8-16/h and we all know the obvious differences in skill, knowledge, stress, responsibility.....
I pay for my insurance and my supplements and my co-pays blah blah blah and these type of positions are getting paid almost even under min. wage...???
I know this has been discussed before but still just chaps my ass.
good point, I wonder if the national min wage was $15 an hour would that drive up the wages of EMT's and similar fields ? could the long term affects drive up consumer cost's or as someone mentioned replacing people with push button menus or even give the robotics' field a boost into the work area ?
the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.
Godfather.
Sorry but I think you've heard wrong, GF. Like any field, some people want to move away hoping for greener pastures. Some physicians move to the US, thinking they'll make more money. Many move back to Canada, having found that, with the mess of your health care "system", they spend the majority of their time chasing payments and filling in endless forms. They get frustrated not being able to practice medicine the way they want, since so many treatments/procedures are denied. Add that to much higher malpractice insurance premiums and higher overhead costs and it's not so attractive. For many years, the net flow of physicians has been into Canada from the US, not the other way around.
Physicians also get frustrated in Canada by things like surgical wait times. There's no perfect system.
I don't know what you mean by "not so social pay wages", so won't comment on that at present.
late reply: awesome post ! and great info, thank you.
I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.
I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.
I don't know one teacher that makes $100,000 a year (I'm not sure where you got that from?).
Why did you just include professionals and their wages?
Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).
I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.
Hi Thirty - this was so long ago I'm trying to reconstruct it in my mind. I only talked about "professionals" because I was responding to mcgruff's post about those professions - "concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first". I wasn't intending to put any "profession" above another.
The info about teacher's salaries had recently been reported upon in the news so I drew the figures from that. However, I do also have a teacher in the family and those figures don't seem out of line.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.
I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.
I don't know one teacher that makes $100,000 a year (I'm not sure where you got that from?).
Why did you just include professionals and their wages?
Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).
I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.
Hi Thirty - this was so long ago I'm trying to reconstruct it in my mind. I only talked about "professionals" because I was responding to mcgruff's post about those professions - "concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first". I wasn't intending to put any "profession" above another.
The info about teacher's salaries had recently been reported upon in the news so I drew the figures from that. However, I do also have a teacher in the family and those figures don't seem out of line.
Not quite.
In British Columbia, the absolute 'highest' wage a teacher, with 10+ years experience and a master's degree earns is $83,000. That's the very highest and not the average or norm.
A far, far cry from $100,000. See how inherent attitudes lead to exaggerations that reinforce those very beliefs and, ultimately, perpetuate them to others?
Now start with the 'well even still... they hardly do anything for what they do make' stuff and you will have had a comprehensive attack on teachers that's far from original and so exceptionally obtuse.
* I'm not deliberately trying to attack you, but I get really tired of hearing this stuff. Teacher bashing is old. It grew old about a decade ago. And don't get me wrong... the teacher's union has played a part in the discontent the public has towards teachers (mostly by circling the wagons around poor performers); however, a good or great teacher is invaluable- stop marginalizing them.
I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.
I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.
I don't know one teacher that makes $100,000 a year (I'm not sure where you got that from?).
Why did you just include professionals and their wages?
Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).
I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.
Hi Thirty - this was so long ago I'm trying to reconstruct it in my mind. I only talked about "professionals" because I was responding to mcgruff's post about those professions - "concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first". I wasn't intending to put any "profession" above another.
The info about teacher's salaries had recently been reported upon in the news so I drew the figures from that. However, I do also have a teacher in the family and those figures don't seem out of line.
Not quite.
In British Columbia, the absolute 'highest' wage a teacher, with 10+ years experience and a master's degree earns is $83,000. That's the very highest and not the average or norm.
A far, far cry from $100,000. See how inherent attitudes lead to exaggerations that reinforce those very beliefs and, ultimately, perpetuate them to others?
Now start with the 'well even still... they hardly do anything for what they do make' stuff and you will have had a comprehensive attack on teachers that's far from original and so exceptionally obtuse.
* I'm not deliberately trying to attack you, but I get really tired of hearing this stuff. Teacher bashing is old. It grew old about a decade ago. And don't get me wrong... the teacher's union has played a part in the discontent the public has towards teachers (mostly by circling the wagons around poor performers); however, a good or great teacher is invaluable- stop marginalizing them.
Thirty, I have no idea where you're going with this, based on my two posts. I wasn't teacher bashing, or First Responder bashing. I was surprised at the low salaries reported by those in the US and contrasting them with salaries for similar jobs here. That's all. I didn't make any value judgment on those salaries for those jobs.
