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wow ... someone just wrote the rich are risking their lives to create jobs!!!! ... i've heard it all ... the same people who continue to increase their own pay while freezing wages of their employees ... the same people who use loopholes and tax shelters to avoid paying taxes ... the same people who lay off people so they can have a 3 cent bump on their stock and get paid huge bonuses ...
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*rolling my eyes* I don't believe everything someone else posts off of Wikipedia. Nor will I debate it. I will debate your own thoughts and opinions. Not cut and paste facts.1ThoughtKnown said:I've presented him with some distasteful facts (twice actually) regarding Harper's terms and Dignin has as well.
1Thought has ignored them and instead has chosen to label all those tired of Harper's obscene leadership as extreme, left wing socialists. In fairness... I'm not sure what he could really say though- how can you defend Harper or support him in any other way than to mock and discredit opponents (just like Harper is doing right now!).
He's not as interested in legitimate debate as much as he claims to be- I mean... read the questions put to him and read his discourse... er... duck and dodge tactics (more appropriately).
When he's older and relying on our medical system... he'll come around (he's for social programming when he needs access to it). Until then... we should just be patient with his impetuous behaviour.
Once again, (wow this is getting repetitive
) I have concerns with all the leaders.
I do have a bigger problem with Trudeau than the other 2, I am just not sure what color the sky is in his world. Cut taxes and increase spending, yes that always works. "Build the economy from the heart out" yeah that works. The more he speaks, the more I hear is just fluff.
Harper is secretive and muzzling and I don't like C51 (which Trudeau supports). (How is that duck and dodge?). He is actually promising to spend more money than I would like too. Can't someone promise to curb spending? Why do people have to watch their budget but the government doesn't?
Mulcair is just not engaging, he has been left behind, plus the CBC has thrown all their support behind Trudeau.
Anyways, I have given you thought provoking answers to your debate attempts and you come back with....Nothing and more nothing *yawn*
Strive for the middle dude!
The articles weren't from Wikipedia, but you wouldn't know that because you never even looked at them. They're scathing for sure.. so don't (I'd think its probably better for you to live in the world you've created for yourself). I mean... f**k facts eh?
No problems- even people with narcissistic views of the world can like good music. And, you're here, so you probably do. We could sit in a pub and have beers... let's just not talk about how rough the rich have it though... okay?Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
1ThoughtKnown said:
Well,
It's amazing to me that everyone thinks it's better to tax the rich more. The people with money who risk everything they have to build a business, which creates jobs for those who want a more secure life. With that risk, comes reward or possible abject failure.
In creating those jobs, they employee people who also pay taxes. The price you pay for the security of a job.
Now, I am no longer a business owner. It is tough sledding, it is a lot of pressure and the Feds DO tax you plenty (write offs help a little, but not what you may think)
I believe the government can continue to provide many of the same necessary services to Canadians with a smaller government and reduced spending.
In fact, I would,save health care by making people pay premiums on a sliding scale (based on income), until you reached $25,000/yr and then you would be fully subsidized (sounds like a hard line tea party supporter eh?)
But you have all worn me out with your narrow minded view of the world. Because I don't completely agree that Harper is evil and is going to destroy the country and take a more objective view, most of you can't handle it. Just like anyone else, you pick and choose what statistics you want to cut and paste that merely fits your agenda. Funny thing, I have been the most objective one on the board.
Fact is, I have let my concerns be known, no matter who wins I think we have vapid leadership.
As for thirty, and Hugh and softreading and whomever else Has decided I'm this boards public enemy number 1, sorry but you just couldn't convert me.
I would give you credit for a nice try, but never once did anything you post even convince me that I should vote one way or another.
All anti-Harper, but you never once mentioned any reason WHY I should vote for the other two. Not one thing. What are the Libs or NDP offering that is any different? Why should I vote for them?
You don't have any reasons, because there aren't any. It's just about "change". Do you really see any change happening? Was the US any different with Obama?
