love this song...getaway and LB too. they are my go to songs off LB. love to hear all three regardless or where/when.
man having the ability to see PJ multiple times on a tour must be nice....
It is nice brah... I hate to burst your bubble, but PJ is still around after 25 years because of the die hards that travel and see them. Let's call a spade a spade. I can't stand the argument about "well what about the people who are seeing them the first time"
PJ is around because they continue to play music to the ears of millions young or old. The band dictates what they play, plus a few requests here and there. There are first timers at every concert. Respect.
I would like to hear Can't Keep as an opener along with Wash or Of the Girl as second choices
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Love the song and love it as an opener. However since it has existed I've gotten it at 5 out of my 7 shows since. It shouldn't be shelved,but maybe just used less frequently. 29 shows in I still have yet to see Release as an opener. And no if it is played second it's not the opener.
love this song...getaway and LB too. they are my go to songs off LB. love to hear all three regardless or where/when.
man having the ability to see PJ multiple times on a tour must be nice....
It is nice brah... I hate to burst your bubble, but PJ is still around after 25 years because of the die hards that travel and see them. Let's call a spade a spade. I can't stand the argument about "well what about the people who are seeing them the first time"
PJ is around because they continue to play music to the ears of millions young or old. The band dictates what they play, plus a few requests here and there. There are first timers at every concert. Respect.
Agreed.... There are newbies at every show. But I really don't understand your point! Let's say PJ opened up with "Release" at every show and played the same set list every night. You really think they would be where they are 25 years later? Not a chance! That's my whole point by starting this thread.
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It s usually played in the second set. Sometimes it ends the show and then it s known as the closing song for that show. I ve been to well over 500 live shows and I ve never identified the second to last song as the pre closer.
You haven't because no one does. The "pre closer" comment was a joke.
love this song...getaway and LB too. they are my go to songs off LB. love to hear all three regardless or where/when.
man having the ability to see PJ multiple times on a tour must be nice....
It is nice brah... I hate to burst your bubble, but PJ is still around after 25 years because of the die hards that travel and see them. Let's call a spade a spade. I can't stand the argument about "well what about the people who are seeing them the first time"
as Pend is fairly new, and you have the ability to see PJ multiple times throughout a tour, do you cringe with the popular ones from 10, NC, Yield, etc? also, do you think the die hard population, imo low numbers compared to overall concert seating (could be wrong of course), can now sell out arenas around the world? earlier days smaller venues i say yes...
Just curious on how many die-hards are out there that can do this ever year.... cheers
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Really love everyone's take on this. Thanks for participating and giving me your input on this. I don't come around here much, so it's nice to see different perspectives.
Ok maybe I shouldn't of used the word "shelved". They obviously know what their doing and who am I to tell them what to do? But with that being said, I'm not a fan of hearing the same song multiple times in a 2 or 3 night run. Especially the opener. With all the songs that are on the table, there is so many to choose from! Pendulum is a song right? So I don't really buy the idea of a pre-opener song. That makes no sense to me. I love the anticipation of when the lights go off and your all fired up, and your wondering what's coming. I love that feeling. But lately, it's like I already know what's coming and it kinda sucks. No disrespect...this is just how I feel. I saw over 30 shows from 98-2006 and that anticipation and feeling of what's coming was bliss.
Again...I love the feedback and respect everyone's opinion. It's what makes PJ fans so awesome.
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I know what you're saying, and I think you hit the nail on the head regarding the term 'shelve'. No one here is saying stop playing the tune, maybe just give it a break as an opener.
Pendulum took away the novelty of guessing what song they would open with. I love the song & love the atmosphere they created by opening with it, but in all honesty, I was pumped in Denver '14 when I heard the first few notes of Release. I was hoping for something different as my prior 3 shows had all opened w/ Pendulum. If they played Pendulum, I would have been fine with it, but I was also happy to hear something else.
As far as all the noobs are concerned, IMO they should be hoping for Release... I think it's the strongest opener in PJ's arsenal (although HTI is pretty sweet too).
But, this is all subjective, to each his or her own. Whatever PJ decides to play for me this year, I'll be happy with..... Above all else, I'm just psyched to see them again.
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Done with this tune... I'm hitting first two shows here in SoFlo and sure hope they leave this one back in Seattle. I went to three 3 shows in 2013 and they opened all 3 with Pendulum...and back to back nights in Brooklyn was a huge disappointment for me. Here's to a LBC or a Hard to Imagine opener in Fort Lauderdale.
Uh Ya. I said this back in 2013 and got so much shit on here. Sorry, its dumb to open back to back shows with this song. The song itself is great IMO, but please no more openings with it.
I like pendulum a lot, but I do hope it gets mixed in with other openers. Seems they did that a little more with the SA shows.On the other hand, I think it is a song that helps Ed warm up some for the show. I like how they have started with 3-4 slower songs that last few tours.
