Brussels Belgium attacks.

HughFreakingDillon

Shawshank said:

You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

reasons and excuses are very different things. if you know anything about conflict, the way to be the victor is to understand your opponent. no one here is a fucking "apologist". that is just so lazy it's laughable.

the reason people think the rise of this current incarnation of terrorism is a direct result of transgressions by the US and its allies is because the timelines add up. and so the atrocities the US has perpetuated on that region for over a decade now.

islam has a serious problem with violence? really? if it did, with over a billion muslims in the world right now, we'd all have been blown to bits long ago.

Annafalk

PJ_Soul said:

Shawshank said:

You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium.
It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.

Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?

PJfanwillneverleave1

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Shawshank said:

You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium.
It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.

Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?

Apparently, while the root cause people figure this shit out.

callen

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Shawshank said:

You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium.
It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.

Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?

Apparently, while the root cause people figure this shit out.

Oh it's figured out already. Just many can't see how they are being fooled due to hate vision. Trying to expand thought process. Though the animalistic fight mode js over bearing instinct.

PJfanwillneverleave1

callen said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Shawshank said:

You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium.
It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.

Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?

Apparently, while the root cause people figure this shit out.

Oh it's figured out already. Just many can't see how they are being fooled due to hate vision. Trying to expand thought process. Though the animalistic fight mode js over bearing instinct.

Follow the life path down of a terrorist and you will find one thing for certain. The day that person was taught to hate a particular cause and be willing to give their life to that hate.

blueandwhite

It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.

polaris_x

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Shawshank said:

You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

King Leopold II, the Belgian Congo, Rwanda, NATO. Sounds like you know nothing about Belgium.
It is not actually smart to ignore history. It is what shapes nations, cultures, beliefs. It is important to understand this and learn from it.

Is there any nation with a spotless past? Should innocent civilians bare the costs of things occurring hundreds of years ago?

not 100 years ago ... like last week or the last month or tomorrow ...

until people realize what western influence in the middle east has caused - we'll continue to be in this perpetual cycle ...

just realize that however many innocent civilians you want to total in these "terrorist" attacks - they are at least tenfold in places like Iraq and Afghanistan now ... every day is a terrorist attack in these places ...

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2016/02/18/us-airstrikes-afghanistan-killing-civilians-greatest-rate-seven-years-new-figures-show/

callen

blueandwhite said:

It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.

Add clapping emojy thing here.

HughFreakingDillon

callen said:

blueandwhite said:

It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.

Add clapping emojy thing here.

motion seconded.

PJfanwillneverleave1

blueandwhite said:

It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.

It's not yet because it's over "there".
Come on, what will you be saying when the next thread on AMT reads "(insert USA city here) rocked by 3 bombers, mass casualties ISIS claims it.
How many more incidents like these will it take to make people open their eyes and say wow we have a major problem here.
Sitting back and watching the news about others getting blown to bits in the name of wahochocolate bar and not saying there is a problem is not respecting the victims.

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

benjs said:

Gern Blansten said:

callen said:

muskydan said:

g under p said:

callen said:

This will give Trump some material.

I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.

I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.

Peace

And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.

Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.

And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.

Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.

Agreed...

Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?

God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.

There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!

not intervening = not giving a shit

Yup. God must be a real asshat. He either causes this shit, or lets it happen. So if "he" exists, he should be ashamed of himself.

It's comical the arguments you get from bible thumpers about such an assertion: free will and choice has been given to us.

You'd think that if we were God's creation... he'd have a bit more of an investment in us than what he displays. I'm not saying completely 'hands on' like Mark Cuban... but like maybe an appearance or two... or maybe even a miracle or something people could re-establish their faith with.

He just sits there and watches everyone? Boring.

* And if he's sitting there watching everyone... when does he find time to chill out with all the souls in Heaven?

callen said:

Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no.
J Jeffries

I've always wondered what happens in heaven given the following scenario:

Let's say you and your wife have what she considers a trusting relationship. On the side you are getting it on with some other babe and you are telling the babe that your plan is to leave your wife.

You die in an auto accident. Maybe on the way home to see your wife, maybe on the way to see the babe....detail doesn't matter at this point.

Fast forward 30 years to when both babe and wife die and join you in heaven.

