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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Again, hypocrisy is great Isnt it?
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


    Of course it doesn't. Just looking for some intelligent commentary from those who are actually interested in preventing Iran from going nuclear.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


    Of course it doesn't. Just looking for some intelligent commentary from those who are actually interested in preventing Iran from going nuclear.
    Isn't that what Obama is basically trying to do? Oh that's right, he's muslim and WANTS iran to have nukes. How could we forget.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    Iran has not agreed to inspections.

    http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940119001411

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/04/08/iran-military-sites-off-limits-to-inspectors/


    The deal is a farce.

    Interesting, but not definitive.
    This reads alot like propaganda:
    "The US which was seeking to change Iran's political behavior was forced to change its political behavior towards our people,"
    "The comments made after the Lausanne negotiations once again showed the United States' strong grudge against the Iranians and proved that the US officials are liars and untrustworthy,"

    Sounds like a bunch of "talkin out the ass", much like the way folks like Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin push ballsy rhetoric that is more about inflammatory language than reality or truth.

    It will be interesting to see what the agreement that is signed will say, until then it's hard to say who's the liar, probably both sides.
    Of course, the radical right says there will never be a piece of paper signed, and even if there were, we wouldn't see it because Obama is a tyrant.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


    Of course it doesn't. Just looking for some intelligent commentary from those who are actually interested in preventing Iran from going nuclear.
    Isn't that what Obama is basically trying to do? Oh that's right, he's muslim and WANTS iran to have nukes. How could we forget.
    That is what Obama is trying to do. You are arguing that Iran should have a bomb as a counterweight to Israel. You two are not on the same page.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Iran has not agreed to inspections.

    http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940119001411

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/04/08/iran-military-sites-off-limits-to-inspectors/


    The deal is a farce.

    Interesting, but not definitive.
    This reads alot like propaganda:
    "The US which was seeking to change Iran's political behavior was forced to change its political behavior towards our people,"
    "The comments made after the Lausanne negotiations once again showed the United States' strong grudge against the Iranians and proved that the US officials are liars and untrustworthy,"

    Sounds like a bunch of "talkin out the ass", much like the way folks like Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin push ballsy rhetoric that is more about inflammatory language than reality or truth.

    It will be interesting to see what the agreement that is signed will say, until then it's hard to say who's the liar, probably both sides.
    Of course, the radical right says there will never be a piece of paper signed, and even if there were, we wouldn't see it because Obama is a tyrant.
    You are right that both sides are probably lying. That is my whole point. How can anyone be cheering an agreement when there doesn't appear to be an agreement at all?
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    edited April 2015
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


    Of course it doesn't. Just looking for some intelligent commentary from those who are actually interested in preventing Iran from going nuclear.
    Isn't that what Obama is basically trying to do? Oh that's right, he's muslim and WANTS iran to have nukes. How could we forget.
    That is what Obama is trying to do. You are arguing that Iran should have a bomb as a counterweight to Israel. You two are not on the same page.
    Oh so now you're speaking for me too? I never said iran SHOULD have a fucken nuke you fucken dellusional? You just can't seem to see the hypocrisy of you supporting a regime that's crying all over the world about iran "trying" to get a nuke all the while they themselves have over 200 said nukes. Do you not understand that everyone knows this and sees this? As smart as you claim to be, you do post some dumb shit. And I can careless if I'm on the same page as obama. I'm sure he can give 2 shits where any of us stand. Wake the fuck up. Stop being dellusional and filled with hate towards a religion and people.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


    Of course it doesn't. Just looking for some intelligent commentary from those who are actually interested in preventing Iran from going nuclear.
    Isn't that what Obama is basically trying to do? Oh that's right, he's muslim and WANTS iran to have nukes. How could we forget.
    That is what Obama is trying to do. You are arguing that Iran should have a bomb as a counterweight to Israel. You two are not on the same page.
    Oh so now you're speaking for me too? I never said iran SHOULD have a fucken nuke you fucken dellusional? You just can't seem to see the hypocrisy of you supporting a regime that's crying all over the world about iran "trying" to get a nuke all the while they themselves have over 200 said nukes. Do you not understand that everyone knows this and sees this? As smart as you claim to be, you do post some dumb shit. And I can careless if I'm on the same page as obama. I'm sure he can give 2 shits where any of us stand. Wake the fuck up. Stop being dellusional and filled with hate towards a religion and people.
    Well should they or shouldn't they? You keep dodging that by bringing up Israel. Israel has them. We know that. Now what are your thoughts on Iran? Should they be stopped from getting one? Do you care?
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


