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Who are these "majority of Americans"? Where they at?NYC 06/24/08-Auckland 11/27/09-Chch 11/29/09-Newark 05/18/10-Atlanta 09/22/12-Chicago 07/19/13-Brooklyn 10/18/13 & 10/19/13-Hartford 10/25/13-Baltimore 10/27/13-Auckland 1/17/14-GC 1/19/14-Melbourne 1/24/14-Sydney 1/26/14-Amsterdam 6/16/14 & 6/17/14-Milan 6/20/14-Berlin 6/26/14-Leeds 7/8/14-Milton Keynes 7/11/14-St. Louis 10/3/14-NYC 9/26/15
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Those with legitimate concerns about vetting refugees should. That all interveiws etc take place there before approval in 18-24 months.mcgruff10 said:
who cares? last time I checked there aren't any non stop flights between syria and the us.mickeyrat said:
Are you aware that the ones who are applying for legal passage and acceptance currently reside in camps in Turkey ?mcgruff10 said:
From what I ve read Two of the attackers snuck in through Greece. Are you prepared to possibly let in more? Myself and I m guessing the majority of American Do not want these people here. Let countries like Saudi arabia, Egypt or Iran take them in.mickeyrat said:
Yeah, you're right. the fact we arent actively engaged in war on this soil cant have a goddamned thing to do with wanting to come here.mcgruff10 said:
why do anti gunners always conveniently bring up gun control in times of crisis? give me a freaking break. the big difference is we are talking about american citizens, not possible terrorists that have absolutely zero reason to be here except to cause harm to the united states.mickeyrat said:
No I am not ok with this vote. I have yet to see even one come forward and shout from the rooftops what is actually in place , instead we get rhetoric designed to re-elect and inches us closer to a totalitarian style state. Not just no, but go fuck yourself congress no.mcgruff10 said:
1800 in the last 2 years but that was before paris; the game has now changed. kind of like pre and post 9/11.mickeyrat said:
even more? 1800 people in the last 2 years. out of 5 million who left syria.mcgruff10 said:I guess a lot of Americans feel the same way as I do: why do we have to compromise our safety to let even more refugees in, especially one's with possibly terrorist ties (even though it's the vast minority)? Why can't Muslim countries or any other country take these people in? Why does the United states always have to get involved with international problems when we have a plethora of domestic issues to solve? I.e. Thousands of homeless american vets yet we are going to provide housing and education for those emigrating to the united states from the middle east. I guess everyone has their breaking point and this seems to be it.
stop with the vets rhetoric. Congress has chosen something else in regards to their welfare. The people eleected to represent THEM and us have abdicated that responsibility for politics o get them re-elected. Some of those guys have washed their hands of the government to begin with. As wealthy a nation as this one is, we can certainly do both.
so if congress was elected by them then you are ok with the recent vote regarding syrian refugees?
forget vets rhetoric; we have a host of other problems in this country. why can't someone else pick up the slack and let us address our own issues.
Listen FIRST to those we rely on and consider our experts in the field. Tweak or change as needed after that.
any that wish to do us harm HERE are ALREADY HERE. What we enjoy here has its risk associated with it. we rely on out follow citizens to follow certain social norms as well as the riule of law which this nation was founded upon.
after cracks in the system were made known in 2010 , effective changes were made to vet to the best of our ability. As things present tweaks will surely be made. IF we are the morally supreior nation we make our selcves out to be and the leader of the free world we say we are, then we MUST lead by example and deed. period.
every time I start my truck and release the brakes , the public at large expects certain things from me. I expect certain things from the public. The public FAILS every fucking day. I still do what I do to the best of my ability in the face of that. I dont hide and say no, that freight aint going there cuz I cant be sure the public will treat me fairly.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple.
you keep them that are cleared out? Then every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon needs to be stopped from doing so. Cuz we cant garauntee they wont flip out and massacre innocents.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple. right? then please apply that to the 2nd amendment and then have an intelligent conversation without bring up every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon.
it seems like the majority of americans don't want these refugees here; your argument is we are morally superior. why do we have to be morally superior? let another country take the reigns for once.
You completely missed the point about the gun thing.
We helped create the fucking mess, we definately perpetuate the fucking mess , now we expect others to do the heavy lifting.
What part of European Nationals do you not get in the Paris attacks? NOT refugee. CITIZENS OF THE UNION!