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Done with this tune... I'm hitting first two shows here in SoFlo and sure hope they leave this one back in Seattle. I went to three 3 shows in 2013 and they opened all 3 with Pendulum...and back to back nights in Brooklyn was a huge disappointment for me. Here's to a LBC or a Hard to Imagine opener in Fort Lauderdale.
I hope they play it opening first two shows and in an unprecedented move they open with it in the encores too.
Pendulum is a great song and I love it. That being said I hope they mix it up more this time. I heard it open at 5 shows in a row in 2013, which was a bit much. There is no such thing as a "pre-opener." The first song played each night is the opener, plain and simple. I really like the idea of hearing it open an encore possibly.
I have been to 50+ with Release only three times. I need more...
I need more Release too. I was just thinking about it and realized that I haven't heard it live in more than 10 years. Despite seeing 17 shows in that span...
I have nothing against Pendulum. But I just wish the band would mix up what it opens and closes with a LOT more in general. They have so many options and are the best at mixing up setlists otherwise, so I don't know why they keep the openers and closers so totally predictable and repetitive.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have nothing against Pendulum. But I just wish the band would mix up what it opens and closes with a LOT more in general. They have so many options and are the best at mixing up setlists otherwise, so I don't know why they keep the openers and closers so totally predictable and repetitive.
The setlist structure has become....well...structured. Open with two or three slow songs (with Pendulum opening way too often). Open the second set with a few slow songs (usually played while seated). I don't get it.
And in 2013, I saw the second Brooklyn show and the second Philly show. The shows were three days apart. They opened each show with Pendulum, Wash, Nothingman, and Lightning Bolt. The same four exact songs...with other setlist similarities. It was kinda shocking.
I have nothing against Pendulum. But I just wish the band would mix up what it opens and closes with a LOT more in general. They have so many options and are the best at mixing up setlists otherwise, so I don't know why they keep the openers and closers so totally predictable and repetitive.
The setlist structure has become....well...structured. Open with two or three slow songs (with Pendulum opening way too often). Open the second set with a few slow songs (usually played while seated). I don't get it.
And in 2013, I saw the second Brooklyn show and the second Philly show. The shows were three days apart. They opened each show with Pendulum, Wash, Nothingman, and Lightning Bolt. The same four exact songs...with other setlist similarities. It was kinda shocking.
Yeah, I don't get it either. They should shake it up more. It's like they're stuck in a rut as far as setlist structure goes. I know it has worked for them, but that doesn't mean it's the only good option.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have nothing against Pendulum. But I just wish the band would mix up what it opens and closes with a LOT more in general. They have so many options and are the best at mixing up setlists otherwise, so I don't know why they keep the openers and closers so totally predictable and repetitive.
The setlist structure has become....well...structured. Open with two or three slow songs (with Pendulum opening way too often). Open the second set with a few slow songs (usually played while seated). I don't get it.
And in 2013, I saw the second Brooklyn show and the second Philly show. The shows were three days apart. They opened each show with Pendulum, Wash, Nothingman, and Lightning Bolt. The same four exact songs...with other setlist similarities. It was kinda shocking.
Both those shows were great but philly 2 did feel almost like a repeat of NYC 2. Close first set, first encore and second encore with all the same songs. Leaving Here and Blood back to back. Four song slow first encore with future days as the fourth and final song. Their were a lot of differences too, but less than usual.
I have nothing against Pendulum. But I just wish the band would mix up what it opens and closes with a LOT more in general. They have so many options and are the best at mixing up setlists otherwise, so I don't know why they keep the openers and closers so totally predictable and repetitive.
The setlist structure has become....well...structured. Open with two or three slow songs (with Pendulum opening way too often). Open the second set with a few slow songs (usually played while seated). I don't get it.
And in 2013, I saw the second Brooklyn show and the second Philly show. The shows were three days apart. They opened each show with Pendulum, Wash, Nothingman, and Lightning Bolt. The same four exact songs...with other setlist similarities. It was kinda shocking.
Yeah, I don't get it either. They should shake it up more. It's like they're stuck in a rut as far as setlist structure goes. I know it has worked for them, but that doesn't mean it's the only good option.
And strangely, despite being to 29 shows, I've never seen many of the "classic" openers like Long Road, Oceans, and Of The Girl. I'm hoping for one of them in Philly this year.
I have nothing against Pendulum. But I just wish the band would mix up what it opens and closes with a LOT more in general. They have so many options and are the best at mixing up setlists otherwise, so I don't know why they keep the openers and closers so totally predictable and repetitive.
The setlist structure has become....well...structured. Open with two or three slow songs (with Pendulum opening way too often). Open the second set with a few slow songs (usually played while seated). I don't get it.
And in 2013, I saw the second Brooklyn show and the second Philly show. The shows were three days apart. They opened each show with Pendulum, Wash, Nothingman, and Lightning Bolt. The same four exact songs...with other setlist similarities. It was kinda shocking.
