Pearl Jam 2015 NYC Poster -Transformers sale TODAY, SEPT 24 AT 4:00PM (PST)

tempo_n_groove · September 2015

So the "Silver" edition will be the hot ticket item…

I'm going to cancel my Gold order. There HAS to be 300+ of the gold version.

But! They are donating the money. That must be a lot of coin. That is a good thing.

on2legs · September 2015

Doesn't this happen with other artists and they just cancel the excess orders? I think their intentions are good but this is a lousy solution. The print is only worth $250 because it was supposed to be extemely limited. No mass produced poster is worth $250 from the get go.

whoyouare72 · September 2015

PSUS2H said:
10c is probably like thank god this isnt something we are taking heat for ha ha

LOL

Hoccapuk · September 2015

Anyone email Ames about the run size and get a response yet?

Agree $250 for what may now be a huge run is ludacris!

PSUS2H · September 2015

Better yet, someone better give them a buzz OTP. however they probably sent that email and went home for the weekend.

PP193448 · September 2015

So I still don't know why the hell they can't say how many were to be sold initially, look at the order numbers, say if it's like 50 then sell the first 50 orders, then the rest refund. That would have been too easy...

So instead let's not upset anyone, and just sell more. Oh, well. Just probably meant that I shouldn't buy posters anymore.

ryanjp2323 · September 2015

Ames blew this whole Gold variant deal twice now.

I'm giving them till Monday to appease me and the masses with a proper solution or at least a full disclosure of the original print run, actual print run, and gross donation they are making to Vitalogy.

If no new developments I'm cancelling this order with them and they've permanently lost me as a customer.

PP193448 · September 2015

^this

PSUS2H · September 2015

Has anyone canceled with them in the past? How are they with it?

dfishberg · September 2015

Assuming it was a large run, they could probably charge $50 a poster and still make a nice donation to Vitalogy Foundation.

PP193448 · September 2015

Their website return policy says
No refunds or exchanges for posters.

PSUS2H · September 2015

PP193448 said:
Their website return policy says
No refunds or exchanges for posters.

Interesting, but it doesn't address order cancellations.

ryanjp2323 · September 2015

PSUS2H said:

PP193448 said:
Their website return policy says
No refunds or exchanges for posters.
Interesting, but it doesn't address order cancellations.

Under these current circumstances cancelling an order is entirely reasonable regardless of their posted policy. I paid with VISA as well so there is recourse there if needed. Bottom line is not receiving what was advertised at time of sale.

I'm not upset by what i paid, what the end print run is etc... I like the gold version and went for it first. If I didnt get in in time to get one of the ORIGINAL HANDFUL, and there isnt any other reasonable options for replacement print / partial refund etc... i want my money back.

They handled this so poorly on so many levels and it looks like they simply don't want to entertain the task of processing credits.

themessenger · September 2015

What a shit show. I emailed to cancel too. I'll give them a few days to honor the cancellation or I'll file a paypal claim as well.

tempo_n_groove · September 2015

The Gold version was a misrepresentation. Falsely advertised. They changed the title AFTER THE FACT!!!
Of course you can cancel your order.

lotsalemon · September 2015

tempo_n_groove said:
The Gold version was a misrepresentation. Falsely advertised. They changed the title AFTER THE FACT!!!
Of course you can cancel your order.

I was right I guess about it being a shitshow before the drop even happened!

I don't know what to make of the whole thing - I understand they are doing what they think is right, but not disclosing the print run and giving the option to opt out is kinda bad.

Which probably means, a majority of people would opt out if they knew the numbers. And that's a lot of money they lose.

Dead Man Walking · September 2015

So everyone likes the gold variant one if it's limited to a low number, but if its run is increased and the additional money goes to charity then everyone wants a refund?

Where am I?

lotsalemon · September 2015

It was advertised as a handful of prints. People - myself included - bought it because of the low print number. It was $250. I'm fine with the money going to a charity, but at least tell us how many of these fuckers are gonna be printed.

On the other hand, I've personally donated a fair amount of money towards the Vitalogy Foundation, and maybe I'd like my extra to go towards something else.

arq · September 2015

Dead Man Walking said:
So everyone likes the gold variant one if it's limited to a low number, but if its run is increased and the additional money goes to charity then everyone wants a refund?

Where am I?

Problem is people paid a premium for a more limited version of the print, if they're going to change the description why I'm not allowed to to change my mind if I don't want the print anymore?

scurtis · September 2015

arq said:

Dead Man Walking said:
So everyone likes the gold variant one if it's limited to a low number, but if its run is increased and the additional money goes to charity then everyone wants a refund?

Where am I?
Problem is people paid a premium for a more limited version of the print, if they're going to change the description why I'm not allowed to to change my mind if I don't want the print anymore?

Exactly, no one who bought this would be cool with this outcome.