I want different, in 2019.. Il be running for the Libertarian Party of Canada. (Talked to them already)
Happy voting! Most important thing is to vote for the Canada YOU want, not your children or grandchildren. After all. It's ok for them to pay all your debt right
The quote feature is buggered up, but I did just want to address this post.
I thought you were okay with people paying for people's debts? You had us pay for yours? No?
And you're not public enemy number 1- don't give yourself that much credit. You're public enemy number 7.
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Out of that entire post, you found one thing to gripe about and referred back to my education. Not once did you stop to consider the very valid points made.
I am fine with helping people out, IF WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
Going further into debt to save our own asses and burden future generations is not ok, in my book. That is not REAL CHANGE.0 -
Why? So you can dig up these old posts and put them on Twatter?PJ_Soul said:What is your name 1ThoughtKnown? I'd like to know for when you run for office.
I won't make it that easy for you, since you are a socialist superhero, I'll let you figure it out. Do a 10 club hack. 
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The articles weren't from Wikipedia, but you wouldn't know that because you never even looked at them. They're scathing for sure.. so don't (I'd think its probably better for you to live in the world you've created for yourself). I mean... f**k facts eh?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
*rolling my eyes* I don't believe everything someone else posts off of Wikipedia. Nor will I debate it. I will debate your own thoughts and opinions. Not cut and paste facts.1ThoughtKnown said:I've presented him with some distasteful facts (twice actually) regarding Harper's terms and Dignin has as well.
1Thought has ignored them and instead has chosen to label all those tired of Harper's obscene leadership as extreme, left wing socialists. In fairness... I'm not sure what he could really say though- how can you defend Harper or support him in any other way than to mock and discredit opponents (just like Harper is doing right now!).
He's not as interested in legitimate debate as much as he claims to be- I mean... read the questions put to him and read his discourse... er... duck and dodge tactics (more appropriately).
When he's older and relying on our medical system... he'll come around (he's for social programming when he needs access to it). Until then... we should just be patient with his impetuous behaviour.
Once again, (wow this is getting repetitive ) I have concerns with all the leaders.
I do have a bigger problem with Trudeau than the other 2, I am just not sure what color the sky is in his world. Cut taxes and increase spending, yes that always works. "Build the economy from the heart out" yeah that works. The more he speaks, the more I hear is just fluff.
Harper is secretive and muzzling and I don't like C51 (which Trudeau supports). (How is that duck and dodge?). He is actually promising to spend more money than I would like too. Can't someone promise to curb spending? Why do people have to watch their budget but the government doesn't?
Mulcair is just not engaging, he has been left behind, plus the CBC has thrown all their support behind Trudeau.
Anyways, I have given you thought provoking answers to your debate attempts and you come back with....Nothing and more nothing *yawn*
Strive for the middle dude!
No problems- even people with narcissistic views of the world can like good music. And, you're here, so you probably do. We could sit in a pub and have beers... let's just not talk about how rough the rich have it though... okay?
I responded directly about the CBC and the economy to your plagiarized post, and then you barely had anything to come back with.
The wealthy take all the risk. That comes with the reward. That is the point. Ever watch Shark Tank? It's glamorized, but that is a simple way to describe it.
They shouldn't be taxed anymore than the rest of us. How is that "fair". But, I'll take it the way it is because that seems to be a minority view. (Alberta's Flat Tax was great).
Do you admonish Pearl Jam for being rich and avoiding paying taxes? Do you really think they don't? Now who is being naive. At least it leaves them more money to contribute to causes they have vetted and believe in.
How about Davis Suzuki, who owns four mansions, getting rich off of his "non-profit" organization? He pays ZERO taxes.0 -
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It wasn't plagiarised. I referenced the source.
