Why is it that change so often is mostly supported by the young?

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,899
    edited February 2016
    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Here is part of it: Younger people love to spend other peoples' money.

    Those are empty words that mean nothing. It would be just as accurate to say that older people are niggardly.
    Agreed. That was a totally meaningless, bullshit statement. Reducing social services and spending on infrastructure, education, etc. to "spending other peoples' money", and then applying that to only young people doesn't make much sense. And how young are you talking?? You seem to be only thinking about teenagers or something.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    edited February 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Here is part of it: Younger people love to spend other peoples' money.

    Those are empty words that mean nothing. It would be just as accurate to say that older people are niggardly.
    Agreed. That was a totally meaningless, bullshit statement. Reducing social services and spending on infrastructure, education, etc. to "spending other peoples' money", and then applying that to only young people doesn't make much sense. And how young are you talking?? You seem to be only thinking about teenagers or something.
    This board is bizzaro world sometimes. You make a blanket statement that baby boomers are selfish and that is perfectly fine. But if I make a statement that young people without money might be more prone to support government programs that increase taxes that they aren't paying that is a bullshit statement. I just provided a current and clear example where young people are supporting Bernie and his free college agenda. It isn't free though. Older people who pay taxes are paying for it. So perhaps older people might not like this "change".

    I look forward to your reply where you completely disagree with what I've said. Maybe you could just save us all a lot of time and be the first person to reply to every question with the one and only correct answer.
    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,899
    edited February 2016
    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Here is part of it: Younger people love to spend other peoples' money.

    Those are empty words that mean nothing. It would be just as accurate to say that older people are niggardly.
    Agreed. That was a totally meaningless, bullshit statement. Reducing social services and spending on infrastructure, education, etc. to "spending other peoples' money", and then applying that to only young people doesn't make much sense. And how young are you talking?? You seem to be only thinking about teenagers or something.
    This board is bizzaro world sometimes. You make a blanket statement that baby boomers are selfish and that is perfectly fine. But if I make a statement that young people without money might be more prone to support government programs that increase taxes that they aren't paying that is a bullshit statement. I just provided a current and clear example where young people are supporting Bernie and his free college agenda. It isn't free though. Older people who pay taxes are paying for it. So perhaps older people might not like this "change".

    I look forward to your reply where you completely disagree with what I've said. Maybe you could just save us all a lot of time and be the first person to reply to every question with the one and only correct answer.
    I specifically pointed out that I was generalizing. Also, I gave my comment context, and you didn't (in the initial post). Also, the comments aren't particularly comparable. "Spending other peoples' money" is an incredibly loaded statement. And BTW, PEOPLE with no money tend to act the same way. Not young people with no money. So yeah, I just disagree with your basic premise.
    No idea wtf your last comment is supposed to mean. The one and only correct answer? I don't know why you said that.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    When is it OK or not to generalize?

    And maybe the types of changes make a difference.

    I'm guessing perception too.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,899
    I figure it's always okay to generalize, just like it's always okay for anyone to say whatever they want, be it independently, in response to generalizing, or whatever.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,854
    bootlegger10 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Here is part of it: Younger people love to spend other peoples' money.

    in what way?
    Certainly issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc... don't require taxpayer money to be legal or not (unless we are talking about government subsidized health care including abortion).

    An example: What young person isn't going to be for free college tuition when they are 19 years old and a bunch of 45 year olds are paying for it through their taxes? They aren't paying taxes currently and probably won't be making enough money for several years out of college where they would even be impacted by tax increases.

    When they are earning $100,000 a year and $30,000 of it is going to fed/state income taxes, medicare and FICA taxes then they may care a little more about what their tax dollars are being spent on and make sure we are funding those who truly deserve it.
    so are these 19 year olds going to pay into the system when they are older to take care of the younger generation? or are they just going to steal your money and pull up the ladder behind them, "because fuck everyone but me"?

    this is a tiresome argument. you are paying for a 19 year old's college. they will pay for the next person's college and so on. it just happens that you and i got fucked by our selfish baby boomer ancestors.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,854
    bootlegger10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Here is part of it: Younger people love to spend other peoples' money.

