Canadian Politics

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

^^^^

Yes, some intelligent debate would have been enlightening. Unfortunately I was dragged into the mudslinging because I admitted to making a mistake as a teenager. (Choosing the wrong career path, no one else has ever done that)
How that excuses able bodied 25 year olds collecting welfare is beyond me.

But, that is politics. Instead of focussing on the issues it becomes personal attacks. Thank you for participation in Politics 101

Okay. Well... after we declared a truce... I asked you to chew on the following:

Harper's fiscal management is a tale of reversal and failure, not triumph. Department of Finance Fiscal Reference Tables reveal that in the years before Harper became prime minister, there were nine consecutive years of budgetary surpluses, from 1997 to 2007. In eight of those years, Ottawa amassed a surplus of over $79 billion. Yet In Harper's first eight years as prime minister, he managed to produce a deficit of almost $127 billion.

How difficult can it be to balance the books when cuts and closures rule the day and program spending is estimated to have fallen by some $4 billion last year alone? The Harper government has cut almost 26,000 public service jobs in the last three years and they have dropped or axed many important programs and services.

http://m.thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/06/12/Harper-Put-Canada-in-the-Red/

He's not done yet: Canada Post, despite reporting large profits, is moving to community mail boxes eliminating a massive number of working class people. The auto industry is getting beat down. And the list goes on.

Instead of demanding corporations pay their fair share of taxes, he shrinks our workforce. Say nothing of compromising our national values as he strokes international interests... he's secretive and he's scandalous.

He can't run his campaign on his body of work because its been poor: instead he resorts to the oldest method- attacking and discrediting his opponents to strike fear in the 'drooling fools'. This is where my original comment was borne from: he's not worth a vote for most... and if someone is voting for him fearing that 'the other guy's not ready yet'... they've bought the tactic.

After such a lengthy term... he should be able to present his work and not even acknowledge his opposition. He can't though. It's simply not impressive.


Have you chewed on this? Do you care to comment?

It's not about what he has done. It's about moving forward and making change.
With four more years he will be the best bleeding heart you have ever seen.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
The best indicator of future performance of a "global representative" can only be seen by what is thrown at them.
World events can not be altered by one man.(person)

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/10/13/mulcair-on-harper-i-want-him-gone
I want him gone?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

northerndragon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
The best indicator of future performance of a "global representative" can only be seen by what is thrown at them.
World events can not be altered by one man.(person)

Can I interest you in the works of Hiltler? No I am not calling our current leader Hitler, I am merely refuting your statement that one man cannot alter world events. It has been proven time and time again in the annals of history that this can and has happened. As for being a global representative, under his term the worlds view of Canada has declined. This would seem to indicated that both nationally and internationally he has failed.

So mulcair is going to change world events?
Trudeau?
May?
Don't think so.
Beliefs alter world events - the leader is just the voice of many.

For the record I think that the partys have no world clout.

rgambs said:

Just be glad you all don't have a damn Trump scenario on your hands!

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Well, I have a low opinion of most Crown Corporations, particularly the CBC (cannot watch all the Justin Trudeau coverage, could their bias be any more obvious?) and Canada Post.
Mostly it has to do with fat cat CUPE employees who make it seem like a personal affront to them when you make them do something. Let them slide into the public sector and see how the real world works combined with wages that better fit your skill set (yes, they are overpaid).

So if you are talking economics, Harper's Conservstives went through a recession. You do remember 2008 right?
Compare how much debt Canada went into compared with the other G7 countries (Especially the US).
The years before that the economy was full steam ahead, driven by the engine propelling it, oil.
We got through those lean years relatively unscathed. Minimal stimulus was required and we are still growing. Growing at a sustainable level so inflation does not become an issue.

I have issues with Harper's Conservstives, his position on Crown Corporations and his stewardship of the economy are not among them.

The blow of the recession was lessened in spite of Harper, not because of him. He was against banking regulations, the same banking regulations that saved our ass.

http://theteteatete.org/2015/05/04/how-and-why-stephen-harper-is-a-bad-economic-manager/

Myth 1: Canada weathered the global recession better than other G7 countries because of Harper’s leadership.

Facts: Canada weathered the global recession better than other G7 countries, yes, but did so in spite of Harper as much or more than because of him. Experts mostly agree that Canada has fared well for two reasons: (i) our banks had regulations preventing them from engaging in many of the risky lending practices that brought down the big U.S. banks (Harper himself has said this); (ii) we, like most other developed countries, used fiscal stimulus to cushion the fall in the immediate aftermath of the banking crisis, and we bailed out some of our big manufacturers (e.g. General Motors and Chrysler).

Canada’s banking regulations pre-dated Harper by decades. In fact, prior to the financial crisis, Harper was a proponent of deregulation. In 2006 for example, he paved the way for the introduction of the risky 40-year, zero-down mortgages that helped bring down the U.S. banking system – insured by Canadian taxpayers. Some have argued that Canada would have suffered much worse in the financial crisis had it happened a few years later. In fact, we may not even be out of the woods yet. Canada’s housing market is considered to be dangerously (~35%) over-valued, and the drop in oil prices is threatening to burst the bubble. In opposition and at the National Citizens Coalition, Harper was similarly a proponent of U.S.-style banking deregulation, and was a critic of Chrétien’s decision to block large bank mergers in the late ’90s – a decision which the IMF recently argued was partly responsible for how well Canada was able to weather the crash.

