Obama Care and Stupid American Voters ?
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ACA caused us to switch prescription drug carriers and has made it much more difficult to get even the basic of procedures done because of some pharmacist thinking he can make more educated decisions over my doctor. Remember when health care was based on what was best for the patient? I do, it was before this law.0
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I'd disagree that health care was that much better before the ACA. It was still a business with doctors pushing medicine on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies. I'm not saying it's better now, just that it has been broken for a long time. In your specific case that sucks.Last-12-Exit said:ACA caused us to switch prescription drug carriers and has made it much more difficult to get even the basic of procedures done because of some pharmacist thinking he can make more educated decisions over my doctor. Remember when health care was based on what was best for the patient? I do, it was before this law.
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I second that.It has some flaws but hearing some real stories of people who have been really helped makes it seem like most parts could be worked with.Godfather. said:
awesome news ! I really would like to see it work for those that need it.callen said:
Have a loved one that signed up and has insurance for first time. Payments reasonable and dr visits went great. And she's actually paying into the systemGodfather. said:health care is needed for sure but this obama care is a mess and devided between politions and the general plubic, why don't government officals want obama care for thier own familys ?
Godfather.
Another friends life probably saved cause he's getting care for his bladder cancer. He had blood in urine and would of just sucked it up till pain so bad too late and expensive ER visit.
Obama care gives me the option of leaving my employer and still get decent coverage even with preexisting conditions. Very liberating.
Obama care is a success.
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Was healthcare based on what was best for the patient back when pregnancy, cancer, diabetes, glaucoma, you name it, were considered preexisting conditions and didn't have to be covered at all?Last-12-Exit said:ACA caused us to switch prescription drug carriers and has made it much more difficult to get even the basic of procedures done because of some pharmacist thinking he can make more educated decisions over my doctor. Remember when health care was based on what was best for the patient? I do, it was before this law.
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I find it ironic or perhaps the height of hypocrisy that the mayor of North Charleston and the city council of a city in a heavily republican state decided to continue the health insurance coverage of their fired police officer, after he shot an unarmed black motorist in the back five times for fleeing because of a tail light being out, because his wife is 8 months pregnant. Where's the republican outrage?Last-12-Exit said:
What does this mean?Halifax2TheMax said:So, is StummeyCare or North Charleston Care as bad, worse or needs work? Should their city council vote 58 times to overturn it? Just wondering.
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I had a friend that I knew from when I was six months old. He woke up one morning in May pissing blood. Didn't have health insurance so he didn't go to the doctor as he was going through a divorce at the time and the soon to be ex was really sticking it to him with a restraining order, accusations of violating said restraining order, all the while living in his apartment in a three family house. By the time he saw a doctor in August of that same year, his bladder cancer was too aggressive to be treated. On July 16th of this year, it'll be ten years since he passed. I can only think what might be had the Clinton's health plan act or some version of it had been passed in 1993-1994. I'm sure others may do so as well.callen said:
Have a loved one that signed up and has insurance for first time. Payments reasonable and dr visits went great. And she's actually paying into the systemGodfather. said:health care is needed for sure but this obama care is a mess and devided between politions and the general plubic, why don't government officals want obama care for thier own familys ?
Godfather.
Another friends life probably saved cause he's getting care for his bladder cancer. He had blood in urine and would of just sucked it up till pain so bad too late and expensive ER visit.
Obama care gives me the option of leaving my employer and still get decent coverage even with preexisting conditions. Very liberating.
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Americans sure do like eating their young when it comes to healthcare.
Up here, sure we pay taxes up our wazoo but when it comes to receiving care of health the collective mindset is to help first and do not ever worry about financial status.
Sure our system has flaws because like anything that involves money status levels occur.
It is a benefit to us all up here to never have to weigh the option of going to the hospital/er/doctor whenever we want or paying bills.0 -
I would hope people wouldn't be angry about this. It certainly isn't the wife's fault. I haven't heard any of my republican co-worker complaining about this.Halifax2TheMax said:
I find it ironic or perhaps the height of hypocrisy that the mayor of North Charleston and the city council of a city in a heavily republican state decided to continue the health insurance coverage of their fired police officer, after he shot an unarmed black motorist in the back five times for fleeing because of a tail light being out, because his wife is 8 months pregnant. Where's the republican outrage?Last-12-Exit said:
What does this mean?Halifax2TheMax said:So, is StummeyCare or North Charleston Care as bad, worse or needs work? Should their city council vote 58 times to overturn it? Just wondering.
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I'm not angry about it, for the record. Just wondering where the republican outrage is.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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That's it. It needs refinement and happy for all to put in their input.WhatYouTaughtMe said:I lost my work benefits when I made the decision to go back to school and work less. The cost of my work sponsored plan had gone way up after the ACA which is a drawback. However, I have been able to get a more affordable plan through the market place. My brother is a diabetic in college and the ACA has eliminated hundreds of dollars a month in medical costs for him. It seems I've heard a number of good and bad things. Hopefully they can keep fine tuning it until it helps more people than it hurts.