    Of course it doesn't. Just looking for some intelligent commentary from those who are actually interested in preventing Iran from going nuclear.
    Isn't that what Obama is basically trying to do? Oh that's right, he's muslim and WANTS iran to have nukes. How could we forget.
    That is what Obama is trying to do. You are arguing that Iran should have a bomb as a counterweight to Israel. You two are not on the same page.
    Oh so now you're speaking for me too? I never said iran SHOULD have a fucken nuke you fucken dellusional? You just can't seem to see the hypocrisy of you supporting a regime that's crying all over the world about iran "trying" to get a nuke all the while they themselves have over 200 said nukes. Do you not understand that everyone knows this and sees this? As smart as you claim to be, you do post some dumb shit. And I can careless if I'm on the same page as obama. I'm sure he can give 2 shits where any of us stand. Wake the fuck up. Stop being dellusional and filled with hate towards a religion and people.
    Well should they or shouldn't they? You keep dodging that by bringing up Israel. Israel has them. We know that. Now what are your thoughts on Iran? Should they be stopped from getting one? Do you care?
    Who am I to say what another country should or should not do. In my opinion iran and the entire world should NOT have any nukes. Is that clear enough for you? Here, I'll say it again. Iran and the entire world should NOT have any nukes period. As for do I care? I care more then you'll ever know and more then you'll ever care. Remember, I'm not the one advocating for the us to drop bombs on Iran. Can u say the same?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    BS44325 said:

    callen said:

    BS44325 said:

    badbrains said:

    Hypocrisy is great isn't it?

    As stated earlier this thread is mainly for those who don't think Iran should have a bomb and my comment is speaking to those who feel this particular deal is the right approach. You are indifferent and possibly even supportive of a nuclear Iran so feel free to start a Help Iran Go Nuclear thread.
    Doesn't work that way.


    Of course it doesn't. Just looking for some intelligent commentary from those who are actually interested in preventing Iran from going nuclear.
    Isn't that what Obama is basically trying to do? Oh that's right, he's muslim and WANTS iran to have nukes. How could we forget.
    That is what Obama is trying to do. You are arguing that Iran should have a bomb as a counterweight to Israel. You two are not on the same page.
    Oh so now you're speaking for me too? I never said iran SHOULD have a fucken nuke you fucken dellusional? You just can't seem to see the hypocrisy of you supporting a regime that's crying all over the world about iran "trying" to get a nuke all the while they themselves have over 200 said nukes. Do you not understand that everyone knows this and sees this? As smart as you claim to be, you do post some dumb shit. And I can careless if I'm on the same page as obama. I'm sure he can give 2 shits where any of us stand. Wake the fuck up. Stop being dellusional and filled with hate towards a religion and people.
    Well should they or shouldn't they? You keep dodging that by bringing up Israel. Israel has them. We know that. Now what are your thoughts on Iran? Should they be stopped from getting one? Do you care?
    Who am I to say what another country should or should not do. In my opinion iran and the entire world should NOT have any nukes. Is that clear enough for you? Here, I'll say it again. Iran and the entire world should NOT have any nukes period. As for do I care? I care more then you'll ever know and more then you'll ever care. Remember, I'm not the one advocating for the us to drop bombs on Iran. Can u say the same?
    I can say the same...for now. My problem is that I think "the deal" pushes the world much closer to confrontation. The Saudi's are now calling in Pakistani back-up against the houthis. A major sunni-shia flare up is far more likely then an Israeli-Iranian flare up. This would be a disaster.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    no deal means they continue on the path they were clearly already on at greater capacity for enrichment of not only uranium but plutonium as well. well beyond the 20% enrichment levels they are reported to be at now.

    so lets just call the whole thing off , shall we?
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  • BS44325
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    mickeyrat said:

    no deal means they continue on the path they were clearly already on at greater capacity for enrichment of not only uranium but plutonium as well. well beyond the 20% enrichment levels they are reported to be at now.

    so lets just call the whole thing off , shall we?