Edit: and that is all.Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I personally don't give a shit who you are voting for. nor has anyone stated they think you are voting Harper that I've seen. the only reason people are talking about Harper is because you are defending him. I don't think he's all evil. I think the viral picture of half his face and half Hitler's is disgusting; not only completely untrue, it's degrading to the victims of Hitler's rule. BUT he IS eroding Canada's identity and his office is moving closer and closer to becoming a dictatorship that is answerable to no one. a PM that refuses to answer questions to the press is a terrible leader. and that's but one example. he also alligns himself with the Ford brothers. he is staunchly opposed to legalizing marijiuana, yet surrounds himself with liars and drug addicts and buffoons. I simply can't respect that.1ThoughtKnown said:
Puhhhhhhlease. All you are doing is piling on. I actually had more respect for you.HughFreakingDillon said:
all laid to rest? because you say so? alrighty then.1ThoughtKnown said:PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Harper at least promises not to raise taxes.
Turdo will run deficits
New Disaster Party will just do whatever with the economy and see what sticks
The Green Party will propose we recycle all money in order to use it twice.
Not going to respond to everything you posted, because it was all laid to rest and you picked up the ball and reiterated the same waste of time arguments.HughFreakingDillon said:
I've always found it quite interesting when I see someone comes on the internet to argue and then make fun of people who come on the internet to argue?1ThoughtKnown said:So to recap everything... As I take a break from here again as I can only handle so much of the uber left wing rhetoric and silly posts of other people views and links to news stories from the watered down media we already read:
1) I've never once said who I am going to vote for
2) you are all convinced I am voting for Harper
3) some think I am hypocrite because I learned from my mistakes (interestingly, I went to the Lethbridge Food Bank four times as a student and I send them $100 every year, I don't forget)
4) if anyone doesn't agree with people who think Harper is pure evil that person is wrong
5) it appears people who lean far to the left are extremely closed minded. To the point of a lack of respect of any view which isn't consistent of their own
6) not one of you know me, but you have many assumptions.. Good for you
7) the internet isn't real and all of you are wasting your time arguing here while doing NOTHING
8) I am fine with the way things are and I don't want to pay more taxes.
No matter who wins and takes hold of the government, you are going to complain. Then you are going to bitch and moan how the corporations run the world. All the while doing nothing because you say stupid shit on Twitter or Facebook, or because you dropped acid and freaked out at age 19. Or it's just because you like to complain.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, running a country is no easy job, many have tried and so few have left office revered (remember when they considered renaming Canada's largest mountain after PET? )
So carry on with your left wing propaganda, I will lurk in the shadows laughing. Most of all though, get out there and vote on the 19th, even if you spoil your ballot, because above everything else I believe in democracy.
Cheers! Oh yeah and 27 days till I see PJ in Santiago. I'm so blessed... What a great country we live in.
and makes jokes about saying "stupid shit" because they did drugs at a young age, something they have previously admitted to.
and pigeon holes people into one ideology and way of thinking, with little to no evidence of that, all the while doing the same themselves.
I think someone lives under a bridge.
But I live under a bridge yes. Downtown. I drew some blood. This city she loves me
I am not sure why you continue to attack me personally, but I'm generally surprised by your lack of understanding that a young man makes mistakes and your general lack of a sense of humour.
not a personal attack. your little point by point presentation required a response, since it was so full of vitriol. all of it wrong, by the way.
read carefully. we all make mistakes. some of us just don't judge and get all high and mighty when others do the same.
And it was over because thirty called a truce. We had moved on, you stayed behind.
"All of it wrong" Yeesh... It is wrong that I am fine with the way thing are? How can you tell me how I feel is wrong? You honestly don't think I'm a Harper supporter... commmme on.
Have you been open to any praise of our PM at all? Really?
Because of your lack of objectivity whatsoever, I cannot do anything but laugh
he is running ads in papers saying that Trudeau is going to give pot to children, that he is going to open brothels, and all this other nonsense. how you run a desperate campaign shows your true colours. he's knows he's in trouble, and it ain't pretty.