1. Is there a jealousy triangle?
2. If wife finds you hanging with babe in heaven....what happens? Is there spousal abuse in heaven?

I'm curious how the bible reconciles this situation.

callen

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

benjs said:

Gern Blansten said:

callen said:

muskydan said:

g under p said:

callen said:

This will give Trump some material.

I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.

I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.

Peace

And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.

Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.

And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.

Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.

Agreed...

Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?

God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.

There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!

not intervening = not giving a shit

Yup. God must be a real asshat. He either causes this shit, or lets it happen. So if "he" exists, he should be ashamed of himself.

It's comical the arguments you get from bible thumpers about such an assertion: free will and choice has been given to us.

You'd think that if we were God's creation... he'd have a bit more of an investment in us than what he displays. I'm not saying completely 'hands on' like Mark Cuban... but like maybe an appearance or two... or maybe even a miracle or something people could re-establish their faith with.

He just sits there and watches everyone? Boring.

* And if he's sitting there watching everyone... when does he find time to chill out with all the souls in Heaven?

callen said:

Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no.
J Jeffries

I've always wondered what happens in heaven given the following scenario:

Let's say you and your wife have what she considers a trusting relationship. On the side you are getting it on with some other babe and you are telling the babe that your plan is to leave your wife.

You die in an auto accident. Maybe on the way home to see your wife, maybe on the way to see the babe....detail doesn't matter at this point.

Fast forward 30 years to when both babe and wife die and join you in heaven.

1. Is there a jealousy triangle?
2. If wife finds you hanging with babe in heaven....what happens? Is there spousal abuse in heaven?

I'm curious how the bible reconciles this situation.

Your going to hell along with your GF. Well if she knew you were married. Hmmmmm but what if she didn't and you went to hell and they went to heaven. Well ..........wait hell would end up like being in heaven as they'd be dookin it out in heaven. You would miss all that drama. And you'd get the sex drugs alcohol and rock n roll in hell.

Gern Blansten

callen said:

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

jeffbr said:

Gern Blansten said:

benjs said:

Gern Blansten said:

callen said:

muskydan said:

g under p said:

callen said:

This will give Trump some material.

I'm sure he will have something Provacative to say. It's no wonder The Donald doesn't have to spend much money on political ads....we the people keep him in the news. There's at least 5 threads on this board with his name in it.

I've been through that metro system in Brussels on my way to a festival in Werchter. I hope the Belgium people will recover from this attack.

Peace

And yet some of you geniuses mention his name again as these horrid terrorist events are unfolding, un-fucken-real. God bless the victims and families of those lost by another ISLAMIC TERRORIST attack.

Okay okay okay one thing is very clear, god did not bless the victims. He allowed them to be torn to bits, maimed and mentally fucked.

And yes Trump comes up because the terrorists harbor same hate that draws humans to trump. Trump will now use this to keep the cycle going.

Finally it's religious terrorism not Muslim terrorism. Yeah same as the Christians wanting to bomb shit out of Muslims. Same exact mentality. Look in the mirror. You are them.

Agreed...

Did anyone suggest patrolling Christian neighborhoods when McVeigh blew up the building in OK City?

God either doesn't give a shit that people get blown up or he doesn't exist. Pick one.

There's also the third option that a god doesn't intervene. Omniscience does not necessitate interventionism. Though maybe those were a few problems with Bush: he loved his god, thought himself omniscient and made in his god's image, and therefore was in favour of interventionism!

not intervening = not giving a shit

Yup. God must be a real asshat. He either causes this shit, or lets it happen. So if "he" exists, he should be ashamed of himself.

It's comical the arguments you get from bible thumpers about such an assertion: free will and choice has been given to us.

You'd think that if we were God's creation... he'd have a bit more of an investment in us than what he displays. I'm not saying completely 'hands on' like Mark Cuban... but like maybe an appearance or two... or maybe even a miracle or something people could re-establish their faith with.

He just sits there and watches everyone? Boring.