And RR's frustration of him having to pay for his employees healthcare taking real PJ concert traveling money out if his pocket just reinforces thought that we should break tie between healthcare and employers.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
It should be separate, but not sure about the f-rr-ustration comment - he takes good care of his employees and knowing what I know of him, guessing if he made that comment somewhere, it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.callen said:
That's it. It needs refinement and happy for all to put in their input.WhatYouTaughtMe said:I lost my work benefits when I made the decision to go back to school and work less. The cost of my work sponsored plan had gone way up after the ACA which is a drawback. However, I have been able to get a more affordable plan through the market place. My brother is a diabetic in college and the ACA has eliminated hundreds of dollars a month in medical costs for him. It seems I've heard a number of good and bad things. Hopefully they can keep fine tuning it until it helps more people than it hurts.
And RR's frustration of him having to pay for his employees healthcare taking real PJ concert traveling money out if his pocket just reinforces thought that we should break tie between healthcare and employers.
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I thought part of the ACA was that big pharma had to stop spending money on advertising and spend it on r&d instead? I still see fucking pill commercials out the ass!Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250
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Oh how you mis read what I said cal.I have paid my employees insurance for over decade.100%. I do it because I want the best for my people.I also pay them extremely well way over my industry standards and give them Benny's out the ass.callen said:
That's it. It needs refinement and happy for all to put in their input.WhatYouTaughtMe said:I lost my work benefits when I made the decision to go back to school and work less. The cost of my work sponsored plan had gone way up after the ACA which is a drawback. However, I have been able to get a more affordable plan through the market place. My brother is a diabetic in college and the ACA has eliminated hundreds of dollars a month in medical costs for him. It seems I've heard a number of good and bad things. Hopefully they can keep fine tuning it until it helps more people than it hurts.
And RR's frustration of him having to pay for his employees healthcare taking real PJ concert traveling money out if his pocket just reinforces thought that we should break tie between healthcare and employers.
Spending my tour $ on the well being of those who give so much for me is a no brainer.And I have always advocated for taking care of those that take care of you.ai also pay most sick days of my employees.But my Wife and I make that decision.My point is I don't need the govt mandating it.If I have an employee who is not working hard,fucking off,coming in late a lot and leaving early.Then no sick day pay.that simple.
You want to seperate the employer/employee insurance deal.Fine.Whats your solution.0 -
Thx Hedo.I Don't think I've ever said anything to the contrary.i know Im a smart ass,but I thought I've always been clear on where I stand.
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rr165892 said:
Oh how you mis read what I said cal.I have paid my employees insurance for over decade.100%. I do it because I want the best for my people.I also pay them extremely well way over my industry standards and give them Benny's out the ass.callen said:
That's it. It needs refinement and happy for all to put in their input.WhatYouTaughtMe said:I lost my work benefits when I made the decision to go back to school and work less. The cost of my work sponsored plan had gone way up after the ACA which is a drawback. However, I have been able to get a more affordable plan through the market place. My brother is a diabetic in college and the ACA has eliminated hundreds of dollars a month in medical costs for him. It seems I've heard a number of good and bad things. Hopefully they can keep fine tuning it until it helps more people than it hurts.
And RR's frustration of him having to pay for his employees healthcare taking real PJ concert traveling money out if his pocket just reinforces thought that we should break tie between healthcare and employers.
Spending my tour $ on the well being of those who give so much for me is a no brainer.And I have always advocated for taking care of those that take care of you.ai also pay most sick days of my employees.But my Wife and I make that decision.My point is I don't need the govt mandating it.If I have an employee who is not working hard,fucking off,coming in late a lot and leaving early.Then no sick day pay.that simple.
You want to seperate the employer/employee insurance deal.Fine.Whats your solution.
You're a good man RR.
Too bad you are in the minority, otherwise we wouldn't need legislation to keep shitty employers in-line.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
I had a friend that I knew from when I was six months old. He woke up one morning in May pissing blood. Didn't have health insurance so he didn't go to the doctor as he was going through a divorce at the time and the soon to be ex was really sticking it to him with a restraining order, accusations of violating said restraining order, all the while living in his apartment in a three family house. By the time he saw a doctor in August of that same year, his bladder cancer was too aggressive to be treated. On July 16th of this year, it'll be ten years since he passed. I can only think what might be had the Clinton's health plan act or some version of it had been passed in 1993-1994. I'm sure others may do so as well.callen said:
Have a loved one that signed up and has insurance for first time. Payments reasonable and dr visits went great. And she's actually paying into the systemGodfather. said:health care is needed for sure but this obama care is a mess and devided between politions and the general plubic, why don't government officals want obama care for thier own familys ?
Godfather.
Another friends life probably saved cause he's getting care for his bladder cancer. He had blood in urine and would of just sucked it up till pain so bad too late and expensive ER visit.
Obama care gives me the option of leaving my employer and still get decent coverage even with preexisting conditions. Very liberating.
Obama care is a success.