I personally believe that all levels of income should be paying the same percentage. But I also think saying the rich take all the risks is ludicrous. all entrepreneurs take risks, and those with less to gain and more to lose end up taking more risk than those with a fluffy bank account.
shark tank/dragon's den is a horrible example. those guys have money to burn, and they are investing pennies to drag a carrot in front of a donkey in search of a dream. most of which don't even come to fruition. they remind me of the Million Dollar Man in wrestling from years ago. Here's the money, now dance! it's a hobby for those guys and an ego boost to get celebrity.
Am I absolutely thrilled about Trudeau? no. I'm the same as you........in a way.....I'm not thrilled about any of the candidates. But I know who I don't want in office. Mulcair or Harper. And the Green Party has zero chance, and to be honest, I don't even know their platform this time out. Which I will research before I vote, but as it stands, Liberals it is.
as an aside, I'm not concerned about your level of respect for me. you want to keep personal shots out of it? then keep personal shots out of it.
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Interesting advance poll numbers in the Victoria riding (the riding next to ours) - more than three times the number of advance poll ballots were cast in this election compared to the last, and there were also very high turnouts in several of the other Vancouver Island ridings. Obviously a lot of interest, even passion, in this election; we may actually get a respectable voter turn out (and FYI I just read that our riding had a whopping 75% voter turn out in the last election, the second highest in the country).
It sounds like everyone posting in this thread so far intends to vote; I don't think we've seen any of the "there's no point in voting, nothing changes" nihilism that sometimes enters the American election threads. Get out and vote if you haven't already.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
And also, I for one am just pleased I finally have a "pet name", too.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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It's also unfair to characterize the wealthy as daring, brave, cutting edge risk takers. Most wealthy people I know slid into a business that their daddy built. Further... others have gotten wealthy raping the environment: as far as I'm concerned... you owe the earth and the people on it something if you're scarring it for your living- especially when the earth is making you lucratively rich. Yes... these people should pay more- especially when harvesting finite resources.
And for the record... I'm doing just fine. If Harper got re-elected I wouldn't notice much of a difference. But I'm tired of his ignorance towards the average Canadian and his efforts to play the staunch Republican politician.
Lastly... I agree with Hugh that the level of personal attacks have crossed the line, but I have been patient to now because I understand why. You see... aspects of emotional intelligence include self assessment and self awareness. If you are weak in these areas... your EQ is low. That's significant when trying to relate to others and it partially explains the childish taunting that has reared its head in this thread: it's a by product of weakness."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I seriously doubt I'm needed for people to be able to connect you to your past online activity when you're trying to lead a federal political party, lol.1ThoughtKnown said:
Why? So you can dig up these old posts and put them on Twatter?PJ_Soul said:What is your name 1ThoughtKnown? I'd like to know for when you run for office.
I won't make it that easy for you, since you are a socialist superhero, I'll let you figure it out. Do a 10 club hack. Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I wasn't defending him, I agree with some things he has done. I agree with some of his policies. Everyone arguing with me merely points out everything he has done wrong.HughFreakingDillon said:
I personally don't give a shit who you are voting for. nor has anyone stated they think you are voting Harper that I've seen. the only reason people are talking about Harper is because you are defending him. I don't think he's all evil. I think the viral picture of half his face and half Hitler's is disgusting; not only completely untrue, it's degrading to the victims of Hitler's rule. BUT he IS eroding Canada's identity and his office is moving closer and closer to becoming a dictatorship that is answerable to no one. a PM that refuses to answer questions to the press is a terrible leader. and that's but one example. he also alligns himself with the Ford brothers. he is staunchly opposed to legalizing marijiuana, yet surrounds himself with liars and drug addicts and buffoons. I simply can't respect that.1ThoughtKnown said:
Puhhhhhhlease. All you are doing is piling on. I actually had more respect for you.HughFreakingDillon said:
all laid to rest? because you say so? alrighty then.1ThoughtKnown said:PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Harper at least promises not to raise taxes.