But because you've contested the figures, I'll include a couple of links here to teacher salaries across the country, one with much more detail than the other. BC teachers are certainly not in the highest ranking but I don't believe I specified BC.
You were a little outspoken in the last battle between BC teachers and the government of if I remember correctly.
I was just trying to illustrate the current reality. If one can point to the highest salaries to suggest how lucrative a job is... then one can point to the lowest salaries to do the opposite?
We can refer to Norway and... oh... say Guatemala as well for reference points of we were inclined. BC is our context.
Okay, fine Thirty. Post a whole paragraph of what you think I'm thinking and then refute it if you wish. I'm actually happy that the professions I posted about are paid better in Canada than they apparently are in parts of the US.
And FYI, it's mostly the teacher's union, particularly their leadership, that I'm not in favour of. I don't think it has done any favours for their membership, the students, or the public at large.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Okay, fine Thirty. Post a whole paragraph of what you think I'm thinking and then refute it if you wish. I'm actually happy that the professions I posted about are paid better in Canada than they apparently are in parts of the US.
And FYI, it's mostly the teacher's union, particularly their leadership, that I'm not in favour of. I don't think it has done any favours for their membership, the students, or the public at large.
I'm pretty sure I supported it vs refuted it. Did you get the impression my stance changed? You shouldn't have.
You made some casual, unsubstantiated generalizations. I countered with what should probably have been expressed in the interest of clarity.
It makes no difference- and... for the most part, I'd agree with your last statement.
I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.
I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.
I don't know one teacher that makes $100,000 a year (I'm not sure where you got that from?).
Why did you just include professionals and their wages?
Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).
I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.
Hi Thirty - this was so long ago I'm trying to reconstruct it in my mind. I only talked about "professionals" because I was responding to mcgruff's post about those professions - "concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first". I wasn't intending to put any "profession" above another.
The info about teacher's salaries had recently been reported upon in the news so I drew the figures from that. However, I do also have a teacher in the family and those figures don't seem out of line.
Not quite.
In British Columbia, the absolute 'highest' wage a teacher, with 10+ years experience and a master's degree earns is $83,000. That's the very highest and not the average or norm.
A far, far cry from $100,000. See how inherent attitudes lead to exaggerations that reinforce those very beliefs and, ultimately, perpetuate them to others?
Now start with the 'well even still... they hardly do anything for what they do make' stuff and you will have had a comprehensive attack on teachers that's far from original and so exceptionally obtuse.
* I'm not deliberately trying to attack you, but I get really tired of hearing this stuff. Teacher bashing is old. It grew old about a decade ago. And don't get me wrong... the teacher's union has played a part in the discontent the public has towards teachers (mostly by circling the wagons around poor performers); however, a good or great teacher is invaluable- stop marginalizing them.
Here in Alberta after about 10 years on the job and 6 years university you can make around $100,000.
And lets not forget their premium benefits, that should account over and above their salary.
Alberta is an outlier with regards to teaching salary and benefits. The teachers there also have additional prep time. From what I have come to understand... their contract was linked to the economy. When Alberta was rocking it... so were the teachers.
It will be interesting to see how their contract evolves given Alberta is in the tank somewhat right now.
Don't get me wrong - that's great for New York! It's just that Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in North America (according to The Economist), and the BC minimum wage just became the LOWEST in Canada at $10.45/hour (that's CAD of course) ... An increase is coming soon... to $10.65 I believe. It's just so fucking frustrating!!!!!!!!!! Graaaahhh!!!!!!
But yeah, congrats NY.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Don't get me wrong - that's great for New York! It's just that Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in North America (according to The Economist), and the BC minimum wage just became the LOWEST in Canada at $10.45/hour (that's CAD of course) ... An increase is coming soon... to $10.65 I believe. It's just so fucking frustrating!!!!!!!!!! Graaaahhh!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong - that's great for New York! It's just that Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in North America (according to The Economist), and the BC minimum wage just became the LOWEST in Canada at $10.45/hour (that's CAD of course) ... An increase is coming soon... to $10.65 I believe. It's just so fucking frustrating!!!!!!!!!! Graaaahhh!!!!!!