* And if he's sitting there watching everyone... when does he find time to chill out with all the souls in Heaven?

callen said:

Steeling this material mostly. but imagine living eternally. Even in heaven, torturous. There are relatives I don't want to see again. And going to hell to be with the devil? Well you're one of his, he wont torture you and he'll have all the hookers and blow. After living 2000 years you will need drugs and alcohol. And rock n roll. Think god will let you listen to PJ in heaven? Hell no.
J Jeffries

I've always wondered what happens in heaven given the following scenario:

Let's say you and your wife have what she considers a trusting relationship. On the side you are getting it on with some other babe and you are telling the babe that your plan is to leave your wife.

You die in an auto accident. Maybe on the way home to see your wife, maybe on the way to see the babe....detail doesn't matter at this point.

Fast forward 30 years to when both babe and wife die and join you in heaven.

1. Is there a jealousy triangle?
2. If wife finds you hanging with babe in heaven....what happens? Is there spousal abuse in heaven?

I'm curious how the bible reconciles this situation.

Your going to hell along with your GF. Well if she knew you were married. Hmmmmm but what if she didn't and you went to hell and they went to heaven. Well ..........wait hell would end up like being in heaven as they'd be dookin it out in heaven. You would miss all that drama. And you'd get the sex drugs alcohol and rock n roll in hell.

yeah if you went to hell then your wife would show up in heaven and wonder where you were....not quite heaven from her perspective right?

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

Shawshank said:

You people wanting to blame this on past are utterly lost. There is no excuse for any of this...none! What the hell did the people of Belgium do? The country hardly has a reputation for being an invading, murderous, empire of any sort. Blaming past events is essentially your ignorance of the fact that Islam has a serious problem with violence, and that has been shown over and over and over and over and over again.

Home to NATO.

and brussels sprouts. people have historically hated those things.

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:

blueandwhite said:

It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.

Add clapping emojy thing here.

motion seconded.

here here!

it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.

someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.

does anyone see the faulty logic there?

gimmesometruth27

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

what is the solution to stopping these attacks?

I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now.
We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.

Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.

edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.

advocating murder on a pearl jam forum. nice.

sounds like something one of them turrists would say.

rr165892

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:

blueandwhite said:

It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.

Add clapping emojy thing here.

motion seconded.

here here!

it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.

someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.

does anyone see the faulty logic there?

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.

PJfanwillneverleave1

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

what is the solution to stopping these attacks?

I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now.
We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.

Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.

edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.

advocating murder on a pearl jam forum. nice.

sounds like something one of them turrists would say.

cmon, really?

gimmesometruth27

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

for all the "we need to do something about the terrorists" folk on here, serious question:

what is the solution to stopping these attacks?

I don't know the immediate solution but for now a reactionary stance is all we can be in for now.
We all know there will be another incident coming so in the meantime we need to react to this recent one with force and one thing in mind - obliterate all people who share the same ideology as the ones who did this.

Doesn't matter theories on why certain groups exist - it has reached the point where the makers can no longer be controlled. We are watching each other get killed but no one wants to war these thugs out.

edit - Of course you could elect trump and see what happens.

advocating murder on a pearl jam forum. nice.

sounds like something one of them turrists would say.

cmon, really?

yep.

your words.

gimmesometruth27

rr165892 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:

blueandwhite said:

It amazes me that the United States can and does spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex to fight these terrorists yet they continue sit on their hands when it comes to gun violence. All things told, terrorism isn't really a big issue in North America yet we always hear about it and how the world needs to act. If the US put all of that money and effort into solving its own problems instead of intervening in the affairs of foreign states you would think that it would be an infinitely better nation for it.

Here's a simple idea when it comes to terrorism; respect the victims; condemn the terrorists and recognize that the overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't terrorists or killers. That's it. Spending billions bombing the snot out of the Middle East isn't going to do anything for you unless you're an executive for an weapons manufacturer. It's simply money that would be better spent elsewhere.

Add clapping emojy thing here.

motion seconded.

here here!

it is funny that we feel the need to get involved in terrorism half a world away. we are told how big of a problem it is and whatnot. i get criticized all the time for saying isis is not our problem and we need to stay out of it.

someone shoots 20 people here in the us and we are told to shut up because it is all part of living in america.

does anyone see the faulty logic there?

Yes.they are two different(but horrible) issues.
And Americans were directly targeted in that attack so it IS our issue.

so go fight.

you can't want smaller government and less spending AND be world police at the same time.