NYC Fast Food Chains to raise the minimum wage to $15!

tempo_n_groove

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

Jason P

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

It is now.

rr165892

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

rgambs

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

Don't forget the sausage mcgriddle!

Godfather.

I think it's about time ! for people who want to work and earn a living that have no education to speak of....or shit even those that do and can't find work this is good news, I also believe that this will push the wage up for other types of entry level jobs, raising the min. wage will create competive hourley wages, the avarage top of the scale for many factory positions is $12 to $15 an hour
wherehouse persons, material coordnaters etc.(yes I've been there thank God we have Unions)
I think at first some jobs will suffer and prices will go up a little but the in the end it will all even out and give people a chance to earn a liveable wage.

Godfather.

rr165892

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

Don't forget the sausage mcgriddle!

Fuck,my triglycerides just skyrocketed.Im glad I'm not buzzed,that kinda sounds good in a sickening kind of way.mmmmm sweet maple flavored bread

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

Don't forget the sausage mcgriddle!

Fuck,my triglycerides just skyrocketed.Im glad I'm not buzzed,that kinda sounds good in a sickening kind of way.mmmmm sweet maple flavored bread

HHAHHAHHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHA !!!!!!!!

Godfather.

Godfather.

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

Don't forget the sausage mcgriddle!

Fuck,my triglycerides just skyrocketed.Im glad I'm not buzzed,that kinda sounds good in a sickening kind of way.mmmmm sweet maple flavored bread

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/07/24/couple-finds-dirty-rag-instead-mcdonald-cheeseburger/?intcmp=features

Godfather.

rr165892

Godfather. said:

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

Don't forget the sausage mcgriddle!

Fuck,my triglycerides just skyrocketed.Im glad I'm not buzzed,that kinda sounds good in a sickening kind of way.mmmmm sweet maple flavored bread

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/07/24/couple-finds-dirty-rag-instead-mcdonald-cheeseburger/?intcmp=features

Godfather.

Most likely tasted better then that burger.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

Don't forget the sausage mcgriddle!

Fuck,my triglycerides just skyrocketed.Im glad I'm not buzzed,that kinda sounds good in a sickening kind of way.mmmmm sweet maple flavored bread

I indulge in one and a Mocha Frappe from time to time. It's a shame you can't eat like that and feel great too, now THAT is utopia.

tempo_n_groove

Godfather. said:

I think it's about time ! for people who want to work and earn a living that have no education to speak of....or shit even those that do and can't find work this is good news, I also believe that this will push the wage up for other types of entry level jobs, raising the min. wage will create competive hourley wages, the avarage top of the scale for many factory positions is $12 to $15 an hour
wherehouse persons, material coordnaters etc.(yes I've been there thank God we have Unions)
I think at first some jobs will suffer and prices will go up a little but the in the end it will all even out and give people a chance to earn a liveable wage.

Godfather.

There will be touch screens to offset this and take the jobs away from the people. I do disagree with this for one reason only and that was Fast food shouldn't be a career path but a stepping stone.

It is good because a lot of people will be able to get out of assisted living.

Will this hinder people from trying to advance themselves more though?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

tempo_n_groove said:

Godfather. said:

I think it's about time ! for people who want to work and earn a living that have no education to speak of....or shit even those that do and can't find work this is good news, I also believe that this will push the wage up for other types of entry level jobs, raising the min. wage will create competive hourley wages, the avarage top of the scale for many factory positions is $12 to $15 an hour
wherehouse persons, material coordnaters etc.(yes I've been there thank God we have Unions)
I think at first some jobs will suffer and prices will go up a little but the in the end it will all even out and give people a chance to earn a liveable wage.

Godfather.

There will be touch screens to offset this and take the jobs away from the people. I do disagree with this for one reason only and that was Fast food shouldn't be a career path but a stepping stone.

It is good because a lot of people will be able to get out of assisted living.

Will this hinder people from trying to advance themselves more though?

I want to see how the $15 an hour wage is going to change the hiring process. How will this effect the high school kids and college kids, who are working at the fast food joints? $15 an hour will now change who indeed is applying for these jobs. Right? Now you will get 50-65 year olds who have maybe retired, or are looking to supplement their income. If I were to be managing the fast food joint, and were looking to hire, I would have to say I would hire the older individual instead of the high school kid. The older individual has more work experience, and is probably a little more reliable. Now where are the kids going to go work?

jeffbr

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Godfather. said:

I think it's about time ! for people who want to work and earn a living that have no education to speak of....or shit even those that do and can't find work this is good news, I also believe that this will push the wage up for other types of entry level jobs, raising the min. wage will create competive hourley wages, the avarage top of the scale for many factory positions is $12 to $15 an hour
wherehouse persons, material coordnaters etc.(yes I've been there thank God we have Unions)
I think at first some jobs will suffer and prices will go up a little but the in the end it will all even out and give people a chance to earn a liveable wage.

