Angered over Beyonces super bowl song choice?

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  • I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
  • I wonder why there was no protest/outrage before or during the performance?

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,995
    rgambs said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    I hate this attitude that the superball and sports are some sacred, pure escape that should be above politics...
    Bullshit!
    It's lowbrow mindless entertainment for the ignorant masses and I say people have it backwards, don't sully serious issues by lowering them to the level of sports.
    I agree.
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  • ehbacon
    ehbacon Posts: 1,972

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
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  • rgambs said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    I hate this attitude that the superball and sports are some sacred, pure escape that should be above politics...
    Bullshit!
    It's lowbrow mindless entertainment for the ignorant masses and I say people have it backwards, don't sully serious issues by lowering them to the level of sports.
    So everything should have a political message? There are all cultures watching sports, people of all walks of life watch sports and for the most part get along. Why should everything have to be so serious?
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  • Who Princess
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    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.

    I seriously don't think anyone was upset about her performance until people like Rudy Guiliani told them to be. I tend to be pretty good at making out lyrics but I didn't know what she was singing about. I didn't make any connection from the X formation to Malcom X--it just made me think, woah, why do musical performances have to be so choreographed, doesn't anybody just get up and sing.

    If you wanted whites represented, well, there was Coldplay for ya, with a bunch of dancing flowers and rainbow lights. It was so hippie I was expecting them to play In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.

    And I enjoyed Bruno Mars. How can you not like a song like Uptown Funk?

    Slow news week if people can get that worked up about a Super Bowl halftime show.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.

    I seriously don't think anyone was upset about her performance until people like Rudy Guiliani told them to be. I tend to be pretty good at making out lyrics but I didn't know what she was singing about. I didn't make any connection from the X formation to Malcom X--it just made me think, woah, why do musical performances have to be so choreographed, doesn't anybody just get up and sing.

    If you wanted whites represented, well, there was Coldplay for ya, with a bunch of dancing flowers and rainbow lights. It was so hippie I was expecting them to play In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.

    And I enjoyed Bruno Mars. How can you not like a song like Uptown Funk?

    Slow news week if people can get that worked up about a Super Bowl halftime show.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,995
    edited February 2016
    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • ehbacon
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    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
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  • PJ_Soul
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    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
    I didn't even realize that you were saying you minded any part of it.
    I understand your point about the Black Panthers... although I can't bring myself to have an issue with that. I do not support violence - MLK was right - but at the same time I completely 100% understand why they felt their tactics were necessary and justified, and completely understand why black people might admire their legacy as a group that fought for civil rights, so I just don't find the Black Panthers offensive.
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  • Who Princess
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    rgambs said:

    And I enjoyed Bruno Mars. How can you not like a song like Uptown Funk?

    Hahaha it's not hard!
    :lol:
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  • ehbacon
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    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
    I didn't even realize that you were saying you minded any part of it.
    I understand your point about the Black Panthers... although I can't bring myself to have an issue with that. I do not support violence - MLK was right - but at the same time I completely 100% understand why they felt their tactics were necessary and justified, and completely understand why black people might admire their legacy as a group that fought for civil rights, so I just don't find the Black Panthers offensive.
    "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs"

    "We want all Black men to be exempt from military service."

    "We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails."


    don't get me wrong, they had a lot of good things in their party, but they also had some extremist goals and extremist ways of accomplishing them.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
    I didn't even realize that you were saying you minded any part of it.
    I understand your point about the Black Panthers... although I can't bring myself to have an issue with that. I do not support violence - MLK was right - but at the same time I completely 100% understand why they felt their tactics were necessary and justified, and completely understand why black people might admire their legacy as a group that fought for civil rights, so I just don't find the Black Panthers offensive.
    "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs"

    "We want all Black men to be exempt from military service."

    "We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails."


    don't get me wrong, they had a lot of good things in their party, but they also had some extremist goals and extremist ways of accomplishing them.
    Not extreme at all compared to getting dogs and firehoses turned on you for daring to vote or assemble. Not extreme at all compared to getting lynched or dragged behind a vehicle for daring to love a white woman, and the local sherrif not bothering to investigate.

    For all their "militarism" they haven't done 1/100 of the terror perpetrated on them.
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  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    And the FBI used some extremist methods to undermine and eradicate them as an organization.
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  • lolobugg
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    PJ_Soul said:

    I am surprised anyone still cares about the halftime show in any serious kind of way. To be totally honest, I'm at the point where I want it to suck. The more it sucks the better. In fact, I don't just want it to suck. I want it to be an unmitigated disaster, lol. Or hugely scandalous for some reason. It's just fun that way! I can see awesome performances all the time - they happen every day of the year just about - but the opportunity for a truly heinous, piece of shit Superbowl halftime show riddled with mistakes and shit to make fun of only comes once a year! =)

    It has already been a unmitigated disaster. Remember the Black Eyed Peas?

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  • lolobugg
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    rgambs said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
    I didn't even realize that you were saying you minded any part of it.
    I understand your point about the Black Panthers... although I can't bring myself to have an issue with that. I do not support violence - MLK was right - but at the same time I completely 100% understand why they felt their tactics were necessary and justified, and completely understand why black people might admire their legacy as a group that fought for civil rights, so I just don't find the Black Panthers offensive.
    "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs"

    "We want all Black men to be exempt from military service."