I'm not going to argue the words of Wikipedia with you.

Either way, he did not deregulate and has made no such effort to move in that direction.
You see, politicians also learn some things along the way.

In real life (talking politics to carbon based life forms in the same room), I have given full credit to the Liberal government which tightened the banking laws to not allow them to over-leverage.

I also credit past Conservstive governments for Free Trade and how it has ensured we keep up with the burgeoning (at the time) world economy.

Just as I was baffled by the Liberals and the gun registry and sponsorship scandal, I am bothered by C-51 and Mulroney with the jets.

I am most dismayed by this "strong middle class" election message. Strive to the middle, that's what makes a country great.
Canadians always suffer from inferiority complex on the world stage. Peacekeepers. Strive to blend in. We have a PM who stood up to RUSSIA. That takes balls. He did what Obama wouldn't do.
If you think what Harper did was wrong then you think Putin was right. A leader who stand up for what is right is important with the world so unstable

- EU in disarray, England thinking of pulling out
- ISIS
- Putin making overtures on Arctic land rights

Sending Trudeau into these battles would be like asking your kid brother to go up to the high school bully and offer him a candy bar to not beat you up.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

Well, I have a low opinion of most Crown Corporations, particularly the CBC (cannot watch all the Justin Trudeau coverage, could their bias be any more obvious?) and Canada Post.
Mostly it has to do with fat cat CUPE employees who make it seem like a personal affront to them when you make them do something. Let them slide into the public sector and see how the real world works combined with wages that better fit your skill set (yes, they are overpaid).

So if you are talking economics, Harper's Conservstives went through a recession. You do remember 2008 right?
Compare how much debt Canada went into compared with the other G7 countries (Especially the US).
The years before that the economy was full steam ahead, driven by the engine propelling it, oil.
We got through those lean years relatively unscathed. Minimal stimulus was required and we are still growing. Growing at a sustainable level so inflation does not become an issue.

I have issues with Harper's Conservstives, his position on Crown Corporations and his stewardship of the economy are not among them.

The blow of the recession was lessened in spite of Harper, not because of him. He was against banking regulations, the same banking regulations that saved our ass.

http://theteteatete.org/2015/05/04/how-and-why-stephen-harper-is-a-bad-economic-manager/

Myth 1: Canada weathered the global recession better than other G7 countries because of Harper’s leadership.

Facts: Canada weathered the global recession better than other G7 countries, yes, but did so in spite of Harper as much or more than because of him. Experts mostly agree that Canada has fared well for two reasons: (i) our banks had regulations preventing them from engaging in many of the risky lending practices that brought down the big U.S. banks (Harper himself has said this); (ii) we, like most other developed countries, used fiscal stimulus to cushion the fall in the immediate aftermath of the banking crisis, and we bailed out some of our big manufacturers (e.g. General Motors and Chrysler).

Canada’s banking regulations pre-dated Harper by decades. In fact, prior to the financial crisis, Harper was a proponent of deregulation. In 2006 for example, he paved the way for the introduction of the risky 40-year, zero-down mortgages that helped bring down the U.S. banking system – insured by Canadian taxpayers. Some have argued that Canada would have suffered much worse in the financial crisis had it happened a few years later. In fact, we may not even be out of the woods yet. Canada’s housing market is considered to be dangerously (~35%) over-valued, and the drop in oil prices is threatening to burst the bubble. In opposition and at the National Citizens Coalition, Harper was similarly a proponent of U.S.-style banking deregulation, and was a critic of Chrétien’s decision to block large bank mergers in the late ’90s – a decision which the IMF recently argued was partly responsible for how well Canada was able to weather the crash.

I'm not going to argue the words of Wikipedia with you.

Either way, he did not deregulate and has made no such effort to move in that direction.
You see, politicians also learn some things along the way.

In real life (talking politics to carbon based life forms in the same room), I have given full credit to the Liberal government which tightened the banking laws to not allow them to over-leverage.

I also credit past Conservstive governments for Free Trade and how it has ensured we keep up with the burgeoning (at the time) world economy.

Just as I was baffled by the Liberals and the gun registry and sponsorship scandal, I am bothered by C-51 and Mulroney with the jets.

I am most dismayed by this "strong middle class" election message. Strive to the middle, that's what makes a country great.
Canadians always suffer from inferiority complex on the world stage. Peacekeepers. Strive to blend in. We have a PM who stood up to RUSSIA. That takes balls. He did what Obama wouldn't do.
If you think what Harper did was wrong then you think Putin was right. A leader who stand up for what is right is important with the world so unstable

- EU in disarray, England thinking of pulling out
- ISIS
- Putin making overtures on Arctic land rights

Sending Trudeau into these battles would be like asking your kid brother to go up to the high school bully and offer him a candy bar to not beat you up.

It sounds to me like you'd prefer us to be more like the US.

You do understand that our international reputation is strong? I don't have an inferiority complex. I'm actually proud of Canada and our place in the world. Most I know are as well.

Some good information was offered to you regarding Harper's inefficiency. You largely ignored it to talk of brass balls (essentially). Wanna know who has bigger balls? Chretien refuted our biggest allies to the south refusing to go to war in Iraq in 2003. Harper's tail couldn't have wagged any harder to please Bush given that situation.

And you speak of a desire to engage in meaningful debate?