NYC Fast Food Chains to raise the minimum wage to $15!

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

Experienced, yes.

The argument that is floating around is newbies and rookies and as to "why" they make so much less…

Like I said, add up their benefits and then talk to me.

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

Experienced, yes.

The argument that is floating around is newbies and rookies and as to "why" they make so much less…

Like I said, add up their benefits and then talk to me.

Average starting salary for an EMT in Canada = $40,000 - $50,000.

Average starting salary for an RN in Canada = $43,000

Average starting salary for a teacher in Canada = $49,000 - $59,000.

I'm still amazed at the figures provided.

Godfather.

FoxyRedLa said:

It amazes me how an employer like mcdonalds can pay $15/h but an emt/paramedic earns $8-16/h and we all know the obvious differences in skill, knowledge, stress, responsibility.....

I pay for my insurance and my supplements and my co-pays blah blah blah and these type of positions are getting paid almost even under min. wage...???

I know this has been discussed before but still just chaps my ass.

when the mim.wage is raised that would affect the EMT/Paramedics as well. my son is attending EMT classes I sure hope he eventually makes more than $16 per hr. he make more than that working for a moving company.

Godfather.

Godfather.

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

the nurses I know make NXS of $35 and $40 an hour.

Godfather.

Godfather.

the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.

Godfather.

mcgruff10

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

ALL of those mentioned I have argued about before with people. Add up their benefit packages and it's WELL over $15 an hour.

Better yet in five years who will be better off, the fast food employee or the above mentioned?

What I see with this new law is a lot of people getting off assisted living and welfare(EBT). That alone could start saving states millions.

I absolutely love your last point. I never thought of it from that angle. Nice thinking!!!

FoxyRedLa

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

ALL of those mentioned I have argued about before with people. Add up their benefit packages and it's WELL over $15 an hour.

Better yet in five years who will be better off, the fast food employee or the above mentioned?

What I see with this new law is a lot of people getting off assisted living and welfare(EBT). That alone could start saving states millions.

I am not speaking for everyone on wellfare - but in my opinion if you don't take the wellfare away why would they go find a job? They get free health insurance free food free transportation and they don't have to pay taxes. Wtf would they drop that to go work?

For some I understand they are in between jobs. I'm not talking about everyone.

I have met people that say they deserve those benefits?? Really? Really? The tax payers make sure they have everything they need and you're going to walk around saying that?? They should be mandated to show they are trying to better themselves just like those that have to prove their looking for work to receive their unemployment - which they F'n worked for. Wtf.

Ok sorry getting carried away I better stop.

FoxyRedLa

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

Experienced, yes.

The argument that is floating around is newbies and rookies and as to "why" they make so much less…

Like I said, add up their benefits and then talk to me.

I think it's more about skill and education not really about being a newbie. I'm sorry but if you only need a high school diploma for entry level meaning don't have to have any paid for college under your belt you should not be getting $15 an hour.

You don't even need a high school diploma to work at mcdonalds.

I guess the point here is mcdonalds can afford to increase their wages.

oftenreading

Godfather. said:

the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.

Godfather.

Sorry but I think you've heard wrong, GF. Like any field, some people want to move away hoping for greener pastures. Some physicians move to the US, thinking they'll make more money. Many move back to Canada, having found that, with the mess of your health care "system", they spend the majority of their time chasing payments and filling in endless forms. They get frustrated not being able to practice medicine the way they want, since so many treatments/procedures are denied. Add that to much higher malpractice insurance premiums and higher overhead costs and it's not so attractive. For many years, the net flow of physicians has been into Canada from the US, not the other way around.

Physicians also get frustrated in Canada by things like surgical wait times. There's no perfect system.

I don't know what you mean by "not so social pay wages", so won't comment on that at present.

Godfather.

oftenreading said:

Godfather. said:

the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.

Godfather.

Sorry but I think you've heard wrong, GF. Like any field, some people want to move away hoping for greener pastures. Some physicians move to the US, thinking they'll make more money. Many move back to Canada, having found that, with the mess of your health care "system", they spend the majority of their time chasing payments and filling in endless forms. They get frustrated not being able to practice medicine the way they want, since so many treatments/procedures are denied. Add that to much higher malpractice insurance premiums and higher overhead costs and it's not so attractive. For many years, the net flow of physicians has been into Canada from the US, not the other way around.

Physicians also get frustrated in Canada by things like surgical wait times. There's no perfect system.