I guess it depends where you look (and the opposing ranking from The Economist is strange to say the least). Obviously the Chinese are driving the real estate insanity, and it's pissing people off:
Oh. I don't think they have those anymore. Thanks though Hedo
Technical institutions. They're all over the place. The go-to one where I am is BC Institute of Technology. Not that this is specifically relevant to you because of location, but here is an example of what a really good school offers in the trades: http://www.bcit.ca/path/trades/
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Oh. I don't think they have those anymore. Thanks though Hedo
Technical institutions. They're all over the place. The go-to one where I am is BC Institute of Technology. Not that this is specifically relevant to you because of location, but here is an example of what a really good school offers in the trades: http://www.bcit.ca/path/trades/
Yea I thought vocational school was what they used to call the old 600 schools (for kids with emotional/behavioral problems)
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Godfather.
I was speaking for the people who are working but need assistance. This is a huge plus for them.
Minimum Wage Set to Raise in New York and California
Government efficiency ...
Why did you just include professionals and their wages?
Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).
I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.
Long Island teachers do very well.
Godfather.
Godfather.
And they should do very well... don't you think? Should they just do 'okay'?
The info about teacher's salaries had recently been reported upon in the news so I drew the figures from that. However, I do also have a teacher in the family and those figures don't seem out of line.
In British Columbia, the absolute 'highest' wage a teacher, with 10+ years experience and a master's degree earns is $83,000. That's the very highest and not the average or norm.
http://www.bcpsea.bc.ca/bc-teachers/collective-agreements/teacher-salary-grids.aspx
A far, far cry from $100,000. See how inherent attitudes lead to exaggerations that reinforce those very beliefs and, ultimately, perpetuate them to others?
Now start with the 'well even still... they hardly do anything for what they do make' stuff and you will have had a comprehensive attack on teachers that's far from original and so exceptionally obtuse.
* I'm not deliberately trying to attack you, but I get really tired of hearing this stuff. Teacher bashing is old. It grew old about a decade ago. And don't get me wrong... the teacher's union has played a part in the discontent the public has towards teachers (mostly by circling the wagons around poor performers); however, a good or great teacher is invaluable- stop marginalizing them.
But because you've contested the figures, I'll include a couple of links here to teacher salaries across the country, one with much more detail than the other. BC teachers are certainly not in the highest ranking but I don't believe I specified BC.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1346218/wage-comparison-how-b-c-teachers-salaries-rank-across-canada/
http://www.bctf.ca/uploadedfiles/public/bargainingcontracts/teachersalaryrankings2013-14brief.pdf
You were a little outspoken in the last battle between BC teachers and the government of if I remember correctly.
I was just trying to illustrate the current reality. If one can point to the highest salaries to suggest how lucrative a job is... then one can point to the lowest salaries to do the opposite?
We can refer to Norway and... oh... say Guatemala as well for reference points of we were inclined. BC is our context.
And FYI, it's mostly the teacher's union, particularly their leadership, that I'm not in favour of. I don't think it has done any favours for their membership, the students, or the public at large.
You made some casual, unsubstantiated generalizations. I countered with what should probably have been expressed in the interest of clarity.
It makes no difference- and... for the most part, I'd agree with your last statement.
And lets not forget their premium benefits, that should account over and above their salary.
Source http://www.teachers.ab.ca/For Members/Salary Benefits and Pension/CollectiveAgreements/Pages/Calgary-School-District-No-19-(2012-2016).aspx
Alberta is an outlier with regards to teaching salary and benefits. The teachers there also have additional prep time. From what I have come to understand... their contract was linked to the economy. When Alberta was rocking it... so were the teachers.
It will be interesting to see how their contract evolves given Alberta is in the tank somewhat right now.
Don't get me wrong - that's great for New York! It's just that Vancouver is the most expensive city to live in North America (according to The Economist), and the BC minimum wage just became the LOWEST in Canada at $10.45/hour (that's CAD of course) ... An increase is coming soon... to $10.65 I believe. It's just so fucking frustrating!!!!!!!!!! Graaaahhh!!!!!!
But yeah, congrats NY.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/03/daily-chart-4
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http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/in-vancouver-north-americas-most-expensive-city-rich-chinese-take-the-blame-for-skyrocketing-home-prices
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-06/in-north-america-s-costliest-city-rich-chinese-face-backlash
http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/the-10-most-expensive-cities-to-live-in-north-america-333406/10/ (to save you time, #1 is Vancouver)
Anyway, with hightest cost of living and the lowest minimum wage, it makes me feel like BC's government is purposefully trying to fuck us.
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That's a great way to get there...and can be done before graduating.
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I might look into it. Thanks.
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