Black Lives Matter Protesters Block SF Bay Bridge.

callen · January 2016

and whites telling us how hard they have it.

jeffbr · January 2016

And those so afflicted with white guilt that it is impossible to have a discussion that even tangentially deals with race without hearing about it. My comments were about the nature of the #blacklivesmatter protests, and how they can be counterproductive to actually getting a message across. I've made the same observations in regards to the Occupy movement, as well as the WTO protesters, and other Seattle protests in the past. It is the method I'm focused on, not the skin color, but continue with whatever assumptions might assuage your apparent guilt.

brianlux · January 2016

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

TL170678 said:

callen said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:
Saw thread topic and tried not to enter knowing I'd read about all the inconveniences experienced by the poor white males by those darn coloreds expression their grievances. They should just sit in the corner and suck it up. But I did. Jeese.
And I tried not to enter this thread because I know I'd see stuff like this. Because when you're white, everything is perfect and you can't complain about anything.
Let's see whites complaining bout being inconvenienced and blacks complain of being shot and discriminated against. Yeah same thing.

Poor white people have it sooooo hard.
More whites are killed by cops each year than blacks... C`mon Man
By number or by percentage? Same question for those incarcerated?
By the numbers they commit the most crime

What I thought.

brianlux · January 2016

ldent42 said:

rr165892 said:

brianlux said:

TL170678 said:

callen said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:
Saw thread topic and tried not to enter knowing I'd read about all the inconveniences experienced by the poor white males by those darn coloreds expression their grievances. They should just sit in the corner and suck it up. But I did. Jeese.
And I tried not to enter this thread because I know I'd see stuff like this. Because when you're white, everything is perfect and you can't complain about anything.
Let's see whites complaining bout being inconvenienced and blacks complain of being shot and discriminated against. Yeah same thing.

Poor white people have it sooooo hard.
More whites are killed by cops each year than blacks... C`mon Man
By number or by percentage? Same question for those incarcerated?
By the numbers they commit the most crime
actually by the numbers they are prosecuted the most. that's not the same thing.

Also what I was thinking.

brianlux · January 2016

jeffbr said:
And those so afflicted with white guilt that it is impossible to have a discussion that even tangentially deals with race without hearing about it. My comments were about the nature of the #blacklivesmatter protests, and how they can be counterproductive to actually getting a message across. I've made the same observations in regards to the Occupy movement, as well as the WTO protesters, and other Seattle protests in the past. It is the method I'm focused on, not the skin color, but continue with whatever assumptions might assuage your apparent guilt.

Well said, Jeff.

I'm beginning to wonder how much good any protest does. Taking action is far more effective.

ldent42 · January 2016

jeffbr said:
And those so afflicted with white guilt that it is impossible to have a discussion that even tangentially deals with race without hearing about it. My comments were about the nature of the #blacklivesmatter protests, and how they can be counterproductive to actually getting a message across. I've made the same observations in regards to the Occupy movement, as well as the WTO protesters, and other Seattle protests in the past. It is the method I'm focused on, not the skin color, but continue with whatever assumptions might assuage your apparent guilt.

It's true, once you get those professional protestors involved it gets stupid. The BLM movement did the same thing here but it was a while ago so I don't remember exactly which crossings they shut down.
The BLM and the OWS suffer from similar problems IMHO. They both got a good point, they both should be getting support from the majority of Americans, yet instead they're seen as a nuisance and a joke. They need better leadership and better protest tactics. They need to kick the violent ones out. I mean we live in the age of communication and social media! There's a million better ways to get your points heard.

hedonist · January 2016

jeffbr said:
And those so afflicted with white guilt that it is impossible to have a discussion that even tangentially deals with race without hearing about it. My comments were about the nature of the #blacklivesmatter protests, and how they can be counterproductive to actually getting a message across. I've made the same observations in regards to the Occupy movement, as well as the WTO protesters, and other Seattle protests in the past. It is the method I'm focused on, not the skin color, but continue with whatever assumptions might assuage your apparent guilt.

Bravo to this.

callen · January 2016

I have no guilt. None. Just get human/animal nature. Whites are the dominant troop in the US with real rewards. Very simple. Should I expect humans to treat each other as individuals versus being labeled, no, it goes against our instincts, but good to remind how animalistic we truly are.