And I think we are doing plenty of heavy lifting in this case and many instances since ww1.
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source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-would-rather-send-troops-abroad-than-take-in-refugees-at-home_564dfea0e4b00b7997f98ca5
Americans Would Rather Send Troops Abroad Than Take In Refugees At Home
In the wake of the Paris attacks, a new HuffPost/YouGov poll finds the public's mood is increasingly bellicose.
There's considerably more support for sending U.S. ground troops to fight the Islamic State than there is for accepting the Syrian refugees fleeing from the terrorist group, a new HuffPost/YouGov poll finds.
Americans are broadly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and convinced other nations have an obligation to help. A 53 percent majority think people who flee war or political oppression should have the right to seek refuge in other countries, while 23 percent don't. Fifty-six percent believe that refugee crises are a problem for the entire world, not just neighboring countries.
But there's less consensus that the U.S. should be part of the solution. While 38 percent of Americans say the U.S. should take in refugees, 39 percent say it should not, with the remainder unsure. Most don't think the U.S. has a special role to play as a haven for people escaping war in their home countries.
While Democrats are more likely than Republicans to say the nation should accept refugees, support among both groups has dropped significantly in the past two months.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
our neighbors to the north:
source: http://globalnews.ca/news/2346795/more-than-half-of-prairie-population-oppose-refugee-resettlement-poll/
More than half of prairie population oppose refugee resettlement: poll
A recent Angus Reid public opinion poll shows more than half of the prairie population opposes resettling Syrian refugees into their provinces.
Manitoba is planning to resettle 2,000 Syrian refugees by the end of 2015. This is part of Canada’s larger commitment to bring in 25,000 of Syrian refugees by year’s end.
The poll was conducted three days after the terrorist attacks that killed 129 people on Nov. 13th.
It found 63 per cent of the public from Manitoba and Saskatchewan are opposed to the resettlement plan. 67 per cent of Alberta’s population is also against it.
The poll found Canada was divided on the issue. Just over half of Canadians oppose the federal government’s resettlement plan.
However, even before the terrorist attacks in the French capital, fully half of the Canadian public was against it.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
source http://www.christiantoday.com/article/majority.of.americans.dont.want.more.syrian.refugees.favour.sending.ground.troops.to.fight.isis.poll/71078.htm
Majority of Americans disapprove of President Barack Obama's plans to allow more Syrian refugees to settle in the U.S., an issue that sharply divides Americans across party lines, a new poll shows.
While about eight in 10 Republicans disapprove of letting in more refugees from Syria, including 64 percent who strongly disapprove, nearly two-thirds of Democrats support Obama's policy. Some 59 percent of independents are also opposed to the plan, according to the NBC News/SurveyMonkey online poll.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
one last one from npr:
source: http://www.npr.org/2015/11/21/456857350/this-isnt-the-first-time-americans-have-shown-fear-of-refugees?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news
Such fears escalated sharply after the deadly terror attacks in Paris on Friday, the 13th — a November night of random slaughter that took at least 130 lives and wounded hundreds. Polls throughout the week showed clear majorities of Americans supporting at least "a pause" in the resettlement of refugees from the region being roiled by the self-proclaimed Islamic State.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
No my concern is keeping them out to avoid another attack which is what the majority of Americans want.mickeyrat said:
Those with legitimate concerns about vetting refugees should. That all interveiws etc take place there before approval in 18-24 months.mcgruff10 said:
who cares? last time I checked there aren't any non stop flights between syria and the us.mickeyrat said:
Are you aware that the ones who are applying for legal passage and acceptance currently reside in camps in Turkey ?mcgruff10 said:
From what I ve read Two of the attackers snuck in through Greece. Are you prepared to possibly let in more? Myself and I m guessing the majority of American Do not want these people here. Let countries like Saudi arabia, Egypt or Iran take them in.mickeyrat said:
Yeah, you're right. the fact we arent actively engaged in war on this soil cant have a goddamned thing to do with wanting to come here.mcgruff10 said:
why do anti gunners always conveniently bring up gun control in times of crisis? give me a freaking break. the big difference is we are talking about american citizens, not possible terrorists that have absolutely zero reason to be here except to cause harm to the united states.mickeyrat said:
No I am not ok with this vote. I have yet to see even one come forward and shout from the rooftops what is actually in place , instead we get rhetoric designed to re-elect and inches us closer to a totalitarian style state. Not just no, but go fuck yourself congress no.mcgruff10 said:
1800 in the last 2 years but that was before paris; the game has now changed. kind of like pre and post 9/11.mickeyrat said:
even more? 1800 people in the last 2 years. out of 5 million who left syria.mcgruff10 said:I guess a lot of Americans feel the same way as I do: why do we have to compromise our safety to let even more refugees in, especially one's with possibly terrorist ties (even though it's the vast minority)? Why can't Muslim countries or any other country take these people in? Why does the United states always have to get involved with international problems when we have a plethora of domestic issues to solve? I.e. Thousands of homeless american vets yet we are going to provide housing and education for those emigrating to the united states from the middle east. I guess everyone has their breaking point and this seems to be it.