Not sure how this came out wrong. was attempting to simply say if healthcare wasn't tied to employers you'd have more bucks to see PJ. Maybe it was the word "frustration" that I added for impact that may not actually be the case. Humor fail.rr165892 said:
Oh how you mis read what I said cal.I have paid my employees insurance for over decade.100%. I do it because I want the best for my people.I also pay them extremely well way over my industry standards and give them Benny's out the ass.callen said:
That's it. It needs refinement and happy for all to put in their input.WhatYouTaughtMe said:I lost my work benefits when I made the decision to go back to school and work less. The cost of my work sponsored plan had gone way up after the ACA which is a drawback. However, I have been able to get a more affordable plan through the market place. My brother is a diabetic in college and the ACA has eliminated hundreds of dollars a month in medical costs for him. It seems I've heard a number of good and bad things. Hopefully they can keep fine tuning it until it helps more people than it hurts.
And RR's frustration of him having to pay for his employees healthcare taking real PJ concert traveling money out if his pocket just reinforces thought that we should break tie between healthcare and employers.
Spending my tour $ on the well being of those who give so much for me is a no brainer.And I have always advocated for taking care of those that take care of you.ai also pay most sick days of my employees.But my Wife and I make that decision.My point is I don't need the govt mandating it.If I have an employee who is not working hard,fucking off,coming in late a lot and leaving early.Then no sick day pay.that simple.
You want to seperate the employer/employee insurance deal.Fine.Whats your solution.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
All good dude.Now go take Your car out for a spin and enjoy your weekend.callen said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I had a friend that I knew from when I was six months old. He woke up one morning in May pissing blood. Didn't have health insurance so he didn't go to the doctor as he was going through a divorce at the time and the soon to be ex was really sticking it to him with a restraining order, accusations of violating said restraining order, all the while living in his apartment in a three family house. By the time he saw a doctor in August of that same year, his bladder cancer was too aggressive to be treated. On July 16th of this year, it'll be ten years since he passed. I can only think what might be had the Clinton's health plan act or some version of it had been passed in 1993-1994. I'm sure others may do so as well.callen said:
Have a loved one that signed up and has insurance for first time. Payments reasonable and dr visits went great. And she's actually paying into the systemGodfather. said:health care is needed for sure but this obama care is a mess and devided between politions and the general plubic, why don't government officals want obama care for thier own familys ?
Godfather.
Another friends life probably saved cause he's getting care for his bladder cancer. He had blood in urine and would of just sucked it up till pain so bad too late and expensive ER visit.
Obama care gives me the option of leaving my employer and still get decent coverage even with preexisting conditions. Very liberating.
Obama care is a success.
Not sure how this came out wrong. was attempting to simply say if healthcare wasn't tied to employers you'd have more bucks to see PJ. Maybe it was the word "frustration" that I added for impact that may not actually be the case. Humor fail.rr165892 said:
Oh how you mis read what I said cal.I have paid my employees insurance for over decade.100%. I do it because I want the best for my people.I also pay them extremely well way over my industry standards and give them Benny's out the ass.callen said:
That's it. It needs refinement and happy for all to put in their input.WhatYouTaughtMe said:I lost my work benefits when I made the decision to go back to school and work less. The cost of my work sponsored plan had gone way up after the ACA which is a drawback. However, I have been able to get a more affordable plan through the market place. My brother is a diabetic in college and the ACA has eliminated hundreds of dollars a month in medical costs for him. It seems I've heard a number of good and bad things. Hopefully they can keep fine tuning it until it helps more people than it hurts.
And RR's frustration of him having to pay for his employees healthcare taking real PJ concert traveling money out if his pocket just reinforces thought that we should break tie between healthcare and employers.
Spending my tour $ on the well being of those who give so much for me is a no brainer.And I have always advocated for taking care of those that take care of you.ai also pay most sick days of my employees.But my Wife and I make that decision.My point is I don't need the govt mandating it.If I have an employee who is not working hard,fucking off,coming in late a lot and leaving early.Then no sick day pay.that simple.
You want to seperate the employer/employee insurance deal.Fine.Whats your solution.Post edited by rr165892 on0 -
no...the insurance companies have to spend 80% of their expenses on health care....pharmaceutical companies aren't insurance companiesHesCalledDyer said:I thought part of the ACA was that big pharma had to stop spending money on advertising and spend it on r&d instead? I still see fucking pill commercials out the ass!
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She needs to pull herself up by her bootstraps and get a job. Can't have a freeloading society full of Leeches.Last-12-Exit said:
I would hope people wouldn't be angry about this. It certainly isn't the wife's fault. I haven't heard any of my republican co-worker complaining about this.Halifax2TheMax said:
I find it ironic or perhaps the height of hypocrisy that the mayor of North Charleston and the city council of a city in a heavily republican state decided to continue the health insurance coverage of their fired police officer, after he shot an unarmed black motorist in the back five times for fleeing because of a tail light being out, because his wife is 8 months pregnant. Where's the republican outrage?Last-12-Exit said:
What does this mean?Halifax2TheMax said:So, is StummeyCare or North Charleston Care as bad, worse or needs work? Should their city council vote 58 times to overturn it? Just wondering.
Just think if a teacher got charged for murder and their family continued to get benefits. The outrage!0
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