3 Qur’anic Verses That Prove ISIS Is Un-Islamic

BS44325

I think these murderers disagree with the OP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12204357/Muslim-shopkeeper-murdered-in-suspected-religiously-prejudiced-attack-after-posting-on-Facebook-of-love-for-Christians.html

PJfanwillneverleave1

This thread is a klunker. One can not mix religion with reality and expect progress.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

BS44325 said:

I think these murderers disagree with the OP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12204357/Muslim-shopkeeper-murdered-in-suspected-religiously-prejudiced-attack-after-posting-on-Facebook-of-love-for-Christians.html

Brutal.

gimmesometruth27

BS44325 said:

I think these murderers disagree with the OP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12204357/Muslim-shopkeeper-murdered-in-suspected-religiously-prejudiced-attack-after-posting-on-Facebook-of-love-for-Christians.html

i am not sure what point you are trying to make.

has nothing to do with isis, has nothing to do with the 3 tenets in the main article.

sad that this happened, but has nothing to do with this thread.

care to discuss the topic?

brianlux

BS, in the interview with Levy you posted elsewhere, Levy talks about the wisdom on supporting the Muslims who are not part of the radical, violent faction. It seems to me in a way this support the three tenets in the OP article. We need to stop looking at Muslims as all the same and understand that most are not involved in the extremest's violent actions.

BS44325

brianlux said:

BS, in the interview with Levy you posted elsewhere, Levy talks about the wisdom on supporting the Muslims who are not part of the radical, violent faction. It seems to me in a way this support the three tenets in the OP article. We need to stop looking at Muslims as all the same and understand that most are not involved in the extremest's violent actions.

I actually think the video doesn't support the OP as Levy makes two points 1) it is not all muslims (which I absolutely agree with) 2) But one can't say it has "nothing to do with islam" (which I absolutely agree with as well). My problem with what the OP has written is that moderate muslims can absolutely point to these tenets as evidence while at the same time radical muslims can point to others to justify their violence. The attack in Lahore is a perfect example. The Taliban who are taking credit think it goes against the quran for non-muslims to be celebrating their religion in an Islamic country. They see it as an affront to allah. So with all due respect to the OP I think it does us all a great deservice when we remove the Islam from the conversation. That being said...if Islamic preachers and educators are taking these tenets to their people in order to make it clear that their religion does not condone violence it would be a whole different story. In many communities this is happening but unfortunately in many others it is not.

gimmesometruth27

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

BS, in the interview with Levy you posted elsewhere, Levy talks about the wisdom on supporting the Muslims who are not part of the radical, violent faction. It seems to me in a way this support the three tenets in the OP article. We need to stop looking at Muslims as all the same and understand that most are not involved in the extremest's violent actions.

I actually think the video doesn't support the OP as Levy makes two points 1) it is not all muslims (which I absolutely agree with) 2) But one can't say it has "nothing to do with islam" (which I absolutely agree with as well). My problem with what the OP has written is that moderate muslims can absolutely point to these tenets as evidence while at the same time radical muslims can point to others to justify their violence. The attack in Lahore is a perfect example. The Taliban who are taking credit think it goes against the quran for non-muslims to be celebrating their religion in an Islamic country. They see it as an affront to allah. So with all due respect to the OP I think it does us all a great deservice when we remove the Islam from the conversation. That being said...if Islamic preachers and educators are taking these tenets to their people in order to make it clear that their religion does not condone violence it would be a whole different story. In many communities this is happening but unfortunately in many others it is not.

by your rationale it is religion in general that is the problem, no?

BS44325

gimmesometruth27 said:

BS44325 said:

brianlux said:

BS, in the interview with Levy you posted elsewhere, Levy talks about the wisdom on supporting the Muslims who are not part of the radical, violent faction. It seems to me in a way this support the three tenets in the OP article. We need to stop looking at Muslims as all the same and understand that most are not involved in the extremest's violent actions.

I actually think the video doesn't support the OP as Levy makes two points 1) it is not all muslims (which I absolutely agree with) 2) But one can't say it has "nothing to do with islam" (which I absolutely agree with as well). My problem with what the OP has written is that moderate muslims can absolutely point to these tenets as evidence while at the same time radical muslims can point to others to justify their violence. The attack in Lahore is a perfect example. The Taliban who are taking credit think it goes against the quran for non-muslims to be celebrating their religion in an Islamic country. They see it as an affront to allah. So with all due respect to the OP I think it does us all a great deservice when we remove the Islam from the conversation. That being said...if Islamic preachers and educators are taking these tenets to their people in order to make it clear that their religion does not condone violence it would be a whole different story. In many communities this is happening but unfortunately in many others it is not.

by your rationale it is religion in general that is the problem, no?

No.