I don't know what you mean by "not so social pay wages", so won't comment on that at present.

Thanks for your reply, it's been quite a while since I've been to Canada and talked to some friends there and back then that was the story they gave me, thanks for clearing that up, now I know.

Godfather.

tempo_n_groove

FoxyRedLa said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

ALL of those mentioned I have argued about before with people. Add up their benefit packages and it's WELL over $15 an hour.

Better yet in five years who will be better off, the fast food employee or the above mentioned?

What I see with this new law is a lot of people getting off assisted living and welfare(EBT). That alone could start saving states millions.

I am not speaking for everyone on wellfare - but in my opinion if you don't take the wellfare away why would they go find a job? They get free health insurance free food free transportation and they don't have to pay taxes. Wtf would they drop that to go work?

For some I understand they are in between jobs. I'm not talking about everyone.

I have met people that say they deserve those benefits?? Really? Really? The tax payers make sure they have everything they need and you're going to walk around saying that?? They should be mandated to show they are trying to better themselves just like those that have to prove their looking for work to receive their unemployment - which they F'n worked for. Wtf.

Ok sorry getting carried away I better stop.

Very true. If they aren't working and feeding off the system there isn't any incentive to better yourself.

I was speaking for the people who are working but need assistance. This is a huge plus for them.

Free

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-04-01/california-new-york-poised-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-15

Minimum Wage Set to Raise in New York and California

Jason P

In New York City, the wage would increase to $15 by the end of 2018, though businesses with fewer than 10 employees would get an extra year. In the suburbs of Long Island and Westchester County, the wage would rise to $15 by the end of 2022. The increases are even more drawn out upstate, where the wage would hit $12.50 in 2021, then increase to $15 based on an undetermined schedule.

Government efficiency ...

Free

Jason P said:

In New York City, the wage would increase to $15 by the end of 2018, though businesses with fewer than 10 employees would get an extra year. In the suburbs of Long Island and Westchester County, the wage would rise to $15 by the end of 2022. The increases are even more drawn out upstate, where the wage would hit $12.50 in 2021, then increase to $15 based on an undetermined schedule.

Government efficiency ...

Yeah, that upstate increase makes a whole lot of sense...not! 2021...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

I don't know one teacher that makes $100,000 a year (I'm not sure where you got that from?).

Why did you just include professionals and their wages?

Why not list... oh... say mill workers, miners, electricians and plumbers? The trades people make the dollars you speak of... and they never had to go to university for 5-6 years to get there. The local city workers- 4 to a shovel- earn big dollars with exceptional benefit packages (they literally find shady trees to sleep under when managing our parks).

I'm not begrudging anyone of anything, but I get tired of people pointing to police or teachers or firemen- as if they are the great benefactors in our society- before they point to many other jobs when trying to make their point.

tempo_n_groove

I know 3 that make right at 100k. They are related to me.
Long Island teachers do very well.

Free

NY teachers are 2nd highest paid in nation.

Godfather.

FoxyRedLa said:

It amazes me how an employer like mcdonalds can pay $15/h but an emt/paramedic earns $8-16/h and we all know the obvious differences in skill, knowledge, stress, responsibility.....

I pay for my insurance and my supplements and my co-pays blah blah blah and these type of positions are getting paid almost even under min. wage...???

I know this has been discussed before but still just chaps my ass.

good point, I wonder if the national min wage was $15 an hour would that drive up the wages of EMT's and similar fields ? could the long term affects drive up consumer cost's or as someone mentioned replacing people with push button menus or even give the robotics' field a boost into the work area ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

oftenreading said:

Godfather. said:

the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.

Godfather.

Sorry but I think you've heard wrong, GF. Like any field, some people want to move away hoping for greener pastures. Some physicians move to the US, thinking they'll make more money. Many move back to Canada, having found that, with the mess of your health care "system", they spend the majority of their time chasing payments and filling in endless forms. They get frustrated not being able to practice medicine the way they want, since so many treatments/procedures are denied. Add that to much higher malpractice insurance premiums and higher overhead costs and it's not so attractive. For many years, the net flow of physicians has been into Canada from the US, not the other way around.

Physicians also get frustrated in Canada by things like surgical wait times. There's no perfect system.

I don't know what you mean by "not so social pay wages", so won't comment on that at present.

late reply: awesome post ! and great info, thank you.

Godfather.