That start would be amazing and hope to hear Nothingman and Wash in Quebec. That said I am with you with mixing stuff up though I really feel like we have been spoiled with this band. I feel like we expect more and more out of them every time they play.
I feel you guys on these last few comments. It made me think all of a sudden back to ACL 14.... How I went to the show, and then the very next day or the day after they had an orange shirt for sale at the popup shop with the set list on the back. I remember thinking at the time how the set list must have been predetermined and they screen printed the shirts before the show was even done.... Sad to think about, but was that set list not decided upon on the day of the show?
Anyone else wonder if they are really writing set lists like the old days or if they already have a preconceived plan of what's going to happen, give or take a few minor changes?
I have nothing against Pendulum. But I just wish the band would mix up what it opens and closes with a LOT more in general. They have so many options and are the best at mixing up setlists otherwise, so I don't know why they keep the openers and closers so totally predictable and repetitive.
The setlist structure has become....well...structured. Open with two or three slow songs (with Pendulum opening way too often). Open the second set with a few slow songs (usually played while seated). I don't get it.
And in 2013, I saw the second Brooklyn show and the second Philly show. The shows were three days apart. They opened each show with Pendulum, Wash, Nothingman, and Lightning Bolt. The same four exact songs...with other setlist similarities. It was kinda shocking.
Yeah, I don't get it either. They should shake it up more. It's like they're stuck in a rut as far as setlist structure goes. I know it has worked for them, but that doesn't mean it's the only good option.
And strangely, despite being to 29 shows, I've never seen many of the "classic" openers like Long Road, Oceans, and Of The Girl. I'm hoping for one of them in Philly this year.
I got oceans and long road, but not as openers. Of the girl is brilliant IMO. Can't believe how little it's been played.
Like someone said before, the setlists have become very stale. I really miss the 2003 days...anything was possible
I think "very stale" is a major overstatement. Ask the folks who went to Moline, Leeds, Vienna, Detroit...Anything is still possible, if you actually look at the setlists, in some ways they mixed it up more than ever last tour. Suddenly, Black is early in the first set sometimes, whole albums being played in order, first time play for Strangest Tribe, LBC with a new JJF intro and jam, Footsteps getting regular rotation...I could go on, but the setlists are different and they are still changing. If they have a bit of a structure to them (easy open, staples in the middle, intimate second set open etc) I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I think they perform better when they have a loose formula, everyone wants them to mix it up like crazy and open with something like Comatose, but everyone forgets that those setlists had some ups and downs that were hit or miss, and Eddie has to sing night after night for 3 hrs straight. If he needs a few songs to warm his voice up at 50 years old, I think the fans should understand that and roll with it, hell even appreciate it. In 1 week (3 shows) my wife and I heard 71 unique songs... No band does that, none that have 71 songs worth hearing anyways lol.
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The band dictates what they play, plus a few requests here and there.
There are first timers at every concert.
Respect.
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Agreed.... There are newbies at every show. But I really don't understand your point! Let's say PJ opened up with "Release" at every show and played the same set list every night. You really think they would be where they are 25 years later? Not a chance! That's my whole point by starting this thread.
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Just curious on how many die-hards are out there that can do this ever year....
cheers
Pendulum took away the novelty of guessing what song they would open with. I love the song & love the atmosphere they created by opening with it, but in all honesty, I was pumped in Denver '14 when I heard the first few notes of Release. I was hoping for something different as my prior 3 shows had all opened w/ Pendulum. If they played Pendulum, I would have been fine with it, but I was also happy to hear something else.
As far as all the noobs are concerned, IMO they should be hoping for Release... I think it's the strongest opener in PJ's arsenal (although HTI is pretty sweet too).
But, this is all subjective, to each his or her own. Whatever PJ decides to play for me this year, I'll be happy with..... Above all else, I'm just psyched to see them again.
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I have been to 50+ with Release only three times. I need more...
And in 2013, I saw the second Brooklyn show and the second Philly show. The shows were three days apart. They opened each show with Pendulum, Wash, Nothingman, and Lightning Bolt. The same four exact songs...with other setlist similarities. It was kinda shocking.
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Anyone else wonder if they are really writing set lists like the old days or if they already have a preconceived plan of what's going to happen, give or take a few minor changes?
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2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
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If they have a bit of a structure to them (easy open, staples in the middle, intimate second set open etc) I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I think they perform better when they have a loose formula, everyone wants them to mix it up like crazy and open with something like Comatose, but everyone forgets that those setlists had some ups and downs that were hit or miss, and Eddie has to sing night after night for 3 hrs straight. If he needs a few songs to warm his voice up at 50 years old, I think the fans should understand that and roll with it, hell even appreciate it.
In 1 week (3 shows) my wife and I heard 71 unique songs... No band does that, none that have 71 songs worth hearing anyways lol.