stop with the vets rhetoric. Congress has chosen something else in regards to their welfare. The people eleected to represent THEM and us have abdicated that responsibility for politics o get them re-elected. Some of those guys have washed their hands of the government to begin with. As wealthy a nation as this one is, we can certainly do both.
so if congress was elected by them then you are ok with the recent vote regarding syrian refugees?
forget vets rhetoric; we have a host of other problems in this country. why can't someone else pick up the slack and let us address our own issues.
Listen FIRST to those we rely on and consider our experts in the field. Tweak or change as needed after that.
any that wish to do us harm HERE are ALREADY HERE. What we enjoy here has its risk associated with it. we rely on out follow citizens to follow certain social norms as well as the riule of law which this nation was founded upon.
after cracks in the system were made known in 2010 , effective changes were made to vet to the best of our ability. As things present tweaks will surely be made. IF we are the morally supreior nation we make our selcves out to be and the leader of the free world we say we are, then we MUST lead by example and deed. period.
every time I start my truck and release the brakes , the public at large expects certain things from me. I expect certain things from the public. The public FAILS every fucking day. I still do what I do to the best of my ability in the face of that. I dont hide and say no, that freight aint going there cuz I cant be sure the public will treat me fairly.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple.
you keep them that are cleared out? Then every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon needs to be stopped from doing so. Cuz we cant garauntee they wont flip out and massacre innocents.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple. right? then please apply that to the 2nd amendment and then have an intelligent conversation without bring up every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon.
it seems like the majority of americans don't want these refugees here; your argument is we are morally superior. why do we have to be morally superior? let another country take the reigns for once.
You completely missed the point about the gun thing.
We helped create the fucking mess, we definately perpetuate the fucking mess , now we expect others to do the heavy lifting.
What part of European Nationals do you not get in the Paris attacks? NOT refugee. CITIZENS OF THE UNION!
And I think we are doing plenty of heavy lifting in this case and many instances since ww1.
Isnt that your concern? The vetting process?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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25,000 refugees ARE coming to Canada. The wheels are all turning, the various agencies are working hard to make it happen, settlement offices have been opened in various areas, school boards are working on making sure there is room for the children, the refugees are now being selected and informed of it. There is even a rich developer in Vancouver who has offered one of his apartment properties for families to live in when they arrive while they get on their feet.
Most Canadians actually support accepting refugees. They just want to know that they are properly screened, which they are. Most of those against it are simply misinformed and/or basing their opinion on illogical fears, just like in the US. But that doesn't matter in any case. Thank god our new givernment knows better and is currently moving full steam ahead.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
How do you figure not helping refugees is going to prevent terrorist attacks in the US? Because it most certainly won't.mcgruff10 said:
No my concern is keeping them out to avoid another attack which is what the majority of Americans want.mickeyrat said:
Those with legitimate concerns about vetting refugees should. That all interveiws etc take place there before approval in 18-24 months.mcgruff10 said:
who cares? last time I checked there aren't any non stop flights between syria and the us.mickeyrat said:
Are you aware that the ones who are applying for legal passage and acceptance currently reside in camps in Turkey ?mcgruff10 said:
From what I ve read Two of the attackers snuck in through Greece. Are you prepared to possibly let in more? Myself and I m guessing the majority of American Do not want these people here. Let countries like Saudi arabia, Egypt or Iran take them in.mickeyrat said:
Yeah, you're right. the fact we arent actively engaged in war on this soil cant have a goddamned thing to do with wanting to come here.mcgruff10 said:
why do anti gunners always conveniently bring up gun control in times of crisis? give me a freaking break. the big difference is we are talking about american citizens, not possible terrorists that have absolutely zero reason to be here except to cause harm to the united states.mickeyrat said:
No I am not ok with this vote. I have yet to see even one come forward and shout from the rooftops what is actually in place , instead we get rhetoric designed to re-elect and inches us closer to a totalitarian style state. Not just no, but go fuck yourself congress no.mcgruff10 said:
1800 in the last 2 years but that was before paris; the game has now changed. kind of like pre and post 9/11.mickeyrat said:
even more? 1800 people in the last 2 years. out of 5 million who left syria.mcgruff10 said:I guess a lot of Americans feel the same way as I do: why do we have to compromise our safety to let even more refugees in, especially one's with possibly terrorist ties (even though it's the vast minority)? Why can't Muslim countries or any other country take these people in? Why does the United states always have to get involved with international problems when we have a plethora of domestic issues to solve? I.e. Thousands of homeless american vets yet we are going to provide housing and education for those emigrating to the united states from the middle east. I guess everyone has their breaking point and this seems to be it.