    Yes. That and crushing sanctions. Complete economic isolation. Naval blockade. Roll back of current expansion in Iraq and Yemen. Promote the Green revolution.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    Sanctions got them to the table. Sanctions didnt stop their program.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited April 2015
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    no deal means they continue on the path they were clearly already on at greater capacity for enrichment of not only uranium but plutonium as well. well beyond the 20% enrichment levels they are reported to be at now.

    so lets just call the whole thing off , shall we?

    Yes. That and crushing sanctions. Complete economic isolation. Naval blockade. Roll back of current expansion in Iraq and Yemen. Promote the Green revolution.
    Crushing sanctions in Iraq killed Over half a million children, and culminated in war anyway. That's the best you can come up with?
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    no deal means they continue on the path they were clearly already on at greater capacity for enrichment of not only uranium but plutonium as well. well beyond the 20% enrichment levels they are reported to be at now.

    so lets just call the whole thing off , shall we?

    Yes. That and crushing sanctions. Complete economic isolation. Naval blockade. Roll back of current expansion in Iraq and Yemen. Promote the Green revolution.
    Crushing sanctions in Iraq killed Over half a million children, and culminated in war anyway. That's the best you can come up with?
    His other option is to have the U.S. Bomb the shit out of them. That'll solve everything.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    no deal means they continue on the path they were clearly already on at greater capacity for enrichment of not only uranium but plutonium as well. well beyond the 20% enrichment levels they are reported to be at now.

    so lets just call the whole thing off , shall we?

    Yes. That and crushing sanctions. Complete economic isolation. Naval blockade. Roll back of current expansion in Iraq and Yemen. Promote the Green revolution.
    Crushing sanctions in Iraq killed Over half a million children, and culminated in war anyway. That's the best you can come up with?
    If it's that or a nuclear Iran then yes. A nuclear Iran will be far worse.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    no deal means they continue on the path they were clearly already on at greater capacity for enrichment of not only uranium but plutonium as well. well beyond the 20% enrichment levels they are reported to be at now.

    so lets just call the whole thing off , shall we?

    Yes. That and crushing sanctions. Complete economic isolation. Naval blockade. Roll back of current expansion in Iraq and Yemen. Promote the Green revolution.
    Crushing sanctions in Iraq killed Over half a million children, and culminated in war anyway. That's the best you can come up with?
    If it's that or a nuclear Iran then yes. A nuclear Iran will be far worse.
    Please tell me you're talking weapons and not energy.
    If you're talking weapons...You think killing half a million kids is justified against the possibility repeat possibility that Iran can circumvent inspections and build a bomb. And then, the possibility (possibility) that the Iranians will be the second nation with leaders stupid and psychotic enough to use a nuke...and the first to take that stupid psychosis to the next level by being the first nation to use a nuke since the MAD doctrine became reality? you have no faith whatsoever in the humanity of iran, and absolute faith that the motives of the west revolve around security, am I reading this correctly? This is your view, to the point that these incredibly low odds are worth the lives of a half million Iranian kids...is that what you're saying BS?

    If you're talking energy...well...I'll keep the personal comments to myself.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    no deal means they continue on the path they were clearly already on at greater capacity for enrichment of not only uranium but plutonium as well. well beyond the 20% enrichment levels they are reported to be at now.

    so lets just call the whole thing off , shall we?

    Yes. That and crushing sanctions. Complete economic isolation. Naval blockade. Roll back of current expansion in Iraq and Yemen. Promote the Green revolution.
    Crushing sanctions in Iraq killed Over half a million children, and culminated in war anyway. That's the best you can come up with?
    If it's that or a nuclear Iran then yes. A nuclear Iran will be far worse.
    Please tell me you're talking weapons and not energy.
    If you're talking weapons...You think killing half a million kids is justified against the possibility repeat possibility that Iran can circumvent inspections and build a bomb. And then, the possibility (possibility) that the Iranians will be the second nation with leaders stupid and psychotic enough to use a nuke...and the first to take that stupid psychosis to the next level by being the first nation to use a nuke since the MAD doctrine became reality? you have no faith whatsoever in the humanity of iran, and absolute faith that the motives of the west revolve around security, am I reading this correctly? This is your view, to the point that these incredibly low odds are worth the lives of a half million Iranian kids...is that what you're saying BS?

    If you're talking energy...well...I'll keep the personal comments to myself.
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