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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    benjs said:

    callen said:

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    Gern Blansten said:

    benjs said:

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    muskydan said:

    g under p said:

    callen said:

    This will give Trump some material.

    I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.

    I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.

    Peace

    And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.
    Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.

    And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.

    Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.
    Agreed...

    Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?

    God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.

    There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!
    not intervening = not giving a shit
    Yup. God must be a real asshat. He either causes this shit, or lets it happen. So if "he" exists, he should be ashamed of himself.
    I know there are religions which claim that the lack of intervention isn't for lack of care, but for desiring free will for people so they can make mistakes and learn lessons. Not my personal opinion, but people believe what they want to believe I guess.
    Ben if it's nonsensical em think it's imperative to call it out. There is no doubt religion feeds terrorism. Sole cause no. But be great to get rid of this excuse.
    I agree with you. I also worry about the next excuse used to justify horrific actions, but I agree that it would be fantastic to get this one off the table.
    So in religion it's this hugely emotionally charged - aspect that I think is a bigger driver than nationalism or race. Agree something else will be used to divide but this one item is huge. And terrorists do pray before they flip the switch. Telling.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    edited March 2016
    callen said:

    benjs said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    callen said:

    muskydan said:

    g under p said:

    callen said:

    This will give Trump some material.

    I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.

    I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.

    Peace

    And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.
    Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.

    And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.

    Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.
    Agreed...

    Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?

    God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.

    There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!
    Oh yes the God works in mysterious ways and he's not intervening for a reason.

    Yet we pray to god daily for wealth and thank him for making a fraakin touchdown pass. Prayers work but fuck the kids that just got blown up. But bless them. Idiocracy.
    I agree with you.
    If I believed in God I'd totally hate his guts. What an asshole. I can't beleive people actually do stuff in his name. It's almost like worshipping Satan.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited March 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

    what is the solution to stopping these attacks?

    I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now.
    We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.

    Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.

    edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.
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  • JC29856
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    JC29856 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Jimal... made a response in the Paris thread to a question I asked of JC (which he ducked). I thought it was fair.

    Poor assimilation. These f**king idiots made no connection with the country they were raised in. Call it what you want, but it's mass murder any way you want to look at it. Instead of a barking dog motivating them... a f**ked up ideology did the trick.

    Missed that question? What i duck?
    You said, "8 of 10 terrorists were European citizens."

    I asked what conclusions you drew from that statement.
    Conclusions: was overreaction to refugees, speaks to depth and determination of oppressed
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited March 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

    what is the solution to stopping these attacks?

    And many try to steer the conversation this way but then are called apologists. It's much easier and satisfying to just hate, kill and build big fkn walls. WHOOT WHOOT.

    Say this, if I were black or Muslim I'd be even more pissed off. Course I have "guilt". Ha
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    JC29856 said:

    The men who carried out these attacks were politically educated out of the destruction of Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan, the drone bombings in Pakistan and Yemen, the torture of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, and the colonization and occupation of Palestine. To make it shorter, they, mostly identify as Muslims, and they were horrified by the ideological war of the West against what it wrongfully calls “the Muslim world.” This is the main motivator behind the men of ISIS becoming killers. “Your wars, our deaths” became a slogan after the Paris attacks. It might not be totally accurate, and we definitely cannot simplify things, but there is a lot of truth in it.

    Good stuff...

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/23/five-things-you-need-know-about-the-attacks-from-a-peace-activist-in-brussels/

    This is called being an apologist JC.

    Always blaming others and excusing away the why for the sick actions of these Islamic thug piece of shit assholes.

    Lumping every squabble in the fucked up Muslim world together as a precursor.Well done.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

    what is the solution to stopping these attacks?

    I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now.
    We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.

    Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.

    edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.
    war them out where? where do you react with force? it's not a country you are fighting. it's a group of people with no border. and it has been proven that the more of these people killed, the more terrorists you create. it will be a never ending, and escalating, cycle.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

    what is the solution to stopping these attacks?

    I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now.
    We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.

    Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.

    edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.
    war them out where? where do you react with force? it's not a country you are fighting. it's a group of people with no border. and it has been proven that the more of these people killed, the more terrorists you create. it will be a never ending, and escalating, cycle.
    In a coliseum maybe....
    Round up all the proven guys and.....
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    callen said:

    Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no.
    J Jeffries

    as i imagined it as a child, in heaven there is no hate, there is no grudges, you are souls, not beholden to your past as a human. there is no "ah fuck, I can't stand this guy, how do I get out of this conversation?". only pure love and peace. sounds pretty awesome to me. but again, I don't believe it.

    hell isn't for human-defined "bad things". those things bring you joy, so in hell (again, as I imagined it as a child), you do not get those things.
    So in heaven you'd have these happy thoughts for ETERNITY. No grudges. No immoral thoughts. No BEER!?!? Would be utter hell. Fk like being a zombie.