stop with the vets rhetoric. Congress has chosen something else in regards to their welfare. The people eleected to represent THEM and us have abdicated that responsibility for politics o get them re-elected. Some of those guys have washed their hands of the government to begin with. As wealthy a nation as this one is, we can certainly do both.
so if congress was elected by them then you are ok with the recent vote regarding syrian refugees?
forget vets rhetoric; we have a host of other problems in this country. why can't someone else pick up the slack and let us address our own issues.
Listen FIRST to those we rely on and consider our experts in the field. Tweak or change as needed after that.
any that wish to do us harm HERE are ALREADY HERE. What we enjoy here has its risk associated with it. we rely on out follow citizens to follow certain social norms as well as the riule of law which this nation was founded upon.
after cracks in the system were made known in 2010 , effective changes were made to vet to the best of our ability. As things present tweaks will surely be made. IF we are the morally supreior nation we make our selcves out to be and the leader of the free world we say we are, then we MUST lead by example and deed. period.
every time I start my truck and release the brakes , the public at large expects certain things from me. I expect certain things from the public. The public FAILS every fucking day. I still do what I do to the best of my ability in the face of that. I dont hide and say no, that freight aint going there cuz I cant be sure the public will treat me fairly.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple.
you keep them that are cleared out? Then every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon needs to be stopped from doing so. Cuz we cant garauntee they wont flip out and massacre innocents.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple. right? then please apply that to the 2nd amendment and then have an intelligent conversation without bring up every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon.
it seems like the majority of americans don't want these refugees here; your argument is we are morally superior. why do we have to be morally superior? let another country take the reigns for once.
You completely missed the point about the gun thing.
We helped create the fucking mess, we definately perpetuate the fucking mess , now we expect others to do the heavy lifting.
What part of European Nationals do you not get in the Paris attacks? NOT refugee. CITIZENS OF THE UNION!
And I think we are doing plenty of heavy lifting in this case and many instances since ww1.
Isnt that your concern? The vetting process?With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Probably some fear and lack of knowledge but more along the lines of trying to prevent another attack. I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would you want the enemy to come into your country?mickeyrat said:All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Who is suggesting that the enemy come to your country?? Your enemy is also the enemy of the refugees. They are fleeing your enemy. You know that.mcgruff10 said:
Probably some fear and lack of knowledge but more along the lines of trying to prevent another attack. I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would you want the enemy to come into your country?mickeyrat said:All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
two of the paris attackers blended in with the refugees. who says they can't do the same thing when they come here or canada?PJ_Soul said:
Who is suggesting that the enemy come to your country?? Your enemy is also the enemy of the refugees. They are fleeing your enemy. You know that.mcgruff10 said:
Probably some fear and lack of knowledge but more along the lines of trying to prevent another attack. I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would you want the enemy to come into your country?mickeyrat said:All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Who says they will?mcgruff10 said:
two of the paris attackers blended in with the refugees. who says they can't do the same thing when they come here or canada?PJ_Soul said:
Who is suggesting that the enemy come to your country?? Your enemy is also the enemy of the refugees. They are fleeing your enemy. You know that.mcgruff10 said:
Probably some fear and lack of knowledge but more along the lines of trying to prevent another attack. I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would you want the enemy to come into your country?mickeyrat said:All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media.NYC 06/24/08-Auckland 11/27/09-Chch 11/29/09-Newark 05/18/10-Atlanta 09/22/12-Chicago 07/19/13-Brooklyn 10/18/13 & 10/19/13-Hartford 10/25/13-Baltimore 10/27/13-Auckland 1/17/14-GC 1/19/14-Melbourne 1/24/14-Sydney 1/26/14-Amsterdam 6/16/14 & 6/17/14-Milan 6/20/14-Berlin 6/26/14-Leeds 7/8/14-Milton Keynes 7/11/14-St. Louis 10/3/14-NYC 9/26/15
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Really, that s your counter?ldent42 said:
Who says they will?mcgruff10 said:
two of the paris attackers blended in with the refugees. who says they can't do the same thing when they come here or canada?PJ_Soul said:
Who is suggesting that the enemy come to your country?? Your enemy is also the enemy of the refugees. They are fleeing your enemy. You know that.mcgruff10 said:
Probably some fear and lack of knowledge but more along the lines of trying to prevent another attack. I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would you want the enemy to come into your country?mickeyrat said:All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Were (Canada) taking in 25,000 by the end of the year......or at least try. You see, there are times when the majority are wrong. Sometimes a politician has to do what is right, not what is popular. Our PM was given a majority, a mandate, campaigning that he would bring in 25,000 by the end of the year. I'm not his biggest fan, but at least he has the balls to do what's right.mcgruff10 said:our neighbors to the north:
source: http://globalnews.ca/news/2346795/more-than-half-of-prairie-population-oppose-refugee-resettlement-poll/
More than half of prairie population oppose refugee resettlement: poll
A recent Angus Reid public opinion poll shows more than half of the prairie population opposes resettling Syrian refugees into their provinces.
Manitoba is planning to resettle 2,000 Syrian refugees by the end of 2015. This is part of Canada’s larger commitment to bring in 25,000 of Syrian refugees by year’s end.
The poll was conducted three days after the terrorist attacks that killed 129 people on Nov. 13th.
It found 63 per cent of the public from Manitoba and Saskatchewan are opposed to the resettlement plan. 67 per cent of Alberta’s population is also against it.
The poll found Canada was divided on the issue. Just over half of Canadians oppose the federal government’s resettlement plan.
However, even before the terrorist attacks in the French capital, fully half of the Canadian public was against it.0 -
Really, that's yours?mcgruff10 said:
Really, that s your counter?ldent42 said:
Who says they will?mcgruff10 said:
two of the paris attackers blended in with the refugees. who says they can't do the same thing when they come here or canada?PJ_Soul said:
Who is suggesting that the enemy come to your country?? Your enemy is also the enemy of the refugees. They are fleeing your enemy. You know that.mcgruff10 said:
Probably some fear and lack of knowledge but more along the lines of trying to prevent another attack. I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would you want the enemy to come into your country?mickeyrat said:All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media.NYC 06/24/08-Auckland 11/27/09-Chch 11/29/09-Newark 05/18/10-Atlanta 09/22/12-Chicago 07/19/13-Brooklyn 10/18/13 & 10/19/13-Hartford 10/25/13-Baltimore 10/27/13-Auckland 1/17/14-GC 1/19/14-Melbourne 1/24/14-Sydney 1/26/14-Amsterdam 6/16/14 & 6/17/14-Milan 6/20/14-Berlin 6/26/14-Leeds 7/8/14-Milton Keynes 7/11/14-St. Louis 10/3/14-NYC 9/26/15
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Germany is taking the lead for accepting these refugees (800,000).mcgruff10 said:
I'm guessing germany is taking that many in because of geography. As of today (the last I read) the candadian plan isn't even approved yet. (maybe it has changed?)dignin said:
You realize the majority of Americans don't want to take in 10,000 refugees....out of hundreds of thousands. Not even a drop in the bucket. Hardly taking the lead, Germany has that covered. Even Canada is taking in 25, 000 by the end of this year....as a start. That would equal the US taking in 250,000.mcgruff10 said:
why do anti gunners always conveniently bring up gun control in times of crisis? give me a freaking break. the big difference is we are talking about american citizens, not possible terrorists that have absolutely zero reason to be here except to cause harm to the united states.mickeyrat said:
No I am not ok with this vote. I have yet to see even one come forward and shout from the rooftops what is actually in place , instead we get rhetoric designed to re-elect and inches us closer to a totalitarian style state. Not just no, but go fuck yourself congress no.mcgruff10 said:
1800 in the last 2 years but that was before paris; the game has now changed. kind of like pre and post 9/11.mickeyrat said:
even more? 1800 people in the last 2 years. out of 5 million who left syria.mcgruff10 said:I guess a lot of Americans feel the same way as I do: why do we have to compromise our safety to let even more refugees in, especially one's with possibly terrorist ties (even though it's the vast minority)? Why can't Muslim countries or any other country take these people in? Why does the United states always have to get involved with international problems when we have a plethora of domestic issues to solve? I.e. Thousands of homeless american vets yet we are going to provide housing and education for those emigrating to the united states from the middle east. I guess everyone has their breaking point and this seems to be it.