MayDay10 · September 2015

Dead Man Walking said:
So everyone likes the gold variant one if it's limited to a low number, but if its run is increased and the additional money goes to charity then everyone wants a refund?

Where am I?

A really shitty place.

tempo_n_groove · September 2015

What's funny is people are going to gamble on how many of these were actually printed and who cancelled.
There will be more gamblers than cancels...

pdalowsky · September 2015

If as many cancel as it seems from reading here they will this could end up a print with a run of a handful !!

dimitrispearljam · September 2015

Want to add this to the thread..there was a thread at official facebook ten club members about t
prices of posters when artist sale at their websites..alot complain or said its very expensive the transformers ones..someone mention Don Pendleton and said he will not do the same when his posters go on sale
This is the 2 comment of Don Pendleton to the conversation.
1.
"I appreciate the vote of confidence...Value vs. price is a tough thing to manage as an artist. I try my best to be fair where pricing is involved but I have a publisher that sells my prints and I'm obligated to maintain a certain level of value, both for collector's sake and for the sake of those who sell my work.

The first print I ever did in 2000 sold for $55, signed and numbered, an edition of 50. I've spent a lot of time trying to build the value of my work over those 15 years…like other artists, I've taken chances and risks to be able to do it full time.

So while there has to be a balance, like with every other career, there has to be some kind of return. This is all I do…painting and occasional freelance work. I don't have any steady income, I only do 3-4 prints per year and so all of that factors in.

I realize most who buy this one (and other PJ prints) do so because of the association with the band only. And I'm cool with that. It's just the desire to be fair vs. maintaining a certain established price that can make it difficult.

So that's the long and short of it…at this point, after struggling for years to get solo shows, I've had a solo museum exhibit, there's been a grammy now…I think anyone who has been doing the same job for 20+ years would agree that if you are making the same amount now that you did when you started, it would be pretty disappointing on a professional level.

I'm not sure when I'll receive my prints but before I set a price, I want to be able to physically look at the quality of the printing and the paper and it'll be a price that is consistent with my other work.

It's a releveant conversation to have and I'm glad that it gets discussed."

2.
It's absolutely a fair question to ask by collectors and fans…and I think artist's should address it when it comes up so again, I appreciate you bringing my name into the discussion."

tino_11 · September 2015

I don't know why people are so shocked that people are unhappy that it's a larger print run than expected. This is why art prints are numbered in the first place! Those who went for gold paid a premium for the exclusivity of that edition, now that isn't the case they have every right to a full refund, I know I would have.

Very poor by Ames to let this happen and provide this 'solution' IMO. They should now let people know how many orders there were and offer a refund to all involved.

pdalowsky · September 2015

DP comes across as a top notch artist

To be honest I don't know how anyone can justify charging $250 right off the bat. It's ripping off the folks who really want that piece for their wall, to combat those who are buying purely to flip.

I get that the balance is difficult and I get the notion it's better the artist benefits than anyone else but $250 for a piece that hasn't yet entered the market - the starting price is IMO very very high. Of course enough people jumped on it to justify the pricing but it doesn't take away from the underlying issue of how much is enough ?

130 at $100
85 at $200
And god knows how many at $250

The merch environment is so hyped the fans were always going to get taken advantage of. And here it starts.

But then who can fault someone for cashing in on demand ... That is after all the society we live in.

Just seemed an absolute cash grab.

pdalowsky · September 2015

I hope they come out really really nice for those who did buy...

elwayvedder · September 2015

Email Ames and request a refund as well as open a dispute with PayPal in their Resolution Center. Figured it cannot hurt to do both as this was beyond misleading and both a bad business decision and a poor customer service experience. The customer in the end should always feel good about their purchasing experience and not be mislead on what exactly they are purchasing (especially when it comes to collectibles and $250)

Weston1283 · September 2015

Hmmm.... Not sure how I feel about this one. I'm all for my money going to charity, but would feel better if I paid $100 instead of $250...

An appropriate solution would have been:
Tell us how many were printed
Refund us $150 each (so we spend $100 on each one)
Ames donates $50 of each poster sold to vitalogy, keeps $50

I just think it's too expensive of an item for them to be like "whoops, sorry, well atleast your money is going to charity"

Hoccapuk · September 2015

Weston1283 said:
Hmmm.... Not sure how I feel about this one. I'm all for my money going to charity, but would feel better if I paid $100 instead of $250...

An appropriate solution would have been:
Tell us how many were printed
Refund us $150 each (so we spend $100 on each one)
Ames donates $50 of each poster sold to vitalogy, keeps $50

I just think it's too expensive of an item for them to be like "whoops, sorry, well atleast your money is going to charity"

This is a good idea

Pearl Jam 2015 NYC Poster -Transformers sale TODAY, SEPT 24 AT 4:00PM (PST)

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