    Would love to get others opinions of eternal states in heaven and hell. No not well versed. Still working on reading more of the good book.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    And think on topic as suicide bombers are wanting some.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Why is the common denominator always Saudis?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/03/23/the-roots-of-belgiums-islamist-threat-reach-back-to-saudi-arabia/
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    callen said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    callen said:

    Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no.
    J Jeffries

    as i imagined it as a child, in heaven there is no hate, there is no grudges, you are souls, not beholden to your past as a human. there is no "ah fuck, I can't stand this guy, how do I get out of this conversation?". only pure love and peace. sounds pretty awesome to me. but again, I don't believe it.

    hell isn't for human-defined "bad things". those things bring you joy, so in hell (again, as I imagined it as a child), you do not get those things.
    So in heaven you'd have these happy thoughts for ETERNITY. No grudges. No immoral thoughts. No BEER!?!? Would be utter hell. Fk like being a zombie.

    Would love to get others opinions of eternal states in heaven and hell. No not well versed. Still working on reading more of the good book.
    You know what would be funny if once these guys got up there to finally get those 70 virgins they find out that they're actually eternal virgins. Go to heaven, that's swell, how you like your living hell?
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited March 2016
    rr165892 said:

    JC29856 said:

    The men who carried out these attacks were politically educated out of the destruction of Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan, the drone bombings in Pakistan and Yemen, the torture of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, and the colonization and occupation of Palestine. To make it shorter, they, mostly identify as Muslims, and they were horrified by the ideological war of the West against what it wrongfully calls “the Muslim world.” This is the main motivator behind the men of ISIS becoming killers. “Your wars, our deaths” became a slogan after the Paris attacks. It might not be totally accurate, and we definitely cannot simplify things, but there is a lot of truth in it.

    Good stuff...

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/23/five-things-you-need-know-about-the-attacks-from-a-peace-activist-in-brussels/

    This is called being an apologist JC.

    Always blaming others and excusing away the why for the sick actions of these Islamic thug piece of shit assholes.

    Lumping every squabble in the fucked up Muslim world together as a precursor.Well done.
    Or we can just say fk it, let's not do a root cause analysis on why humans act the way they do and go full on war. Start draft and get our military going. Hell every young person has to serve. Then we can finish the job that Obummer screwed up after such a greet state of affairs president Bush left us in. Kill em. Let our god sort em out. Damn apologists with all that thinking and wimpy ness.


    Yes over the top for you RR. :)
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  • mickeyrat
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    callen said:

    mickeyrat said:

    callen said:

    Annafalk said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    JC29856 said:

    https://www.statista.com/chart/4093/people-killed-by-terrorist-attacks-in-western-europe-since-1970/

    France auto accident deaths 760
    Belgium auto accident deaths 161

    You're sure working hard to make this event insignificant.
    Perspective. Two people died in car accidents on my road in separate incidences in last week. No terrorists attacks.
    Do you want to diminish terrorist attacks ? What is your point?
    Of course not. Pointing out we need to keep real threat in perspective so we don't over react and make matters worse. Add our fear mongering politicians using these spectacular events to drum up votes and appetite for war and it's spoils.
    You DONT want to diminish terrorist attacks?
    Hell no. So much wrong as a supposedly civilized mammal to be killing each other. It's the patriotism and war mongering and over reaction of hate. Per my earlier thoughts to Anna.

    It's the evil doer drilling for fear thing.
    Ok I read her question differently as in diminish fequency. Its understood now .
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  • Shawshank
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    You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.
  • mickeyrat
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    Shawshank said:

    You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

    Home to NATO.
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  • callen
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    Shawshank said:

    You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

    You went the easy route.

    Hate, fear, abstain from critical thought.

    Feels good to find an enemy and Hate them. USA YSA USA. Those bastards.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    edited March 2016
    Shawshank said:

    You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

    King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium.
    It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.
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  • rr165892
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    Cal,actually a critique of an apologists views do not translate into Rally cry for war.No where have I gone the "nuke em,carpet bomb them route" that's not the answer IMO.

    I am more of the opinion ,for change to take hold,change must take place where this terror breeds,in this case in the down trotted Muslim neighborhoods of Europe.It will take a community that has to date done a very poor job of calling out and reporting these extremists as they are coming up.Do they sympathize? Some yes I'm sure,but if the good,peaceful people living in those areas don't want their streets crawling with "white soldiers" then they best get busy taking care of policing themselves.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited March 2016
    rr165892 said:

    Cal,actually a critique of an apologists views do not translate into Rally cry for war.No where have I gone the "nuke em,carpet bomb them route" that's not the answer IMO.

    I am more of the opinion ,for change to take hold,change must take place where this terror breeds,in this case in the down trotted Muslim neighborhoods of Europe.It will take a community that has to date done a very poor job of calling out and reporting these extremists as they are coming up.Do they sympathize? Some yes I'm sure,but if the good,peaceful people living in those areas don't want their streets crawling with "white soldiers" then they best get busy taking care of policing themselves.

    Reason I added my last comment to let you know little tongue on cheek with a little embellishment for your entertainment.

    Sure Muslims in these poor neighborhoods sympathize. If you happen to have born Muslim you'd be pissed RR. We're just so fortunate.

    And not apologizing for terrorists actions. They are scum. And all those that hide them or help them lock em up for life. But what can we do? Yes arrest incarcerate. Use our intelligence and tools. Catch these fkers. But get our soldiers out of Middle East and let the oil go. We have plenty and can use dollars as leverage. As we are doing in Cuba and Iran. There are better ways. We can rise above. Oh shit that sounds religious.
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