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If the intent of the sanctions is to end their nuclear aspirations, then you are just plain wrong. The current estimate to "breakout" is from 2 months to 2 years maximum. If this deal goes through and is adhered to, that would extend the estimate by several years.Jason P said:The sanctions are doing exactly as intended or Iran would not be trying to negotiate.
If I'm the person who enforced sanctions, only to see the sanctions go as planed, why would I negotiate to end them without attaining my goal?
Here would be my negotiation: End your nuclear program, and I lift the sanctions. I hold all the cards.
If the deal doesn't go through they will have the bomb sooner... That's why this opposition to the deal is asinine. It is partisan baloney that is based on fearmongering intended to keep the Middle East destabilized for our economic (oil) interests.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
What is really ignorant is these buffoons on the right are completely ignoring the P5+1 JPOA that was put in place in November of 2013 which has already reduced Iran's nuclear capacity and with which Iran is largely complying.
It's all a big stage-drama, and folks like BS have their popcorn at the ready.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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From what I have read and heard the POTUS can ease the sanctions imposed on Iran, but he can not lift them entirely. The POTUS has to go through the Senate to permanently lift the sanctions. I just found this letter dated March 2015
That is fine but a small problem, The POTUS can only partially lift the sanctions, for the sanction to go away all together Congress has to be involved. The POTUS current or future cannot lift the sanctions alone.Jason P said:The sanctions are doing exactly as intended or Iran would not be trying to negotiate.
If I'm the person who enforced sanctions, only to see the sanctions go as planed, why would I negotiate to end them without attaining my goal?
Here would be my negotiation: End your nuclear program, and I lift the sanctions. I hold all the cards.
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No time for popcorn...I got a mystery box of vinyl to get ready for.rgambs said:What is really ignorant is these buffoons on the right are completely ignoring the P5+1 JPOA that was put in place in November of 2013 which has already reduced Iran's nuclear capacity and with which Iran is largely complying.
It's all a big stage-drama, and folks like BS have their popcorn at the ready.0 -
Where the deal stands right now
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A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
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Hahahaha, he keeps trying H2M. You have to give him credit. Or notHalifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=0 -
There's also this interesting article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11517703/Obama-Iran-nuclear-deal-will-not-weaken-US-support-for-Israel.htmlPost edited by i_lov_it on0 -
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=0 -
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.Post edited by badbrains on0 -
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.0 -
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.0 -
If we stay on the path we are on war will be inevitable. If and when it begins I suggest we win it.badbrains said:
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.0 -
You have to be careful about advocating for peace here, bb. I had people wanting to crucify me last year for advocating for peace.badbrains said:
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
You're sick. You live in fucken Canada and are drooling for a war with America and Iran. Why? What the fuck is wrong with you?BS44325 said:
If we stay on the path we are on war will be inevitable. If and when it begins I suggest we win it.badbrains said:
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.0 -
I hear ya Brian. Lucky for us it's only one fucken guy salivating on the idea of bombing Iran. That's a fucken sickness.brianlux said:
You have to be careful about advocating for peace here, bb. I had people wanting to crucify me last year for advocating for peace.badbrains said:
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.0 -
BS44325 said:
If we stay on the path we are on war will be inevitable. If and when it begins I suggest we win it.badbrains said:
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.
Only nobody really wins, right?
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Correctbrianlux said:BS44325 said:
If we stay on the path we are on war will be inevitable. If and when it begins I suggest we win it.badbrains said:
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.
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So that begs the question- why do we keep doing engaging in war?BS44325 said:
Correctbrianlux said:BS44325 said:
If we stay on the path we are on war will be inevitable. If and when it begins I suggest we win it.badbrains said:
Lucky it was only 4. Anyone who advocates for war is fucken crazy. There's one more.BS44325 said:
Four F-words in one post. Good work.badbrains said:
A message board full of people who want NO MORE WARS and one clown advocating for and spreading the war machine. It's fucken sickening how anyone would want another war. You are one twisted human. Drooling at the prospect of another fucken war to benefit who? Exactly.BS44325 said:
It is indicative of where the politics of this is moving. Brooks is/was Obama's biggest supporter on the mainstream media "conservative" side. The Corker bill will move forward probably with a likely veto-proof bipartisan majority (see response of Tim Kaine for proof). The "deal" which appears to be a mirage is probably dead. The question now will be how does Obama respond? He could blame Iran for the failure and drop the hammer or he can blame Israel and the 47 "treasonous" senators. I know which way this message board will go but let's see what the president does.Halifax2TheMax said:
A David Brooks opinion piece is not indicative of "where the deal stands right now."BS44325 said:Where the deal stands right now
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-revolution-lives.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0&referrer=
Edit-you want a fucken war, then stop being a fucken coward and enlist. If you're to old then have your son/daughter enlist and have your family well represented there.
Only nobody really wins, right?
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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