Just sad when smart politicians use humans insecurities to get them to vote for then. Donald just keeps going after our most primal survival instincts.

Go against the flow people. Don't succumb to your Insecurities.

callen · January 2016

ldent42 said:

jeffbr said:
And those so afflicted with white guilt that it is impossible to have a discussion that even tangentially deals with race without hearing about it. My comments were about the nature of the #blacklivesmatter protests, and how they can be counterproductive to actually getting a message across. I've made the same observations in regards to the Occupy movement, as well as the WTO protesters, and other Seattle protests in the past. It is the method I'm focused on, not the skin color, but continue with whatever assumptions might assuage your apparent guilt.
It's true, once you get those professional protestors involved it gets stupid. The BLM movement did the same thing here but it was a while ago so I don't remember exactly which crossings they shut down.
The BLM and the OWS suffer from similar problems IMHO. They both got a good point, they both should be getting support from the majority of Americans, yet instead they're seen as a nuisance and a joke. They need better leadership and better protest tactics. They need to kick the violent ones out. I mean we live in the age of communication and social media! There's a million better ways to get your points heard.

Such as??

Nothing's worked so far.

callen · January 2016

We're talking. That's good.

rr165892 · January 2016

Cal define white guilt.What am I feeling guilty for.Working hard,being responsible.caring for other property and well being.I don't feel guilty about any success I have achieved,do you?

ldent42 · January 2016

callen said:

ldent42 said:

jeffbr said:
And those so afflicted with white guilt that it is impossible to have a discussion that even tangentially deals with race without hearing about it. My comments were about the nature of the #blacklivesmatter protests, and how they can be counterproductive to actually getting a message across. I've made the same observations in regards to the Occupy movement, as well as the WTO protesters, and other Seattle protests in the past. It is the method I'm focused on, not the skin color, but continue with whatever assumptions might assuage your apparent guilt.
It's true, once you get those professional protestors involved it gets stupid. The BLM movement did the same thing here but it was a while ago so I don't remember exactly which crossings they shut down.
The BLM and the OWS suffer from similar problems IMHO. They both got a good point, they both should be getting support from the majority of Americans, yet instead they're seen as a nuisance and a joke. They need better leadership and better protest tactics. They need to kick the violent ones out. I mean we live in the age of communication and social media! There's a million better ways to get your points heard.
Such as??

Nothing's worked so far.

such as what? I don't understand.

InHiding80 · January 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdE5bAGIyC4

Youtube and legal streaming don't matter to him. Fuck that greedy purple midget.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2016

^^^
What does that even mean?

TL170678 · January 2016

If you took away black on black shootings in America, we would be 1 of the safest countries. The democratic party encourages it because it helps push their agendas. Chicago and New Orleans have more shootings than some of the scariest 3rd world countries. It`s all gang violence. Yet those black lives do not matter to the protesters, only the handful of criminals that the police put down.
Someone said black people can not be racist. I completely disagree. Most middle class black folks I have conversations with are completely against BLM because it makes them look bad. I used to be very liberal, I still am on some social issues, but I will never vote for them again and I never ever voted for a Republican. I just do not understand why the left want to potentially set this awesome country up for terrorist attacks by bringing in refugees...Look at how fast Sweden is being destroyed, bankrupt, and how much violence has increased by bringing in hundreds of thousands of 20-30 year old males. It`s foreshadowing America in 5-10 years. They are on the brink of a civil war, Germany too, and you can say the same about Belgium and Spain.

brianlux · January 2016

TL170678 said:
If you took away black on black shootings in America, we would be 1 of the safest countries. The democratic party encourages it because it helps push their agendas. Chicago and New Orleans have more shootings than some of the scariest 3rd world countries. It`s all gang violence. Yet those black lives do not matter to the protesters, only the handful of criminals that the police put down.
Someone said black people can not be racist. I completely disagree. Most middle class black folks I have conversations with are completely against BLM because it makes them look bad. I used to be very liberal, I still am on some social issues, but I will never vote for them again and I never ever voted for a Republican. I just do not understand why the left want to potentially set this awesome country up for terrorist attacks by bringing in refugees...Look at how fast Sweden is being destroyed, bankrupt, and how much violence has increased by bringing in hundreds of thousands of 20-30 year old males. It`s foreshadowing America in 5-10 years. They are on the brink of a civil war, Germany too, and you can say the same about Belgium and Spain.