    Those are empty words that mean nothing. It would be just as accurate to say that older people are niggardly.
    Agreed. That was a totally meaningless, bullshit statement. Reducing social services and spending on infrastructure, education, etc. to "spending other peoples' money", and then applying that to only young people doesn't make much sense. And how young are you talking?? You seem to be only thinking about teenagers or something.
    This board is bizzaro world sometimes. You make a blanket statement that baby boomers are selfish and that is perfectly fine. But if I make a statement that young people without money might be more prone to support government programs that increase taxes that they aren't paying that is a bullshit statement. I just provided a current and clear example where young people are supporting Bernie and his free college agenda. It isn't free though. Older people who pay taxes are paying for it. So perhaps older people might not like this "change".

    I look forward to your reply where you completely disagree with what I've said. Maybe you could just save us all a lot of time and be the first person to reply to every question with the one and only correct answer.
    except the underlined portion is not what you said.

    you said:

    "Here is part of it: Younger people love to spend other peoples' money.

    Post edited by bootlegger10 at 1:29PM"

    have you considered that people are supporting bernie because of other issues besides the "debt free school at a public college for everyone that has the ambition to go"?

    interesting question. do old people use more of our resources through medicare, social security, etc, or do the young use more?
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,960
    edited February 2016
    Of course, I assume wealth or lack thereof has to have something to do with it. I.e. the only conservatives I know are the ones who are rich or extremely comfortable for some other reason (i.e. baby boomers who finished paying off their $25K houses back in the 80s).
    Are you joking with what you inserted parenthetically?


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,776
    Regarding the "free" education thing that bothers some perhaps consider this: America has become "dumbed down" (only someone incredibly naive or dumb would disagree with this). Helping people become better education and raising the intelligence of a people is a great investment in the future. I don't see how that can be a problem, especially in light of how stupid America has become.
    usamamasan1 said:

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Man...this fiscal conservative and her husband are fairly comfortable because we've worked hard for it. And still paying off our mortgage. And have kick-ass equity!

    Like I said, perception.

    As to education - some of our schools have failed children, but so too (perhaps moreso) their parents and by proxy what is encouraged, given, ignored, sometimes spoiled and misguided.

    I grew up in a frugal household and attended one semester of community college. My guy too and with one parent and his own shit. I consider ourselves educated, in pretty awesome ways. Great foundations and learning along the way.

    Living within our means, occasionally splurging. A nice, stable life built, continuing to build.

    Some change I'm cool with, others not. Has nothing to do with open-mindedness for me.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,854
    brianlux said:

    Regarding the "free" education thing that bothers some perhaps consider this: America has become "dumbed down" (only someone incredibly naive or dumb would disagree with this). Helping people become better education and raising the intelligence of a people is a great investment in the future. I don't see how that can be a problem, especially in light of how stupid America has become.

    usamamasan1 said:

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    I have always been conservative. Conservation is a great thing!

    but how will them taking my money for themselves investing in them benefit MEEEEE in the future??? these damn takers....

    ;)
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2016
    people are bothered by free education, really? This lovely country of ours is ranked 28th in the world for the best education and then partner that with crazy cost increases. … But it's not affecting us older folks so let's complain about it.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-08-18/college-tuition-costs-soar-chart-of-the-day
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    hedonist said:

    Man...this fiscal conservative and her husband are fairly comfortable because we've worked hard for it. And still paying off our mortgage. And have kick-ass equity!

    Like I said, perception.

    As to education - some of our schools have failed children, but so too (perhaps moreso) their parents and by proxy what is encouraged, given, ignored, sometimes spoiled and misguided.

    I grew up in a frugal household and attended one semester of community college. My guy too and with one parent and his own shit. I consider ourselves educated, in pretty awesome ways. Great foundations and learning along the way.

    Living within our means, occasionally splurging. A nice, stable life built, continuing to build.

    Some change I'm cool with, others not. Has nothing to do with open-mindedness for me.

    Hedo,You so get it .cheers
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Change is supported by the youngins because we were just like them once.
    Out with the dinosaurs and in with the new.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,776
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Change is supported by the youngins because we were just like them once.
    Out with the dinosaurs and in with the new.

    "were" (as in past tense) just like them?

    Are! :sunglasses:
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,776
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    You're never too old to be rebellious.
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  • brianlux
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    You're never too old to try to make a difference.
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  • brianlux
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    You're never too old to stir up some shit.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Gloria Steinham said this on Bill Maher. Men become more conservative as they age due to increasing power; women radicalize and become less complacent as they age due to decreasing power.

  • brianlux
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    You're never to old to become more radicalized AND beautiful.
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