3 Qur’anic Verses That Prove ISIS Is Un-Islamic

JimmyV said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

it is funny how when confronted with verses from the actual book it should change the narrative that isis is representative of islam as a whole, but it doesn't.

i suppose this goes back to the argument that people should be able to make up their own facts, maybe?

Having never read the book this could be wrong but I've always assumed it was like the bible in that it often contradicts itself. That you can find one passage that says X and another that says Y. For every "eye for an eye" there is a "turn the other cheek".

Thats two seperate books though. Old and New. Kinda the point of the messiah to start with. Fulfillment of the original covenant to usher in the new covenant.

mickeyrat said:

JimmyV said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

it is funny how when confronted with verses from the actual book it should change the narrative that isis is representative of islam as a whole, but it doesn't.

i suppose this goes back to the argument that people should be able to make up their own facts, maybe?

Having never read the book this could be wrong but I've always assumed it was like the bible in that it often contradicts itself. That you can find one passage that says X and another that says Y. For every "eye for an eye" there is a "turn the other cheek".

Thats two seperate books though. Old and New. Kinda the point of the messiah to start with. Fulfillment of the original covenant to usher in the new covenant.

Fair enough.

Excellent points made in the article, gimme. Thanks for posting it!

I guess the truth part of the thread is that ISIS clearly doesn't follow the precepts of the mythology they claim to embrace. ISIS isn't and shouldn't be considered representative of Islam just as the Westboro Baptists shouldn't be considered representative of Christianity even though they also cling to writings in their book of mythology (or at least the ones that suit them). Most people in this country wouldn't consider Westboro representative, but I suspect many/most people in this country may consider ISIS representative for some reason.

And to answer a different question in this thread, truth isn't subjective. So the question "whose truth is the right truth?" starts from a faulty premise.

dmaradona10 said:

This is such a complex topic and the OP does a good job presenting his argument. My opinion is that there are over one billion Muslims and the vast majority are peaceful.
My concern is this: millions of Muslims are pouring into the West.
There are some cultural issues here regarding how Muslim communities get along with other religious and cultural groups. In extreme cases there are honor killings and female genital mutilation.
I have a difficult time seeing woman in burkas in my community, to me they looked highly restricted. I also think overall treatment of woman is one of second class citizenship.

Any extremist group gives me the creeps. Reading about the nutty breakaway fundamentalist Mormon group (FLDS) that ran the towns (the Warren Jeffs towns) that made women and girls dress in long dresses, I think they weren't allowed to cut their hair, they were traded at a very young age as wives to various men - ugh. They ran the police department, too.

In Israel - the ultra Orthodox Jews separating men and women, women once again forced to wear "modest" clothing, no TV or movies, very restrictive behavior, etc.

Nutty Christian groups, too. Extremists - blech.

Like I said, I've just started reading the Quran and so far, it's very much like the bible. And very interesting to read.

Who Princess said:

dmaradona10 said:

I have a difficult time seeing woman in burkas in my community, to me they looked highly restricted. I also think overall treatment of woman is one of second class citizenship.

I'm not sure if you mean an actual burka, such as are worn by women in Afghanistan, or the head covering called a hijab. This is a pretty good article with illustrations about the different kinds of garments worn by Muslim women: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241.

In a secular country such as the U.S., head coverings are optional. Other than the slight distraction of seeing someone with one, I've come to admire the women that I see that choose to wear it. It takes some courage to publicly show your religious affiliation in a society where there is so much anti-Muslim sentiment.

I'm referring to the total covering of the face and body except for the hands and eyes. Nun garb gives me the creeps too. Only nuns wear it voluntarily. Woman are required to wear at least the head covering in Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Who Princess said:

dmaradona10 said:

Who Princess said:

dmaradona10 said:

I have a difficult time seeing woman in burkas in my community, to me they looked highly restricted. I also think overall treatment of woman is one of second class citizenship.

I'm not sure if you mean an actual burka, such as are worn by women in Afghanistan, or the head covering called a hijab. This is a pretty good article with illustrations about the different kinds of garments worn by Muslim women: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241.

In a secular country such as the U.S., head coverings are optional. Other than the slight distraction of seeing someone with one, I've come to admire the women that I see that choose to wear it. It takes some courage to publicly show your religious affiliation in a society where there is so much anti-Muslim sentiment.

I'm referring to the total covering of the face and body except for the hands and eyes. Nun garb gives me the creeps too. Only nuns wear it voluntarily. Woman are required to wear at least the head covering in Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.

My husband thinks nuns are creepy too. I went to Catholic schools so I don't think twice about it, other than the way they are usually depicted in movies or TV, which tends to be very inaccurate.

Yes, in heavily Islamic countries you'll see women covered and I don't care for that. But subjugation of women in the world is a whole different issue and not exclusive to Islam.

I'd say that subjugation is kicked up a couple notches in some Islamic based places.

Who Princess said:

My husband thinks nuns are creepy too. I went to Catholic schools so I don't think twice about it, other than the way they are usually depicted in movies or TV, which tends to be very inaccurate.

Wait just a minute here...are you saying nuns don't fly?

lukin2006 said:

I never considered them religious. I suspect if their was a god he would absolutely be appalled by their actions and the actions of many so called religious folks.

yet not so appalled that hes moved to do anything about it.