Well, that was contemporary history there in a nutshell, TL.

One at a time:
Sure, you might feel relatively safe if you're a white male. But if you're black or brown or female, maybe not so. Generally, I have to say growing up white, male and in suburbia, I'm lucky that way. I didn't fell lucky though when a complete stranger try to knock me out by hitting me in the back of the head in a well lit gas station off I-80, but most of my life I've been relatively safe. It just depends on who you are and where you are.

Yeah, the dems, boy, what 'cha gonna do with them, huh?

Of course blacks can be racist. If I were black I very well might have a hard time with whites in America in general. You bet. And I'm saying that from the perspective of a white guy that almost got knocked out by a black kid in that gas station. I hated it when that happened but I understand how and why something like that can happen. It's wrong, but it's also inevitable. Hundreds of years of racism and oppression... what do you expect? My heart doesn't bleed for that kid and I don't excuse the act but in my head I get why someone like him might do that. And I guess I do pity him to some degree. For one thing, he didn't knock me out. I'll bet his gang buddies beat the living shit out of him after I sped off.

As for the refugees and all that- what a mess. But it's all connected. It's all inevitable. And it's related to our disconnect from nature, our aggressive behavior as a species, the world's dwindling resources and living space and our over-population. I don't think we can blame the dems and liberals on that.

ldent42 · January 2016

In just gonna chime in real quick with the "liberal education"
People of color cannot be racist by definition.
Anyone and everyone can be prejudiced though. Middle class black people connecting the BLM movement to gang violence in underprivileged areas isn't racist, it's prejudiced. There is a difference. Words matter.

brianlux · January 2016

ldent42 said:
In just gonna chime in real quick with the "liberal education"
People of color cannot be racist by definition.
Anyone and everyone can be prejudiced though. Middle class black people connecting the BLM movement to gang violence in underprivileged areas isn't racist, it's prejudiced. There is a difference. Words matter.

Got me thinking there Ident. Here's what I found:

"If one defines racism as racial prejudice, the answer is yes. People of color can and do have racial prejudices. However, if one defines racism as a system of advantage based on race, the answer is no. People of color are not racist because they do not systematically benefit from racism."

So yeah, here in America it appears you are correct. But wait, does the definition I quoted mean all whites in America are racists or just recipients of the benefits of advantages based on race? Sorry, not trying to confuse the issue but words DO count. Will check in tomorrow. Must sleep or die at work tomorrow.

ldent42 · January 2016

The way I learned it, white people benefit from white privilege. All white people have some degree of white privilege. That doesn't mean that all white people are racist. You can't avoid or disengage from your white privilege, it's not possible. You can however, acknowledge it and disagree with the systemic practice. What makes a white person a racist is to encourage, believe in, support, justify and perpetuate the systemic practice of racism.

I think the problem with this use of language, is you get people saying "oh you're going to call me a racist if I say people commit the most crimes" who think there a P.C. Conspiracy against them. That's not the case. The statement "black people commit the most crimes" doesn't necessarily make you a racist, it makes you seem prejudiced and ill informed. What makes you a racist is the belief that since black people commit the most crimes, black people deserve to be policed harder than white people.

If anyone's interested I'll see if I have any pdfs saved from this coursework and post links.

callen · January 2016

rr165892 said:
Cal define white guilt.What am I feeling guilty for.Working hard,being responsible.caring for other property and well being.I don't feel guilty about any success I have achieved,do you?

Guilt part in response to post implying I had guilt which motivates my views. I don't. None and get tired of hearing this phrase.

As to your success in creating and running a business, you should be proud as hell and revel in your fortitude in doing so. Most humans can't do this regardless of race creed etc. Some minorities have also succeeded in doing this. So I try to take everyone as an individual rather than grouping people together due to physical characteristic. Why I have issues with statements like blacks do more crime. I view it as poor people and less educated do more crime.

I do though recognize all aren't treated the same in our society.

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