stop with the vets rhetoric. Congress has chosen something else in regards to their welfare. The people eleected to represent THEM and us have abdicated that responsibility for politics o get them re-elected. Some of those guys have washed their hands of the government to begin with. As wealthy a nation as this one is, we can certainly do both.
so if congress was elected by them then you are ok with the recent vote regarding syrian refugees?
forget vets rhetoric; we have a host of other problems in this country. why can't someone else pick up the slack and let us address our own issues.
Listen FIRST to those we rely on and consider our experts in the field. Tweak or change as needed after that.
any that wish to do us harm HERE are ALREADY HERE. What we enjoy here has its risk associated with it. we rely on out follow citizens to follow certain social norms as well as the riule of law which this nation was founded upon.
after cracks in the system were made known in 2010 , effective changes were made to vet to the best of our ability. As things present tweaks will surely be made. IF we are the morally supreior nation we make our selcves out to be and the leader of the free world we say we are, then we MUST lead by example and deed. period.
every time I start my truck and release the brakes , the public at large expects certain things from me. I expect certain things from the public. The public FAILS every fucking day. I still do what I do to the best of my ability in the face of that. I dont hide and say no, that freight aint going there cuz I cant be sure the public will treat me fairly.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple.
you keep them that are cleared out? Then every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon needs to be stopped from doing so. Cuz we cant garauntee they wont flip out and massacre innocents.
there is no freedom without risk. plain and simple. right? then please apply that to the 2nd amendment and then have an intelligent conversation without bring up every fucking white guy trying to buy any weapon.
it seems like the majority of americans don't want these refugees here; your argument is we are morally superior. why do we have to be morally superior? let another country take the reigns for once.
Taking in 10,000 is a joke, not taking in any is amoral.
so again, why does the united states have to take in any? why can't other countries for once take the lead in something? I mean we are the number one country in the world when it comes to foreign aid and are the military leader against isis....let someone else take the reigns for once.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/why-germany-is-taking-in-so-many-refugees-the-benefits-and-risks-1.3226962
Historically, in the MT, when people were demanding the US and other forces withdraw from the middle East... this was typically supported with the notion that we should leave Muslims to deal with the ISIS problem.
How do these people feel now? Is it fair to say that this refugee crisis demonstrates that some form of international intervention is required to suppress the ISIS threat?
Some of these same people make very little of ISIS and disregard their level of threat. Am I in the minority thinking this group of shitheads is a legitimate concern?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Your counter was weak.ldent42 said:
Really, that's yours?mcgruff10 said:
Really, that s your counter?ldent42 said:
Who says they will?mcgruff10 said:
two of the paris attackers blended in with the refugees. who says they can't do the same thing when they come here or canada?PJ_Soul said:
Who is suggesting that the enemy come to your country?? Your enemy is also the enemy of the refugees. They are fleeing your enemy. You know that.mcgruff10 said:
Probably some fear and lack of knowledge but more along the lines of trying to prevent another attack. I don't see what is wrong with this. Why would you want the enemy to come into your country?mickeyrat said:All seem to revolve around fear and lack of knowledge about the process in place, where these would new americans or canadians are actually housed currently, that most of the isis affliated attacks abroad were by nationals of those countries or within EU boundries where freedom of movement across borders is accepted.
Last that France is accepting 25000 in the face of these attacks.
Fear stoked by selfserving assholes in gov and media.
While I support Canada's efforts to assist (they're modest at best)... I think a country and its citizens have every right to be concerned for who they accept into their fold- especially given the potential risks."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I consider them much more dangerous than al quaeda. Thirty I think we agree!!!!
Amd I think the majority of people in our countries agree with us.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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