Godfather.

There will be touch screens to offset this and take the jobs away from the people. I do disagree with this for one reason only and that was Fast food shouldn't be a career path but a stepping stone.

It is good because a lot of people will be able to get out of assisted living.

Will this hinder people from trying to advance themselves more though?

I want to see how the $15 an hour wage is going to change the hiring process. How will this effect the high school kids and college kids, who are working at the fast food joints? $15 an hour will now change who indeed is applying for these jobs. Right? Now you will get 50-65 year olds who have maybe retired, or are looking to supplement their income. If I were to be managing the fast food joint, and were looking to hire, I would have to say I would hire the older individual instead of the high school kid. The older individual has more work experience, and is probably a little more reliable. Now where are the kids going to go work?

Exactly. That is definitely being felt in our area.

Why do we have a notion that a minimum wage should be a living wage that adults can support their families on? Minimum wage should be for minimal/no experience, and minimal/no relevant skills. If someone is trying to build a career in a burger flipping job requiring no experience, they have lost the plot. 16 year old kids in my day knew what those jobs were. We took them to get money for weed, beer, gas, and to go to the movies with our girlfriends.

What happens with minimum wage inflation? Does that create across the board wage inflation? Should it? Here's an example with round numbers - if your business is paying $10/hr, and you get a $1/hr increase after each year of employment, you will have experienced, 5 year employees making $15/hr. If the minimum wage is now increased to $15/hr, do you now hire inexperienced workers making the same money as your experienced, tenured workers? Do your entry level jobs now require more experience commensurate with the increased pay? Or do you now increase ALL wages in the company so that the tenured employee still sees benefit for sticking around, being loyal, and growing with the company? This really is a zero-sum game. That extra money going toward payroll doesn't just appear from nowhere. It has to come from somewhere on the balance sheet.

Godfather.

NOBODY supporting themselfs or a family will get ahead on $15 an hour..at least here in California.
in most places $15 an hour barley makes rent and utilitys, single people working at that wage will be taxed into the ground and a family of three to four would be living tight, this wage increase is not such an earth shaker people seem to think it is....good or bad but what it will do is help to make surviving a little easier for the working people that have to work min. wage jobs, people with experiance in big money fields can run into hard times when they lose thier job and maybe they can pick up a min. wage job just to get thru the hard times a little easier, it's a hand up not a hand out.

Godfather.

rgambs

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Godfather. said:

I think it's about time ! for people who want to work and earn a living that have no education to speak of....or shit even those that do and can't find work this is good news, I also believe that this will push the wage up for other types of entry level jobs, raising the min. wage will create competive hourley wages, the avarage top of the scale for many factory positions is $12 to $15 an hour
wherehouse persons, material coordnaters etc.(yes I've been there thank God we have Unions)
I think at first some jobs will suffer and prices will go up a little but the in the end it will all even out and give people a chance to earn a liveable wage.

Godfather.

There will be touch screens to offset this and take the jobs away from the people. I do disagree with this for one reason only and that was Fast food shouldn't be a career path but a stepping stone.

It is good because a lot of people will be able to get out of assisted living.

Will this hinder people from trying to advance themselves more though?

I want to see how the $15 an hour wage is going to change the hiring process. How will this effect the high school kids and college kids, who are working at the fast food joints? $15 an hour will now change who indeed is applying for these jobs. Right? Now you will get 50-65 year olds who have maybe retired, or are looking to supplement their income. If I were to be managing the fast food joint, and were looking to hire, I would have to say I would hire the older individual instead of the high school kid. The older individual has more work experience, and is probably a little more reliable. Now where are the kids going to go work?

That's the situation in place already, though it may get worse. In Ohio you see more over 35 than under at most FF joints

oftenreading

Usually the older folks doing daytime or early morning shifts in fast food, while the students do afternoons/evenings.

There will, of course, be consequences in a lot of different areas from increasing the minimum wage; some will benefit the workers and some won't. Definitely some people will lose their jobs, but that happens any time there are widespread economic changes. Some other jurisdictions have experience with raising the minimum wage closer to a livable range, but frankly I'm not sure if those are comparable because the social structure as a whole is so different.

FoxyRedLa

It amazes me how an employer like mcdonalds can pay $15/h but an emt/paramedic earns $8-16/h and we all know the obvious differences in skill, knowledge, stress, responsibility.....

I pay for my insurance and my supplements and my co-pays blah blah blah and these type of positions are getting paid almost even under min. wage...???

I know this has been discussed before but still just chaps my ass.

mcgruff10

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

tempo_n_groove

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

ALL of those mentioned I have argued about before with people. Add up their benefit packages and it's WELL over $15 an hour.

Better yet in five years who will be better off, the fast food employee or the above mentioned?

What I see with this new law is a lot of people getting off assisted living and welfare(EBT). That alone could start saving states millions.

brianlux

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/07/23/425460095/fast-food-workers-cheer-as-15-minimum-wage-advances-in-new-york-state

So there are tons of good, bad and ugly in this.