    "We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails."


    don't get me wrong, they had a lot of good things in their party, but they also had some extremist goals and extremist ways of accomplishing them.
    Not extreme at all compared to getting dogs and firehoses turned on you for daring to vote or assemble. Not extreme at all compared to getting lynched or dragged behind a vehicle for daring to love a white woman, and the local sherrif not bothering to investigate.

    For all their "militarism" they haven't done 1/100 of the terror perpetrated on them.
    An example of ignorance meeting ignorance. A very dark time in America.

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  • ehbacon
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    rgambs said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
    I didn't even realize that you were saying you minded any part of it.
    I understand your point about the Black Panthers... although I can't bring myself to have an issue with that. I do not support violence - MLK was right - but at the same time I completely 100% understand why they felt their tactics were necessary and justified, and completely understand why black people might admire their legacy as a group that fought for civil rights, so I just don't find the Black Panthers offensive.
    "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs"

    "We want all Black men to be exempt from military service."

    "We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails."


    don't get me wrong, they had a lot of good things in their party, but they also had some extremist goals and extremist ways of accomplishing them.
    Not extreme at all compared to getting dogs and firehoses turned on you for daring to vote or assemble. Not extreme at all compared to getting lynched or dragged behind a vehicle for daring to love a white woman, and the local sherrif not bothering to investigate.

    For all their "militarism" they haven't done 1/100 of the terror perpetrated on them.
    Getting firehosed and dogs unleashed on you opened a lot more eyes than retaliation. The civil rights movement went farther than ever while they were doing this, if it continued and nothing was done about it, we would've seen the white population willing to fight a war for the civil rights cause. The only reason the Black Panthers got anything done was because MLK told the president that action needed to happen or there is going to be a lot of violence.
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  • lolobugg
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    ehbacon said:

    rgambs said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
    I didn't even realize that you were saying you minded any part of it.
    I understand your point about the Black Panthers... although I can't bring myself to have an issue with that. I do not support violence - MLK was right - but at the same time I completely 100% understand why they felt their tactics were necessary and justified, and completely understand why black people might admire their legacy as a group that fought for civil rights, so I just don't find the Black Panthers offensive.
    "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs"

    "We want all Black men to be exempt from military service."

    "We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails."


    don't get me wrong, they had a lot of good things in their party, but they also had some extremist goals and extremist ways of accomplishing them.
    Not extreme at all compared to getting dogs and firehoses turned on you for daring to vote or assemble. Not extreme at all compared to getting lynched or dragged behind a vehicle for daring to love a white woman, and the local sherrif not bothering to investigate.

    For all their "militarism" they haven't done 1/100 of the terror perpetrated on them.
    Getting firehosed and dogs unleashed on you opened a lot more eyes than retaliation. The civil rights movement went farther than ever while they were doing this, if it continued and nothing was done about it, we would've seen the white population willing to fight a war for the civil rights cause. The only reason the Black Panthers got anything done was because MLK told the president that action needed to happen or there is going to be a lot of violence.
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  • ehbacon
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    lolobugg said:

    ehbacon said:

    rgambs said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    PJ_Soul said:



    ehbacon said:

    I feel there is a double standard put in place. If a white artist came out with all white dancers there would be outrage from black leaders. The Superbowl and all sports for that matter should be used as an escape. Why does everything have to be politicized? I know there are problems, but can we have some time when we can all just enjoy something together?

    For the record... The performance by ALL parties participating were NOT political!

    Beyonces video for Formation was the catalyst for the protest and frustration.

    My original post is focused on the comments of the outrage of the video and the following protests of the song being performed at the Super Bowl and NOT the performance itself.
    Beyonces performance was definitely political. All the dancers dressed like Black Panthers, dancing in an X formation. That's about as direct of a message as possible :tongue:
    IMO it being political was the only good thing about it. I would like it if more artists made political statements.
    I don't mind that it was political at all, I just don't like that she chose the Black Panthers over all the non militant civil rights groups.
    I didn't even realize that you were saying you minded any part of it.
    I understand your point about the Black Panthers... although I can't bring myself to have an issue with that. I do not support violence - MLK was right - but at the same time I completely 100% understand why they felt their tactics were necessary and justified, and completely understand why black people might admire their legacy as a group that fought for civil rights, so I just don't find the Black Panthers offensive.
    "They take one of ours, we take two of theirs"

    "We want all Black men to be exempt from military service."

    "We want freedom for all Black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails."


    don't get me wrong, they had a lot of good things in their party, but they also had some extremist goals and extremist ways of accomplishing them.
    Not extreme at all compared to getting dogs and firehoses turned on you for daring to vote or assemble. Not extreme at all compared to getting lynched or dragged behind a vehicle for daring to love a white woman, and the local sherrif not bothering to investigate.

    For all their "militarism" they haven't done 1/100 of the terror perpetrated on them.
    Getting firehosed and dogs unleashed on you opened a lot more eyes than retaliation. The civil rights movement went farther than ever while they were doing this, if it continued and nothing was done about it, we would've seen the white population willing to fight a war for the civil rights cause. The only reason the Black Panthers got anything done was because MLK told the president that action needed to happen or there is going to be a lot of violence.
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  • lolobugg
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    glad that they got it right in the history books. make sure that they keep it that way.

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    2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA

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    2006- Cincinnati, OH

    2008- Columbia, SC

    2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2

    2010- Bristow, VA

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    2014- Cincinnati, OH

    2015- New York, NY

    2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA

    2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY

    2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2

    2020- Nashville, TN 

    2022- Smashville 

    2023- Austin, TX x2

    2024- Baltimore