Turdo will run deficits
New Disaster Party will just do whatever with the economy and see what sticks
The Green Party will propose we recycle all money in order to use it twice.
Not going to respond to everything you posted, because it was all laid to rest and you picked up the ball and reiterated the same waste of time arguments.HughFreakingDillon said:
I've always found it quite interesting when I see someone comes on the internet to argue and then make fun of people who come on the internet to argue?1ThoughtKnown said:So to recap everything... As I take a break from here again as I can only handle so much of the uber left wing rhetoric and silly posts of other people views and links to news stories from the watered down media we already read:
1) I've never once said who I am going to vote for
2) you are all convinced I am voting for Harper
3) some think I am hypocrite because I learned from my mistakes (interestingly, I went to the Lethbridge Food Bank four times as a student and I send them $100 every year, I don't forget)
4) if anyone doesn't agree with people who think Harper is pure evil that person is wrong
5) it appears people who lean far to the left are extremely closed minded. To the point of a lack of respect of any view which isn't consistent of their own
6) not one of you know me, but you have many assumptions.. Good for you
7) the internet isn't real and all of you are wasting your time arguing here while doing NOTHING
8) I am fine with the way things are and I don't want to pay more taxes.
No matter who wins and takes hold of the government, you are going to complain. Then you are going to bitch and moan how the corporations run the world. All the while doing nothing because you say stupid shit on Twitter or Facebook, or because you dropped acid and freaked out at age 19. Or it's just because you like to complain.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, running a country is no easy job, many have tried and so few have left office revered (remember when they considered renaming Canada's largest mountain after PET? )
So carry on with your left wing propaganda, I will lurk in the shadows laughing. Most of all though, get out there and vote on the 19th, even if you spoil your ballot, because above everything else I believe in democracy.
Cheers! Oh yeah and 27 days till I see PJ in Santiago. I'm so blessed... What a great country we live in.
and makes jokes about saying "stupid shit" because they did drugs at a young age, something they have previously admitted to.
and pigeon holes people into one ideology and way of thinking, with little to no evidence of that, all the while doing the same themselves.
I think someone lives under a bridge.
But I live under a bridge yes. Downtown. I drew some blood. This city she loves me
I am not sure why you continue to attack me personally, but I'm generally surprised by your lack of understanding that a young man makes mistakes and your general lack of a sense of humour.
not a personal attack. your little point by point presentation required a response, since it was so full of vitriol. all of it wrong, by the way.
read carefully. we all make mistakes. some of us just don't judge and get all high and mighty when others do the same.
And it was over because thirty called a truce. We had moved on, you stayed behind.
"All of it wrong" Yeesh... It is wrong that I am fine with the way thing are? How can you tell me how I feel is wrong? You honestly don't think I'm a Harper supporter... commmme on.
Have you been open to any praise of our PM at all? Really?
Because of your lack of objectivity whatsoever, I cannot do anything but laugh
he is running ads in papers saying that Trudeau is going to give pot to children, that he is going to open brothels, and all this other nonsense. how you run a desperate campaign shows your true colours. he's knows he's in trouble, and it ain't pretty.
I personally believe that all levels of income should be paying the same percentage. But I also think saying the rich take all the risks is ludicrous. all entrepreneurs take risks, and those with less to gain and more to lose end up taking more risk than those with a fluffy bank account.
shark tank/dragon's den is a horrible example. those guys have money to burn, and they are investing pennies to drag a carrot in front of a donkey in search of a dream. most of which don't even come to fruition. they remind me of the Million Dollar Man in wrestling from years ago. Here's the money, now dance! it's a hobby for those guys and an ego boost to get celebrity.
Am I absolutely thrilled about Trudeau? no. I'm the same as you........in a way.....I'm not thrilled about any of the candidates. But I know who I don't want in office. Mulcair or Harper. And the Green Party has zero chance, and to be honest, I don't even know their platform this time out. Which I will research before I vote, but as it stands, Liberals it is.
as an aside, I'm not concerned about your level of respect for me. you want to keep personal shots out of it? then keep personal shots out of it.