Though I never viewed Fast Food as a career?

For many years now I have not considered "Fast Food" food.

It's crap.But McDonalds at least has some good choices if in a bind.(Oatmeal,apples,Grilled Chix,salad,fruit cup,etc)

I guess it's been forever since I've been to a McD's. The closest I get to fast food is Chipotle Grill. No GMO's!

oftenreading

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

Experienced, yes.

The argument that is floating around is newbies and rookies and as to "why" they make so much less…

Like I said, add up their benefits and then talk to me.

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

Experienced, yes.

The argument that is floating around is newbies and rookies and as to "why" they make so much less…

Like I said, add up their benefits and then talk to me.

Average starting salary for an EMT in Canada = $40,000 - $50,000.

Average starting salary for an RN in Canada = $43,000

Average starting salary for a teacher in Canada = $49,000 - $59,000.

I'm still amazed at the figures provided.

Godfather.

FoxyRedLa said:

It amazes me how an employer like mcdonalds can pay $15/h but an emt/paramedic earns $8-16/h and we all know the obvious differences in skill, knowledge, stress, responsibility.....

I pay for my insurance and my supplements and my co-pays blah blah blah and these type of positions are getting paid almost even under min. wage...???

I know this has been discussed before but still just chaps my ass.

when the mim.wage is raised that would affect the EMT/Paramedics as well. my son is attending EMT classes I sure hope he eventually makes more than $16 per hr. he make more than that working for a moving company.

Godfather.

Godfather.

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

the nurses I know make NXS of $35 and $40 an hour.

Godfather.

Godfather.

the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.

Godfather.

mcgruff10

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

ALL of those mentioned I have argued about before with people. Add up their benefit packages and it's WELL over $15 an hour.

Better yet in five years who will be better off, the fast food employee or the above mentioned?

What I see with this new law is a lot of people getting off assisted living and welfare(EBT). That alone could start saving states millions.

I absolutely love your last point. I never thought of it from that angle. Nice thinking!!!

FoxyRedLa

tempo_n_groove said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

ALL of those mentioned I have argued about before with people. Add up their benefit packages and it's WELL over $15 an hour.

Better yet in five years who will be better off, the fast food employee or the above mentioned?

What I see with this new law is a lot of people getting off assisted living and welfare(EBT). That alone could start saving states millions.

I am not speaking for everyone on wellfare - but in my opinion if you don't take the wellfare away why would they go find a job? They get free health insurance free food free transportation and they don't have to pay taxes. Wtf would they drop that to go work?

For some I understand they are in between jobs. I'm not talking about everyone.

I have met people that say they deserve those benefits?? Really? Really? The tax payers make sure they have everything they need and you're going to walk around saying that?? They should be mandated to show they are trying to better themselves just like those that have to prove their looking for work to receive their unemployment - which they F'n worked for. Wtf.

Ok sorry getting carried away I better stop.

FoxyRedLa

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

I live a little outside of NYC and some first responders don't get $15 an hour. How about concentrate on nurses, teachers, first responsers and Fire fighters first. This is pretty impressive yet pathetic. There is zero schooling/continuing eds involved with this profession.

I am amazed that the professions you list aren't paid at least $15/hr. Where I live, all of those are unionized, well-paid professions. Many experienced teachers make around $100,000/yr, and they start around $50,000+. I knew an EMT with a few years of experience who made $70,000/yr, and nurses make a comfortable wage.

Experienced, yes.

The argument that is floating around is newbies and rookies and as to "why" they make so much less…

Like I said, add up their benefits and then talk to me.

I think it's more about skill and education not really about being a newbie. I'm sorry but if you only need a high school diploma for entry level meaning don't have to have any paid for college under your belt you should not be getting $15 an hour.

You don't even need a high school diploma to work at mcdonalds.

I guess the point here is mcdonalds can afford to increase their wages.

oftenreading

Godfather. said:

the medical field in canada is horrible from what I'm told, doctors are lining up to work in the US last I heard, it seems with socialized medicen there also comes not so social pay wages for doctors, if congress don't get off thier ass and fix obamacare that same thing may very well happen here.

Godfather.

Sorry but I think you've heard wrong, GF. Like any field, some people want to move away hoping for greener pastures. Some physicians move to the US, thinking they'll make more money. Many move back to Canada, having found that, with the mess of your health care "system", they spend the majority of their time chasing payments and filling in endless forms. They get frustrated not being able to practice medicine the way they want, since so many treatments/procedures are denied. Add that to much higher malpractice insurance premiums and higher overhead costs and it's not so attractive. For many years, the net flow of physicians has been into Canada from the US, not the other way around.

Physicians also get frustrated in Canada by things like surgical wait times. There's no perfect system.

I don't know what you mean by "not so social pay wages", so won't comment on that at present.