The whole time (I'll say this again) I have mentioned reasons I don't like him and some of his policies.
Be a pretty boring discussion if it was all anti-Harper. Be pretty one-sided. I get personal when the person doesn't read my post and merely post antagonistic left wing rhetoric. Or cuts and pastes someone else's opinion.
So I became a target when one person continually ignored most things posted and continually focussed on items they felt best served their anti-conservative views (and it blew up on them, which I deem to be idiocy, the act of a meathead, etc. Etc.
It certainly wasn't intelligent, so I Lowered myself to the antagonistic level this thread was dropping to. Since you like to review the history perhaps you should do proper research and go back to the beginning.
But you won't, because it won't help you agenda, which is getting votes for Trudeau
Edit: politics is a dirty game, and Trudeau looks like a pussy to me. All about feelings and Canadians vs Canadians. Played a lot of sports and worked a lot of places, never had much success being lead by a pussy.Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on0 -
"never had much success being led by a pussy"
A very mature, intelligent, not meat-headed observation!
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I may have to change my minority prediction if this momentum continues. The ABC vote is real and when it begins to swing we could see a collapse for the NDP
the Liberals at 37.1 per cent support
the Conservatives at 29.4 per cent support
the NDP at 23.7 per cent support
the Green Party at 4.3 per cent support
the Bloc Quebecois at 5 per cent support
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-tracking-liberals-hit-election-high-1.26107320 -
The headline captures it well.dignin said:I may have to change my minority prediction if this momentum continues. The ABC vote is real and when it begins to swing we could see a collapse for the NDP
the Liberals at 37.1 per cent support
the Conservatives at 29.4 per cent support
the NDP at 23.7 per cent support
the Green Party at 4.3 per cent support
the Bloc Quebecois at 5 per cent support
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-tracking-liberals-hit-election-high-1.2610732
All the stoners are for turdo.
Once the munchies are gone tonight the reality will sink in.
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dignin said:
The hypocrisy is unbelievable, but we made him do it, we forced him into the mudslinging.rgambs said:"never had much success being led by a pussy"
A very mature, intelligent, not meat-headed observation!
Were a bad bunch of pinko canucks.
Wonder what the reaction would be if I called Harper a pussy? Sorry I touched a nerve, but I picture Turdo turtling in front of Putin. I mean, like literally kissing his ass.
That's just the way I see it. He's a male bimbo. He's a mimbo!
I have not heard anything from him except he wants to throw us into debt.
At least Mulcair stands for something. I have to be honest, the more the CBC plays his BS and the more I read on these boards, the more I hate Turdo.
But he will only have a minority and even Mulcair won't get into bed with an idiot (gotta give him credit for that at least)0 -
I e got nothing against pot, in fact I Find Harper's minimum sentences appalling.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
The headline captures it well.dignin said:I may have to change my minority prediction if this momentum continues. The ABC vote is real and when it begins to swing we could see a collapse for the NDP
the Liberals at 37.1 per cent support
the Conservatives at 29.4 per cent support
the NDP at 23.7 per cent support
the Green Party at 4.3 per cent support
the Bloc Quebecois at 5 per cent support
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-tracking-liberals-hit-election-high-1.2610732
All the stoners are for turdo.
Once the munchies are gone tonight the reality will sink in.
ABC - Always Be Conservative.
But like any negotiation, sometimes you gotta give a little. Fact is, pot is illegal. I don't do it, but I have in my younger days.
Did I get motivated after I quit? You bet. But everyone is different. I have pothead friends who have done real well.
Legalizing marijuana will only lead to shitty pot
That's what they tell me anyways
ABL - always be libertarian!!Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on0 -
current projections ... could live with this ... hopefully, needing the support of the ndp means a repel of bill c-51
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/poll-tracker/2015/index.html0
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